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hulk23
17 Jul 21 18:39
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get some hits on Youtube though ... Shocked
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Report shoodacoodadidnt July 18, 2021 1:45 PM BST
agree completely monk .... all about opinions - no truth
Report the dealer July 18, 2021 1:46 PM BST
Never heard of passive aggressive nonsense but take your point
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 1:47 PM BST
good luck.
no offence
Report the dealer July 18, 2021 1:51 PM BST
Just to be clear though I didn't say he was a kid and made a mistake, I said it was human error, I don't think age has anything to do with it,
Report Greg_Gory July 18, 2021 1:53 PM BST
Why would you start riding again near the finish if you think you already won.Unless the Jock passing you shouts HOI Winning lines up here Laugh
Or you have it in your mind to do that before the off Shocked
Didnt back it myself so dont give a sh1t really Silly
Report the dealer July 18, 2021 1:55 PM BST
I would imagine quite simply he saw the winning post and realised his mistake
Report Schraderbrau July 18, 2021 1:59 PM BST
In the same race, the fav (Montather) apparently runs too free and finishes last 8 lengths back. Not a lot of questioning on that s**t show. I would have been annoyed/angry at Crehan for that bad mistake but at least I know it was just a human error. Montather would leave me scratching my head though and very annoyed.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:16 PM BST
People know O'Neill isn't all that so the horse not settling is ho-hum
You can't know the kid's mistake is human error.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:17 PM BST
Anyway, I'm out
I'll take my cynical old head off to the dinner table.
Be lucky all Grin
Report Schraderbrau July 18, 2021 2:22 PM BST

Jul 18, 2021 -- 8:16AM, Jumping-cuckoo-monk wrote:


People know O'Neill isn't all that so the horse not settling is ho-humYou can't know the kid's mistake is human error.


but is it bad horsemanship from O'Neill or more sinister than that. You can't know that his ride is purely 'human error'.

Report Schraderbrau July 18, 2021 2:24 PM BST
btw not saying there was an error from O'Neill, just making the comparison.
Report s.kenbo July 18, 2021 2:24 PM BST
It was a big fook up, nothing more. Those who lost money are extremely unlucky. Those that think it was intended are absolutely fooking bonkers.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:27 PM BST
Another one who doesn't know.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:29 PM BST
The horse was pulling like stink wasn't he?
Unless the jockey was using a cattle prod, I think we can put it down to the jockey not having "lovely hands".
Can never rule out the cattle prod though Grin
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:31 PM BST
Adding this thread to favourites to resurrect, when the tell all book comes out.Wink
Report s.kenbo July 18, 2021 2:42 PM BST
Some things are blindingly obvious. There isn’t always a conspiracy when something goes wrong.

It’s 1.01 you backed it considering how much you are protesting. Most other people who backed it are saying to themselves ‘that is just my luck’ and they have moved on. Not you though, the jockey took a bung to rob you of your hard earned.
Report harry callaghan July 18, 2021 2:45 PM BST
s.kenbo 18 Jul 21 13:24 Joined: 05 Aug 12 | Topic/replies: 18,998 | Blogger: s.kenbo's blog
It was a big fook up, nothing more. Those who lost money are extremely unlucky. Those that think it was intended are absolutely fooking bonkers.


So it can’t be bent thank goodness for that.

He rides in the 2 previous races with a 50 metre advertising hoarding telling him where the winning post is,

yet half hour later he eases his mount 100 yards from the advertising hoarding which signals the winning line and says it’s the half furlong marker that confused him and we’ve got to swallow it.

I mean people are pulling people up for wild accusations and how can we possibly think it was an easy to make to make, when the facts we are confronted with stink.

