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sofiakenny
27 Jul 21 17:49
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how the feck should I lose money if it never ran?
Pause Switch to Standard View I backed winner(original) in 5.10
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Report tips July 27, 2021 6:50 PM BST
very good point
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 27, 2021 6:53 PM BST
They should void the race. The game is becoming farcical.
Report dave1357 July 27, 2021 6:54 PM BST
def demand a return of stake.
Report MillionaireMaker July 27, 2021 6:55 PM BST
Same had 25 on at 5.9

They've taken the winnings and the stake back out my account.

That can't be right surely.

What about everyone who backed it at 1.01 IR and I'm assuming layed the 2nd at 1000??
Report sofiakenny July 27, 2021 6:56 PM BST
I also layed the eventual 2nd in first 2 market...so if the wrong hoss was in race surely the odds would have been different?
Report dave1357 July 27, 2021 6:57 PM BST
yeah the entire market corrupted and should be voided
Report dave1357 July 27, 2021 6:59 PM BST
They void dog race bets if there is a non-runner because the race will be run differently and this should be the same.
Report elisjohn July 27, 2021 7:00 PM BST
this should be voided
Report hulk23 July 27, 2021 7:07 PM BST
if you laid the, now, winner why should you pay out.  if the correct horse had been running against it, it might still have lost. might have lost by even more.
Report sparrow July 27, 2021 7:09 PM BST
Never known anything like this before.
Report swiftynifty July 27, 2021 7:13 PM BST
sparrow it happened in 2018

https://www.racingpost.com/news/yarmouth-shambles-as-wrong-horse-wins-juvenile-race-at-50-1/294547
Report kjansch July 27, 2021 7:15 PM BST
the McBride horse was remained as winner because it weighed in

this is the point that needs to be asked of Betfair - considering they cannot even call a photo finish in ireland -
how do they know if the fptp was not called as winner (weighed in)
Report sparrow July 27, 2021 7:16 PM BST
Yes swifty, of course I remember it now.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 27, 2021 7:19 PM BST
This looks like they've disqualified a non-runner.
Report swiftynifty July 27, 2021 7:20 PM BST
kjansch, At first there was confusion on track as Harrington was called to the stewards' room over the racecourse PA, quickly followed by the announcement of an inquiry into the result. It is understood that no winner-alright was called.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 27, 2021 7:21 PM BST
non-runner in effect, not officially
Report swiftynifty July 27, 2021 7:22 PM BST
It is disgraceful that as this has occurred before bookmakers have not got a concrete rule in place for such occurences. Betting by law stipulates if you can't win you can't lose, and you could never possibly have won backing that horse.
Report kjansch July 27, 2021 7:22 PM BST
thanks - amazing they scan it after the race but not before
Report swiftynifty July 27, 2021 7:27 PM BST
Harrington told the Racing Post: "We ran the wrong horse. They are two bay fillies that look exactly the same. One has a tiny little bit of white on the back of her hind coronary band but they are the same size and very similar.

You send 2 almost identical horses to the races on the same day and don't think it sensible to mark them up or put a necklace or whatever on them before they set off. She deserves a large fine.
Report carrot1960 July 27, 2021 7:30 PM BST
Any horse listed when the relevant market is loaded which does not subsequently come under starter's orders is deemed to be a non-runner.
Report onlooker July 27, 2021 7:32 PM BST
Tue 27th Jul 2021, 18:14


After a stewards' enquiry, Jessica Harrington's winner Alizarine has been disqualified from race two in Galway under Rule 262(iv)c as the horse could not be positively identified post race.

The result now reads:

1st Twinkle (5/4f)

2nd Radiyka (6/4)

3rd Past Time (14/1)

Following on from this, Alizarine's stablemate Aurora Princess has been withdrawn, by order of the stewards, from race five on the card.

IHRB Communications Manager Niall Cronin gave the following statement:

“All horses are checked on arrival. Alizarine is in Galway, she arrived here with the rest of Mrs Harrington's runners, Aurora Princess also being one of them.

“Mrs Harrington didn't saddle the runners for that race herself but subsequently has accepted full responsibility for what has happened.

“In the enquiry itself she expressed the similarity between the two fillies. I think she referred to them as being almost identical, she may have even said that they were like twins.

