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aypee
17 Jul 21 14:04
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Used to love this sport, now its boring, presented by A holes, cant criticize anyone, dumb stewards, ran by money grabbing idiots, shocking races, all in it together "lets say we want outsiders" but they really dont as they people will see the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, why would anyone like this.
Time to say bye.
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Report acey deucy July 17, 2021 2:05 PM BST
So you have had s bad run...Still nothing like this game.
Report onlooker July 17, 2021 2:10 PM BST
His Forum namesake - A P - has retired ... so he is now knackered ...

- As are we ... having to listen to charisma less, "Sir Anthony," on the TV. Cry
Report acey deucy July 17, 2021 2:11 PM BST
I like A.P as a pundit.
Report pablo-fanque July 17, 2021 2:12 PM BST
presented by A holes

pretty sure his name is R hoiles
Report elisjohn July 17, 2021 2:25 PM BST
its going down the road of greyhound racing, only fans now that go racing esp saturday is the booze tripers, and with coolmore running more or less the whole field in todays group1 that no one cares about , aypee is correct
Report colonelflay July 17, 2021 2:26 PM BST
It's basically a racket that you either accept or reject. How many races are worth seriously betting in? Very few. So much play acting and nonsense.
Report shady69 July 17, 2021 3:11 PM BST
OP is correct, it is rubbish, I'm just in it for the money Cry
Report Life-Lucky July 17, 2021 3:19 PM BST
EVERYTHING is rubbish these days BUT there is still nothing like this game
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 3:31 PM BST
Irish Oaks sums up horse racing...

did we just see a top notch filly - YES.

was it an exciting 2 minutes - NO.

dull as ditch water if you ask me.
Report steerforth July 17, 2021 4:11 PM BST
I'm still hanging in there but only by tuning out of the endless diet of sprint handicaps and accepting that Group 1 racing as a spectacle has died. But is it still the game I fell in love with all those years ago? - No way.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 4:15 PM BST
'in running' was a huge opportunity for racing to secure it's future...

it should have been embraced and sold to the younger generation...

it wasn't.

and when in running eventually ends horse racing is in big trouble...

in my view.
Report ItsMeSwaddle July 17, 2021 4:21 PM BST
Dont think it has much to do with IR, its in big trouble.

Admission to midweek meetings will be a thing of the past.

Reckon we will see more seasonal tracks like the states, running plenty nights a week just for the media rights.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 4:22 PM BST
cant criticize anyone

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correct...

we are treated like buttoned up the back nodding dogs...

Ruby Walsh is just about the only person who will say something if he spots it...

and when you think how many presenters / pundits are on the telly that is an utterly hideous stat.
Report jumper3 July 17, 2021 4:38 PM BST
It's hard not to see it being marginalised even further, and yes pampering to media rights, in a similar fashion to what happened with the dog tracks. Bookmaker fodder, but courses and the wider sport will push the bigger meetings/saturdays with after show package even more. Racing for many has become just a day out experience where for many the actual racing is just a novelty.
Report stewarts rise July 17, 2021 5:10 PM BST
Did you find watching Frankel dull, happy hibby?
Or say Usain Bolt the 100m runner, if you're much better than your contemporary surely it's something to be applauded and wondered at.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:17 PM BST
i enjoyed Frankel winning the 2000 guineas stewarts...

after that it got a bit dull tho.

never watched Usain Bolt but i know Mr.Hunt is a big fan.



i enjoyed watching Manchester United when Keane / Beckham / Giggs / Scholes / Cole / Yorke were playing...

it was exciting to watch and you never knew what was going to happen next.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:21 PM BST
i enjoyed watching England win the cricket world cup a couple of years ago...

in fact i enjoyed it so much i bought a t-shirt to remember it by.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:22 PM BST
Newcastle United were good to watch when kevin keegan nearly won them the League...

i loved it in fact...

loved it.
Report stewarts rise July 17, 2021 5:22 PM BST
They'd usually score in Fergietime!Grin
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:23 PM BST
Hibs were good to watch for a season when Alex Mcleish was manager...

then it all went a bit pear-shaped.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:24 PM BST
correct stewarts...

as i say it was exciting to watch...

very rarely you watched a dull game.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:30 PM BST
if you want another racing one...

i really enjoyed Minster Son winning the St.Leger...

late 80's...