We must be fecking bonkers to have to listen to it tbh…thank feck were not in court, we’d see who was bonkers then.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:47 PM BST
Nope. Again thinking you know is not knowing. Made a profit.
I really can't be ar$ed with this any more.
My point is anyone who asks questions shouldn't be abused for doing so
What basis are you saying it is human error
Do you know the kid?
Do you know his circumstances?
Probability says he is innocent, I agree.
But questions must be asked
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:47 PM BST
Nope. Again thinking you know is not knowing. Made a profit.
I really can't be ar$ed with this any more.
My point is anyone who asks questions shouldn't be abused for doing so
What basis are you saying it is human error
Do you know the kid?
Do you know his circumstances?
Probability says he is innocent, I agree.
But questions must be asked
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:48 PM BST
To kenbo ^^
Report elise July 18, 2021 2:50 PM BST
some people ask questions but only want to hear the answer they already have in their head
Report s.kenbo July 18, 2021 2:51 PM BST
I can’t believe I lose money on here when I see some of the opinions of the posters. The shrewdies must not come on here!
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:51 PM BST
some people are so dumb they can't admit the basic premise of my argument is without doubt correct
do you judge people on appearances too?
Report elise July 18, 2021 2:52 PM BST
why are you ugly?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:53 PM BST
What part of my opinion do you disagree with Kenbo?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:55 PM BST
What basis have elise/kenbo decided this was human error?
Do tell
You seem so convinced
Is it emotion?
Report the dealer July 18, 2021 2:55 PM BST
Jumping stop the passive aggressive nonsense
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:56 PM BST
I'm not ugly elise.
You couldn't afford me anyway
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:56 PM BST
lol, dealer, you don't know what it means. you said so earlier.
Report s.kenbo July 18, 2021 2:57 PM BST
We all play the odds on here, Jumping. The obvious odds tell me it was a fook up. For some reason you disagree.
Report Greg_Gory July 18, 2021 2:57 PM BST
Could one of the jockeys in behind not tell him to keep riding Shocked 5k difference and save him what could of been a   big ban Shocked some friends they are Laugh
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 2:58 PM BST
maybe that's why you lose Kenbo
Revisit your approach to odds? Grin

just kidding.
it's a fluffy world out there. enjoy it
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:02 PM BST
stewards investigated, deemed he's mistook the winning line & stopped riding, you seem to think otherwise so actually the person who should be explaining what they are going to do about it is you surely?
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:03 PM BST
tell me in the real world what you have done or intend to do other than throw accusations on a forum?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:11 PM BST
I'll respond later.
Missing too much racing
Report posy July 18, 2021 3:12 PM BST
Everyone agrees it's either a riding error or a deliberate action. I'd suggest 99% of racegoers would plump for it being an error and as we'll never know if the 1% are correct there's not much point continuing the debate. My view is it's a 100% error ;there are far less obvious ways to ensure a horse loses a race it should have won.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:13 PM BST
What accusations have I made elise? Be specific

Don't come aggressive with me. You won't win
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:14 PM BST
ive just seem max verstappen deliberately drive into a wall, must have a big lay on betfair
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:15 PM BST
you are questioning his actions which is against the stewards findings, instead of posing a question everytime it becomes difficult to answer why don't you post what you actually think rather than chucking snidey accusations?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:16 PM BST
You've deliberately missed my point.
I'm not going to repeat it.
Specify an accusation pls.
I'll wait for this.
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:16 PM BST
it's above, read it
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:17 PM BST
and the question ive asked is what are you doing about your concerns?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:19 PM BST
Quote the accusation.
Now
You made the claim, back it up
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:19 PM BST
so i'll take that as you've done nothing
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:21 PM BST
I'll take that as there is no accusation and you are lying
Quote me it or apologise
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 18, 2021 3:29 PM BST
I lost 60 pound on Crehans mistake and was gutted but these things happen. No way in my eyes was it intentional. An awful mistake and as a human as all humans we are not infallible. Ive made too many mistakes to mention but all we can do is learn from them which is what Mark Crehan will do.
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:38 PM BST
i agree with the stewards findings, you are the one with the questions about his personal situation/actions, i'm asking you what you've done about your concerns, so what have you done?
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:39 PM BST
just remind me why you use this account rather than your other one?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:46 PM BST
No no no noooooo Elise
Lets deal with you accusing me of making claims on here
Now stop backing yourself in a corner and quote me the claims you say I've made
Don't make yourself look a liar. Quote me

BTW I congratulated the stewards on imposing the max they could
So i agreed with their fine/decision

Now stop deflecting and find my "libellous" claim
I gather this is where you're going with this oh so clever tactic
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:48 PM BST
What other account
Is this another one of those instances where you "know" ive another account and know nothing because it is not correct?

You are tying yourself up in knots elise. Sad to see
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:50 PM BST
so if you're happy with the stewrads (as you post) we'll ignore your other posts asking questions and we can move on knowing that the lad made a mistake, glad you cleared that up
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:51 PM BST
what other account lol .... nice
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:53 PM BST
Jumping-cuckoo-monk

We don't know that it was error
Hoping it is so, doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked
There are exchanges now that influence results nowadays
We have absolutely no idea what circumstances the jockey is in. What causes people to do extraordinary things.