“When the winner of race two arrived back to be checked again by the IHRB officials, prior to the winner alright being announced, the filly could not be positively identified.

“Further examination by the IHRB veterinary officer confirmed that the filly was indeed Aurora Princess so an objective was lodged by the veterinary officer.

“The stewards enquired into the matter and Mrs Harrington accepted that the wrong filly had run. She held her hands up and accepted full responsibility.

“The stewards, using their power under 262 (iv) c, disqualified Alizarine.

“It's an unfortunate incident. Because of the time restraints on a raceday the matter has been referred on to allow for a full investigation.”
Report carrot1960 July 27, 2021 7:39 PM BST
Non runners Button Up Holly (coughing), Livia Celeste (change in going ) Stewards Enquiry - Winner disqualified as could not be positively identified post race


Strange how they can identify a horse at the slaughter house but not at the race track despite  them supposed to have a lip tattoo and a microchip
Report workrider July 27, 2021 7:54 PM BST
I really feel for those who lost money on the race, I think its shameful that the race was not voided . As has already been said how could you possibly win if the wrong horse ran. You were backing a horse you  believed was the one it said on the race card and in the racing papers . What this does is leave it open to it happening again , a terrible decision by all concerned...So can we believe that the horse the trainer sends to the races is really that horse, I think not...
Report doorman99 July 27, 2021 7:55 PM BST
Checked on arrival he said so her staff obviously mied them up at the stable yard after that.
Report onlooker July 27, 2021 8:04 PM BST
Cannot comprehend this ... or rather - cannot comprehend the LACK of OFFICIAL LOGICAL Interpretation.

NO Need to VOID the race.

If the FPTP 'Winner' was the Wrong Horse ... Then just deem it a NON-RUNNER - SAME as - 'WITHDRAWN by Order of the Stewards'  ---  and apply Rule 4 to All Bets.
Report workrider July 27, 2021 8:06 PM BST
Fair point Onlooker...
Report freddiewilliams July 27, 2021 8:12 PM BST
Was inrun voided
Report hulk23 July 27, 2021 8:12 PM BST
but it wasn't a non-runner, it ran & that changes the whole complexion of the race.
Report sofiakenny July 27, 2021 8:13 PM BST
hulk..original winner did NOT run.hth.
Report sofiakenny July 27, 2021 8:14 PM BST
an imposter took its place.
Report brassneck July 27, 2021 8:17 PM BST
how can a horse be disqualified if it did not run,so whats the name of the horse that was disqualified,and what was he doing in the race.its a 100% void race,and that does not mean money back,because gambling companies and bookmakers will make their own rules.but racing rules will show a void race.
Report brassneck July 27, 2021 8:35 PM BST
holy god do you guys not know the racing rules,and don't quote me 262(iv)c.every horse gets its chip scanned when it enters the parade ring.
Report longbridge July 27, 2021 8:41 PM BST
@swiftynifty

"Betting by law stipulates if you can't win you can't lose"

What law are you thinking of? 

The UK Gambling Act specifically provides that a bet is a bet even if one of the parties to that bet already knows the result - when one of the parties clearly cannot win, but will lose.

(But on the main thrust of this thread, how is running the wrong horse any different to running the right horse with the wrong weight, which happens far more often and the DQ'd horse will then be settled as a loser, despite the same backing @ 1.01 and laying of the second @ 1000 as referenced above?)