1988 maybe.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:32 PM BST
i really enjoyed watching jelena Ostapenko winning the French Open a few years ago.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 5:33 PM BST
Martin Kaymers putt for the miracle of Medina?
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:33 PM BST
i really enjoyed watching Emma Radukanu at wimbledon a couple of weeks ago...

it was exciting...

the crowd were brilliant...

it got my juices flowing.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:34 PM BST
was that the Ryder Cup james....?

i remember watching Europe win it over there and tbf that was exciting too...
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 5:35 PM BST
Aye. USA took an almighty lead but an inspired comeback led by Ian Poulter saw Europe clinch an unlikely victory, Kaymer getting the winning putt.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 5:36 PM BST
Man U v Bayern Munich in champions league final another cracker, as was Liverpool's comeback against milan from 3-0 down at ht
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:37 PM BST
i remember watching Bernhard langer doing well in some USA tournaments whilst i was watching late night on a Sunday...

that was exciting...
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 5:37 PM BST
Italy last week against England has to be right up there as well
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 5:37 PM BST
Plenty of moaning and groaning going on here, but I wonder if they are doing the same at the racecourses?
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:38 PM BST
both correct james.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:39 PM BST
i really enjoyed the test match at Cardiff when Monty Panesar helped save the Ashes Test match...

the game was drawn but the excitement was tremendous.

England went on to lift the Ashes.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:40 PM BST
Plenty of moaning and groaning going on here, but I wonder if they are doing the same at the racecourses?

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they're all legless i think.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 5:40 PM BST
Germany 7 Brazil 1 in world cup 2014

Dennis Taylor v Steve Davis 85 was it?  Black ball final frame decider
Report liberator of the oppressed July 17, 2021 5:42 PM BST
ITV/C4 don't help it is just painful to watch to the point where I can understand anybody wanting to pack up.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:42 PM BST
Taylor v Davis was exciting james...
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:44 PM BST
ITV/C4 don't help it is just painful to watch to the point where I can understand anybody wanting to pack up.

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correct...

watched it for 5 minutes once...

never again.

hideous stuff imv.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 5:45 PM BST
i really enjoyed watching the athletics in the 80's...

Coe / Ovett / Cram...

brilliant stuff.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 6:00 PM BST
i really enjoyed the darts when it was Jocky / Bristow and Lowe at the top...
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 6:19 PM BST
Nigel Benn v Chris Eubank......Bruno v Tyson....Holyfield v Tyson

Joshua V Fury if it happens be next big one
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 6:29 PM BST
i'm not really a big boxing fan james but i remember the Benn v Eubank fights...
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 6:32 PM BST
I will plump for Calzaghe v Lacy.
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 6:33 PM BST
Should of course of mentioned Lewis v Tyson.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 6:43 PM BST
what about dave boy green v sugar ray leonard...???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9N-KL_C8jA
Report SlippyBlue July 17, 2021 7:35 PM BST
"The Fen Tiger" H.H. He was a tough, brave fighter. He liked his racing also, I used to see him at Fakenham often when I lived that way. He's a really pleasant man to chat to.
Report HappyHibby July 17, 2021 7:41 PM BST
i remember him getting a bit of a hiding in one fight SB...

not sure if it was the Sugar Ray one or not tbh...
Report Tiger Tiger July 17, 2021 9:36 PM BST
Its people that become boring or 'long in the tooth', not horse racing. Horse racing is still, and always will be a great spectacle.
Report matso July 17, 2021 11:50 PM BST
IMO .. Racing as become a total Borefest ... and made even more so by the sycophantic racing media who will not utter a word of critism on any racing matter .
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 18, 2021 1:16 AM BST
scottish sumo champs 2021

stewyb v happyhibby
Report Tiger Tiger July 18, 2021 2:23 AM BST
Racing is as exciting as you win it to be, lose and we curse it, ffs, nothing changes.
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 8:36 AM BST
Racing is dead, a novelty.
There’s always something slapstick going on to make the thing look disingenuous, no wonder it’s dying on its arse.
The public just see daft named beasts that they can’t differentiate between and unapproachable rosy faced trainers that get financed somehow or stewards making the sport look inconsistent.

Nobody seems to have a clue how to stop the terminal decline that will probably finish with this generations death.
Report smartpunter July 18, 2021 8:58 AM BST
Stop REMINISCING, LETS LOOK FORWARD, "KING GEORGE" NEXT WEEKEND,LOVE,ADAYAR, PYLEDRIVER, SNOWFALL, HURRICANE LANE, MOST OF THEM MAY NOT RUN IN THE RACE BUT ALL CLASS HORSES TO LOOK FORWARD TO.IF YOU WANT TO REMINISCE "SIR TOM" YESTERDAY FIRST TWO WINNERS (CASH OUT) HUGE PROFIT.HE HAS GIVEN ONE WINNER DECENT  PRICE FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
Report elisjohn July 18, 2021 9:07 AM BST
i was mentioning this to a bloke in bookies yesterday  morning, only 2 of us , plus some kids  on casinos and one or two coming for soccer coupons, and i told him," horse racing betting will be dead after our generation of the around 50  year old plus go, its only us in the majority that imo regularly bet on the gee gees now, the new lot are on football betting and the casinos, the racecourses will only get the party goers wholl have a few quid on the runnersand wouldnt have a clue if the race was a 6furlong seller or the derby,  and people like me even now are getting fed up of it, a group1 yesterday in ireland a bloody classic , dont mind a 1/4 winner but the race was   contested by the same connections , might as well put them up on the gallops in ballydoyle.
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 9:12 AM BST
It’s ironic because horse racing shouldn’t be called a ‘sport’ as it is akin to a casino.
It’s unsustainable but for losing punters, any ‘sporting’ affiliation’ is limited, like the chance of turning a profit due to vested interests.