Well done the stewards.
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:55 PM BST
Jumping-cuckoo-monk

We don't know that it was error
Hoping it is so, doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked
There are exchanges now that influence results nowadays
We have absolutely no idea what circumstances the jockey is in. What causes people to do extraordinary things.
Well done the stewards.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:56 PM BST
No quote then elise?
No libellous remark to back up your lie?
Dear me.
Have some backbone man and apologise.

Bit of advice for you
Read what is said and not what you think is said
Save you a bit of trouble later on.

What's my other account?
Can only have 1 on here.
Ask live chat
You got another 1?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 3:57 PM BST
How is that an accusation elsie?
I'll wait
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:58 PM BST
ive posted your comments and just changed your highlighted sections, if you agree he made a mistake fine, if you'd like to insinuate otherwise feel free to tell me where you're going with it
Report elise July 18, 2021 3:59 PM BST
and if you go up and read, i called you snidey i'll stick with that, i've got a bbq to light
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 4:03 PM BST
That's not how this works
That is not an accusation
You've turned it into an "insinuation" which is still incorrect but backtracking  as is your wont.
I presented a hypothetical, to undermine the arrogance of the people who "know" it was an error
Deliberately missing the point is an old tactic.

What is my other username?
Have some spine to answer this at least.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 4:05 PM BST
So now I'm snidey
What a come down
You are a liar elise.
Don't do it again.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 4:06 PM BST
What is my other name btw?
Is this where you say it and so it must be true?
You "know" it
What a joker Laugh
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 18, 2021 4:07 PM BST
FFS.....lifes too short
Report Charlton2005 July 18, 2021 4:09 PM BST
the guys that tracked kaczinsky down texted me to say "lfc"
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 18, 2021 4:10 PM BST
lfc doesn't frequent horsey forum do he?
Report The Knight July 19, 2021 12:24 PM BST
shoodacoodadidnt18 Jul 21 09:06  (Love that user name BTW). Yes, you make a reasonable point. We do live in a society where cheating etc is more common than it was. But in this instance, surely he could have found a way to be less obvious?

However, taking your point overall. Although still tiny as a percentage of the whole, why are we going through a series of weigh-in problems the past eighteen months or so?

It greatly amuses me that so many are convinced that there has been a huge conspiracy against the masses, from the JFK killing through to the Moon Landings, Covid and now this jockey, but say almost nothing about the recent issues at the scales. Issues which take far more explaining than a young jockey making a clear balls-up. Lumps of lead do not disappear inside a matter of minutes using any science I know of!
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:12 PM BST
The kid was probably innocent
Don't drag up conspiracy nonsense to belittle the idea that blind acceptance should be compulsory when you are guessing no matter how much the odds are in your favour.
I question most things. And you don't decide whether I do or not.
You hinted at a conspiracy theory yourself there concerning loss of weight.
That doesn't seem to be amusing you greatly.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:15 PM BST
Btw, plenty comment on the loss of weight issues on the day with their thoughts on threads.
You seriously don't think these issues go unnoticed on here?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:16 PM BST
blind acceptance *shouldn't* be compulsory
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:20 PM BST
Issues in racing that undermine its credibility

1) jockeys taking wrong course
2) jockeys weighing in light
3) jockeys not weighing in at all
4) misaligned mirrors in use on photo-finishes
5) indiscernible photos due to poor light at 4 pm
6) inconsistent stewarding on similar infractions

^^^ all within very recent living memory

any otters?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:22 PM BST
7) jockeys riding finishes a circuit too early or easing up before finish line
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 1:42 PM BST
apologies @ knight for my somewhat overbearing tone
I think the crehan thing (non-event) was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back after events last month or so
Sad
Report DancingBraveTheBest July 19, 2021 1:53 PM BST
Jockeys going too fast in a race. Jockeys leading on hold up horses or holding up front runners....you see it all the time. Many ways not to win if you dont want to.
Report Gordon63 July 19, 2021 3:24 PM BST
not a great ride there either, in wrong position all the way up the straight
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 19, 2021 10:36 PM BST
i will reiterate what i said on the night this happened..anyone who thinks this was intentional needs sectioned.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 11:38 PM BST
You aint no doctor.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 19, 2021 11:43 PM BST
who?
Report smirnoff2therescue July 19, 2021 11:46 PM BST
it was a clear and honest mistake by the kid .....get ova it ffs

if he was intent in getting into wrongdoing in the race do you honestly think this was his greatest option for doing so