This is one time you'd be better off backing on the Sportsbook (they paid out on both horses).
Report hulk23 July 27, 2021 8:45 PM BST
everyone on here's limited to joob joob's on the Sportsbook longy ... Wink
Report casemoney July 27, 2021 8:50 PM BST
Few quid slung to the scanner bloke fook knows whats running over there Laugh Lets hope these things hurtling around Chelts are fully Scanned Laugh
Report carrot1960 July 27, 2021 8:54 PM BST
How can you not identify the horse after the race was run which is what the stewards said , if the horse that was to have run is still in its horse box with it's chip waiting to be scanned.
Report carrot1960 July 27, 2021 8:56 PM BST
207B COLM QUINN BMW Irish EBF (Fillies) M'dn
Following the running of this race, the Stewards met to consider an objection by the IHRB Veterinary Officer Ms Nicola O'Connor under Rule 262(iv)(c) into the identity of the winner Alizarine (GB), trained by Mrs John Harrington. Ms O'Connor stated that the winner's microchip number was read by Brendan Daly, IHRB Security Officer, before the animal departed the winners enclosure. She was informed by Mr Daly that he was unable to establish the identity of the animal based on the reading on his scanner. Ms O'Connor subsequently carried out an identity check on the filly presented to the sampling unit as Alizarine (GB) and found that the microchip number on her e-scanner did not correspond to that of Alizarine(GB). Ms O'Connor identified the microchip number as being that of Aurora Princess, a runner in the fifth race, also trained by Mrs John Harrington. Ms O'Connor confirmed that all runners today were identified with an e-scanner on their arrival at the racecourse. She confirmed that Alizarine (GB) was identified in her stable when this error was established and had not run in the second race. Ms O'Connor informed the Stewards that the identity of both horses were confirmed in the presence of Mr Niall Amond, head travelling man and Authorised representative for the trainer. In her evidence, Mrs John Harrington accepted the full facts as given by the IHRB Veterinary Officer and informed the Stewards that Mr Amond had acted in her absence as she had only arrived in the parade ring prior to this race. She accepted full responsibility for the error and advised the Stewards that both Alizarine (GB) and Aurora Princess were bay fillies with very similar markings. Having considered all the evidence, the Stewards upheld the objection. As the horse Alizarine (GB) did not run in this race, that horse was deemed to be unplaced under Rule 266 and the horse purported to be Alizarine (GB) was disqualified. The amended result now reads;

First; Twinkle

Second; Radiyka

Third; Past Time (GB)

Fourth; Buenaventura

Fifth; Elizabeth's Pride

Sixth; Cheeky Peek
Report Wesdag July 27, 2021 9:18 PM BST
Utterly farcical.

Bets should've been voided.
Report onlooker July 27, 2021 9:30 PM BST
The presented outcome cannot be correct
Report onlooker July 27, 2021 9:31 PM BST
" As the horse Alizarine (GB) did not run in this race, that horse was deemed to be unplaced "
-------------------

Just HOW - Can a horse that - "did not run in this race[b]" - be "[b]unplaced"... When it was still STOOD in it's STABLE

IMPOSSIBLE.


These highly ILLOGICAL Paddies - are Digging a right 'effing Hole for themselves- here.
Report themightymac July 27, 2021 9:48 PM BST
Should be NR and a Rule 4 as suggested. It`s the only logical settlement.

How can it happen though is a mystery. Total incompetence.
Report dave1357 July 27, 2021 10:00 PM BST
longbridge • July 27, 2021 8:41 PM BST

This is one time you'd be better off backing on the Sportsbook (they paid out on both horses).

No they didn't, they simply gave some money to some of their customers.  The fptp wasn't entered in the race.


This is the only rule that remotely deals with the situation - it has void all over it.

If a runner is not included in a market because of an error or because of incorrect information regarding a runner’s participation, Betfair reserve the right to introduce the missing runner into the market at any time prior to settlement (even after the race has been run), provided that Betfair has determined that the missing runner is not a material runner (i.e. a selection with a reduction factor of approx. 2.5% or less in the win market). In such circumstances, all pre-play unmatched and matched bets will stand, however if the runner is not introduced before the start of the race, all in-play bets will be void. However, if the missing runner is deemed to be a material runner, then the malformed market will be void and a new market will be loaded where possible.
Report brassneck July 27, 2021 11:12 PM BST
Horses must be declared /supplemented /or reserves/to be allowed to run in a horse race,race is void if horse runs that is not D.S.or R.
Report punchestown July 28, 2021 6:09 AM BST
Must be treated as a N/R,no other logical solution applies here other than this place suiting themselves.
Report stu July 28, 2021 10:34 AM BST
I didn't play in this (farce) race at all - so totally objective view.

In such an obvious mistake, and potential to affect the race obviously, then bets should be voided.