I read a piece in the economist I’ll look for it later, American racing is already being packed up wholesale, it has its marquee events but behind that it’s all being finished.
Report stu July 18, 2021 9:51 AM BST
Always has been a casino in reality, but was better dressed up as a real 'sport' in the past.

Do we really think those seas of punters in flat caps had any better chance at being winners than any punter today?
Report shoodacoodadidnt July 18, 2021 10:09 AM BST
Does someone have some stats that tell us racing is dying? Pre covid attendances at meetings for example? Has turnover on the exchange declined massively? Where's the evidence?
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 10:10 AM BST
There was less information available in the past.
Nowadays information is readily available and all sorts come to light.
Media rights weren’t really a thing back then, now they are central.
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 10:15 AM BST
Bookies have produced figures at regular intervals showing how little betting on racing contributes to the total revenue, and diminishing.
There will be the escapism aspect but I’d be interested to see what the actual gate figures are compared to the past, the racecourses often make county cricket look popular.
Report stu July 18, 2021 10:23 AM BST
Tricky to make current judgements, due to the covid effects on pretty much everything - I see little overall evidence that the decline is terminal though, no more than most 'sports' at least.

It's a little like claims 12-13 years ago on here that BF had a couple of years left - that worked out well as a prediction. I do think horse racing/markets will never get back to heady heights, but that's not quite the same as saying it is a terminal problem.
Report sparrow July 18, 2021 10:28 AM BST
I can even remember this forum writing off Henry Cecil during his lean period.
Report elisjohn July 18, 2021 11:02 AM BST
henry was the 2nd messiah and just like the 1st had  a  ressurrection Wink
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 11:30 AM BST
Yeah i must admit i had Henry dead and burried before Frankel came along.Laugh
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 11:31 AM BST
I don’t think you can compare decade long change to generational.
Much of matched amounts on here hide a multitude of sins. It’s about new money and the number of people willing to invest. Many of bf’s moves for eg can been seen as short termist, any revolution that empowered the individual has well and truly been squashed, so where does one take encouragement from that there’s anything of substance that creates incentive to bet on horse racing?
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 11:33 AM BST
Racing is a great sport but its not a way to make money ffs......Been in the game most of my life and i dont think i have met one person that makes money gambling on horses hth.
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 11:43 AM BST
Hello acey.
Now you have.

The major problem with racing is that it cannot help but look old fashioned, for the greatest will in the world, and I’m very sceptical over whether it’s influencers are even willing, they still couldn’t do very much with it to create appeal.
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 11:51 AM BST
I dont know you dusty but like i said i have never Met anybody that makes money gambling on Horses.
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 11:52 AM BST
And i worked in Racing for 30 plus Years.
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 11:53 AM BST
And i have been involved in a few stable gambles most of them get beat.
Report dustybin July 18, 2021 12:00 PM BST
I don’t disagree with your general sentiment. I could count on one hand the number of horse racing bets I had before 2001 and the discovery of the exchange, and still have about 3 fingers to spare.
But to suggest you can’t make money on horse racing is somewhat undermined by the existence of HR-Premium Charge.

It’s as amusing as it is tragic that the very people who seem to care about racing are the ones who it feeds off, almost like Stockholm Syndrome.
Me and many like me will stop betting on horses if and when the first of two events occur; horse racing finishes or betting exchanges end.
Report FELTFAIR July 18, 2021 12:02 PM BST
Bye.
Report barstool July 18, 2021 12:10 PM BST
To all the disillusioned, worry not; The Racing League is coming on the 28th of July.
Report stu July 18, 2021 12:21 PM BST
But to suggest you can’t make money on horse racing is somewhat undermined by the existence of HR-Premium Charge.

Indeed.

Most who make decent money probably stay relatively quiet too. Unlike us rabble who ramble on...
Report stu July 18, 2021 12:26 PM BST
plus, I'm sure plenty make money at a much lower level than that. I believe it's a good level to aim for.
Report acey deucy July 18, 2021 12:50 PM BST
Fair enough some people are making money on horseracing but nobody i know or have ever known.....Maybe i am mixing in the wrong circles.Grin
Report neill d July 19, 2021 1:10 AM BST
OP is correct, the sport is populated and administered by the lowest of the low.
Report neill d July 19, 2021 1:12 AM BST
Think the downslope began when a certain scumbag won the Derby, horrible seeing lads like that win those races. Then that generation that started training, Miles Rodgers Boys.

The only good thing, the sport won't be there to see their sons and daughters milk it the same way.
Report duncan idaho July 19, 2021 1:15 PM BST
Think the downslope began when a certain scumbag won the Derby


sorry for my ignorance but who are you referring to there? cheers
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