#givyaheedafookinsheikhmanCryCryCry

#wotsthematterwivpeopleonere
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 19, 2021 11:51 PM BST
Yeah you really don't need to give me any advice
My point was about something else originally but got lost in the accusations and misreads from other posters after
I can see how it could confuse you
Report smirnoff2therescue July 19, 2021 11:59 PM BST
tar - i read the thread 3 nights ago at the time and didnt get involved cos it was usual pocket talk as per the norm on ere - as for your stand on the situation you covered more bases than i care to remember but hey ho you hav kept the thread going for 3 days now so well played its clearly close to ya heart and we all really know why LoveLoveLove
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:00 AM BST
and trust me ..... i know all about passive aggressive WinkWinkLaughLaughBlushBlush
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:01 AM BST
i taught it for a living years ago PlainPlainPlain
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:06 AM BST
You are too blunt to be passive aggressive
No pocket talking here. Won £18 on race laying the easer-upper. So you know 0/1. Not a good strike rate

ExcitedBlushConfusedCoolCryDevilHappyLaughCrazyAngrySillyShockedSadPlainMischiefLoveExcitedHappyScaredSurprisedTongue OutWhoopsWink
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:08 AM BST
Anyway, I have ABSOLUTELY no idea why I'm arguing the toss over the issue.
Seem to have fallen out with plenty and I couldn't care less about Crehan!
Seriously, lol
Be lucky
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 20, 2021 12:09 AM BST
poast ya lay

tar
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:10 AM BST
I knew I'd gone too far when elise said he thought I was another poster
And when I realised who he meant, I knew I'd gone wayyyyyyyyyyyy too far!
Grin
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:11 AM BST
you hav to be blunt to get thru to thickheads jumping


im a stalwart of the forum going back many years and whilst im not always right i will always hope i hope im holding my hands up when im wrong - something you clearly aint capable of CrazyCrazyWinkWink


From wot i read of this thread i cant really think whether im being passive or aggressive ydc LaughLaughLaugh
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:18 AM BST
Thanks for your opinion on the kids motives.
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:21 AM BST
i gave them - he made a mistake - its that simple
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:23 AM BST
Its an opinion. This is what you don't get. It's that simple
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:25 AM BST
Anyway, who cares.
Goodnight
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:38 AM BST
you LaughLaughLaugh

see ya when the fog lifts bonny lad LoveLoveGrinGrin
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 20, 2021 12:39 AM BST
crehan get a ride from sir stoute..could be a springboard to great success..

tells his mates to lay 101 as he's going to chuck it.

edinburgh fringe stuff.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:45 AM BST
Opinions noted.

Where's the youtube links Smirnoff? No booze today? ConfusedGrin


Selection
Odds    Stake (£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/Loss (£)
Aerion Power    37.07    19.50    Lay   
17-Jul-21 19:38
19.50
*Average odds:  On  Off                   
Back subtotal:    0.00
Lay subtotal:    19.50
Market subtotal:    19.50
Commission @ 2%:    0.39
Net Market Total:    19.11

This really is goodnight.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 20, 2021 12:47 AM BST
so,you see him mistake the post and manage to win a score?

wonderful stuff.
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 12:48 AM BST
aye a hundred yards from line when 2 lgths clear when he cuda done a million otha things "wrong"to get it beat much earlier ffs giv me strength man CryCryCry
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:50 AM BST
I'm playing 2 secs behind live at doncaster aint I?
I posted that to show I wasn't pocket talking
I already said earlier in the thread that I won £18
You boys been out on the booze together?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 12:54 AM BST
If you read what I've posted instead of what you think I've posted i have said the kid made an error 99%
And said it many times on this thread
Jesus wept
Report smirnoff2therescue July 20, 2021 1:05 AM BST
passive......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGpsrOPurbY
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 20, 2021 1:25 AM BST
increase ya stakes imo.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 20, 2021 10:54 AM BST
I ought to get an award for getting a penny out of a horse that was clearly pulling up
in a market where I'm 1+half secs behind box players and droners!

And @ odds of 37 Shocked

You think I ought to up my lay stakes from £19.50?
What difference would that make? Only get given what is matched dunt we?
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