Not like it happens often is it - so a clear case to void.
Report stu July 28, 2021 10:35 AM BST
Did anyone lose big on this one? I'd be considering legal route if so.
Report cobra sam July 28, 2021 10:59 AM BST
looks like a genuine mistake it has happened before....keeping the cash on a horse that never ran seems wrong tho...surely the intended runner a non runner and a rule 4....logical to me
Report sofiakenny July 28, 2021 11:32 AM BST
How the f can a horse be disqualified and placed last if it never set foot on the course?
Report cobra sam July 28, 2021 11:36 AM BST
yep its bollox..the only people who lose out are the punters
Report cobra sam July 28, 2021 11:36 AM BST
yep its bollox..the only people who lose out are the punters
Report workrider July 28, 2021 2:53 PM BST
These highly ILLOGICAL Paddies - are Digging a right 'effing Hole for themselves- here. No need for this silly Children's talk Onlooker.
It shows you up for the Racist that you try to hide .
Report stu July 28, 2021 2:56 PM BST
TBF who would of guessed it would be those disorganised filth race purveyors over there, where this would happen ay workrider? Mischief
Report brians July 28, 2021 3:01 PM BST
Objectively at a distance it seems easy to me. The disqualified horse is a non runner , as it wasnt that horse . Aquilene is a non runner because it was sat in its stable …and did not run !
Rest of the horses ran and so the race is not void. Only exception would be if the ringer brought down other horses or really spoiled their chances . I don't think that happened. So money back on the horse that didn't run Aquilene . Thats what non runner means !!
Report stu July 28, 2021 3:03 PM BST
brians, I'd say the horse running (that shouldn't have been there) can't be said not to have affected the race, so therefore should be voided - the declared runners must be only ones that run in every race, surely?
Report elisjohn July 28, 2021 3:17 PM BST
not one word on itv racing so far out of about 15 presenters
Report workrider July 28, 2021 3:18 PM BST
Stu, can you expand a bit please not sure what you mean exactly..
Report stu July 28, 2021 3:21 PM BST
I trust irish racing as far as I could throw (a fit and healthy) John McCririck - that's what I mean.

So not a surprise to me it happened over at that rabble.
Report brians July 28, 2021 3:21 PM BST
Stu , I can see your point, but its a bit like the offside rule. Didn't Shankly say that if youre not interfering with play you should not be on the pitch. He was right,…but its the rule.
Lots of things can affect a race , weather, dogs on a course, a bad starter, etc but I reckon if none of the others were affected significantly the result would have been the same. We can agree todiffer. Respect. Brian S.
Report stu July 28, 2021 3:23 PM BST
brians, fair enough, though how we could say a great beast in among the race doesn't matter, I'd question that TBH.
Report workrider July 28, 2021 3:24 PM BST
Oh I see , so the fact it has happened in Britain as well makes the British rabble as well, delighted we agree on that mate...
Report stu July 28, 2021 3:27 PM BST
If it happened in a UK race, that's just as bad of course. I still trust Irish racing not a jot, and think they're a disorganised rabble who purvey bent races.
Report workrider July 28, 2021 3:35 PM BST
stu, I think that is the World wide opinion of British racing only some are to frightened to say it , but I try and keep an open mind..
Report stu July 28, 2021 3:41 PM BST
I agree there are bent races/rides all over the world and in UK, just I think there are more of them in Irish races personally - and that's from about 3 decades of following it all.
Report onlooker July 28, 2021 3:46 PM BST
workrider - Stop being so defensively Jingoistic with ...


That 'straight of of UNI'/'new person type thinking' choice of Phrase does NOT suit someone of your age ... and you know it.

How can calling somebody - "Paddies" - be deemed to be - "Racist"  ... FFS !

After all - Most Irishmen laugh at Paddy and Murphy jokes - much more than other people do - and ENJOY them, too.


A weak shallow and Pathetic Paddy response by you ... I have to say ...

Especially in view of the undoubted 'Paddies' MUDDLED thinking in this instance.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 28, 2021 3:51 PM BST
The non runner was well backed

Will be interesting to see if that
was confidence in actual horse
or if somebody knew about the,
err accidental, mix up.

Rules of racing should be ammended
so punters don't get robbed again
by horses carrying wrong weight
and wrong horses running... Unlikely
of course.

I backed third, now 2nd.
Report workrider July 28, 2021 4:01 PM BST
The Aussies have the right therm for the likes of yourself..Whinging Pommies...Laugh
Report elisjohn July 28, 2021 4:57 PM BST
i had a pony at 10.5, just didnt fancy the actual winner and thought might be a bit of value, will always now put a 1.05 up
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