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Report Uberalles July 17, 2021 1:24 PM BST
Barely any contact, won snuggly on the line. Result stands, weighed in
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:24 PM BST
Will they be consistent ?
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:24 PM BST
a week ago i'd have said feck orf, not got a clue now
Report Trusty July 17, 2021 1:24 PM BST
They didnt do that the other day. If they are to remain consistent it has to be chucked out.
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 1:25 PM BST
Can't see them reversing that.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 1:25 PM BST
best 1.12 you will see today, stands all day long
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:25 PM BST
likewise but i thought that the other day and was wrong
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:25 PM BST
Carried way across Steward whip in wrong hand blah blah no change as its too near lunchtime to have to pizz about for too long.
Report hulk23 July 17, 2021 1:26 PM BST
has running diagonally for a furlong cost the runner-up a neck ?
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:26 PM BST
distance on the other was a sht hd though i think
Report hulk23 July 17, 2021 1:26 PM BST
one for Pythagoras ..
Report EVILROYSLADE July 17, 2021 1:27 PM BST
Correct Hulk. It certainly did.
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 1:27 PM BST
a gregory...stands pour moi
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:27 PM BST
it was elise you corrected moi
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:27 PM BST
2nd has never looked likely to get in front, never stopped riding, up until the last week or so that stands all day long
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:33 PM BST
problem with these on a saturday is you get tied up for 15 mins and miss a few races
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:35 PM BST
Taking a while
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:35 PM BST
usual drift, can't believe they will bin this?
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 1:36 PM BST
No chance, winner was going away again at line, absolutely nothing in it
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:37 PM BST
15% on your bank now
Report hulk23 July 17, 2021 1:39 PM BST
absolutely nothing in it

stewards been going 20 minutes ...
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:40 PM BST
done
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:40 PM BST
I think it might be thrown out. Thought sds horse would of gone past imo.
Report EVILROYSLADE July 17, 2021 1:42 PM BST
Rightfully chucked!
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:42 PM BST
reversed
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 1:42 PM BST
Shocked
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:42 PM BST
wow again, im just amazed these rules are being tightened and there's been jack from the bha on the way they will manage them
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 1:43 PM BST
unbelievable
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:43 PM BST
Course it wont be the are a stewards wage packet
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
think if they continue like this it just pays to side with the hindered horse given the odds
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
Thought so, looked as if sds horse had more left imo!
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
wow even turning neck results around now
Report hulk23 July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
going to take a few people a while to recoup them losses going by whats been written on 'ere Shocked
Report Kriskin July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
Disgraceful decision
Report 11kv July 17, 2021 1:44 PM BST
Plenty available to back SDS didnt get involved though.........Cry
Report Greg_Gory July 17, 2021 1:45 PM BST
Thought I was being clever grabbing 9.2 straight after the unsuspend then went and grabbed 30.00 fckn brilliant LaughLaughLaugh
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:45 PM BST
threebagsfull at the curragh, quite apt if you're a steward  lol
Report hulk23 July 17, 2021 1:45 PM BST
has running diagonally for a furlong cost the runner-up a neck ?

the answer is yes.  and the rest.
Report soba July 17, 2021 1:45 PM BST
sds is a talker
Report Kriskin July 17, 2021 1:45 PM BST
The FPTP was pulling away closer to the line.  SDS never had to STOP riding
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:46 PM BST
Tropez Power would of won imo if not drited across. I was amazed at the stewards market. Didnt get involved but backed Tropez Power myselfHappy
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:46 PM BST
hulk, it's not the carried bit, it's the inconsistency between now and previous (up until 2 weeks ago), where's the public announcement that the rules are going to be more strongly enforced?
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:47 PM BST
bet your life if this carried on most books will remove fptp concession
Report Kriskin July 17, 2021 1:47 PM BST
Nick Luck is gobsmacked
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 1:48 PM BST
anybody who thinks its more than likely than not the 2nd was cost at least a neck from that interference is clueless imo
Report blunder July 17, 2021 1:48 PM BST
The jockey on the first home did nothing to correct the hanging , that simply is why it lost the race. A head distance or less would be a cert to go
, but a neck going away made it trappy. I didn't have a bet, normally any Enquiry I would be involved.
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:48 PM BST
id be gobsmacked if we hadn't had two similar, but they were closer
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 1:48 PM BST
a short head or nose then yeah...but a neck wtf??
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:49 PM BST
Stewards have followed the rules correctly.
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:49 PM BST
and that's fine blunder, but that's not how it's been handled previously
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 17, 2021 1:50 PM BST
make a note of jockeys who obviously argue their case well
Report jim smith July 17, 2021 1:50 PM BST
Not having a penny on either of them, I thought it was the right decision.
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:51 PM BST
have to say if i were that confident it was the right call id have my house on it
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:52 PM BST
Tropez Power traded 20s in stewards
Report 1st time poster July 17, 2021 1:52 PM BST
its not not the rules but as long as jocks dont even think for a nano second of stopping  using the whip,changing whip hands keep throwing them out whatever the distance,they,ll soon learn,steward had best part of a furlong and a half to at least attempt to do something about it
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:53 PM BST
if the stewards have been doing one thing for a couple of years and then do something else (which appears to be happening) then for me the bha should be telling the public and those in the sport that there is a change
Report elise July 17, 2021 1:54 PM BST
i don't really mind which way they jump, i'd just like to know that the old sht hd thing has been kicked into touch and they plan to be tougher
Report Wesdag July 17, 2021 1:55 PM BST
not seen replay but may have been sustained interference without any attempt at correction
Report Trident July 17, 2021 1:57 PM BST
sustained interference without any attempt at correction Very good point. Jockey had time to correct and didnt.
Report themightymac July 17, 2021 1:57 PM BST
I remember Buz Khashi winning by about 10 lengths at Royal Ascot and getting disqualified.
Report Trusty July 17, 2021 1:58 PM BST
Even when a jockey changes the whip hand and tries to stop the horse hanging, if it still takes the other horses line across the track it is going to get reversed. I was surprised at the prices that were trading.
Report jim smith July 17, 2021 2:01 PM BST
A cheats charter if you allow a ride like that to stand as a winner for the jock, and being carried 15 yards or so left can definitely cost a horse a neck.
Report second again July 17, 2021 2:02 PM BST
One of Phil Bulls  10 commandments was dont bet on SEs,as they know not what they do.
Report elise July 17, 2021 2:02 PM BST
the point im making is theyve been standing until recently, it's nowrt to do with today but with consistency and how the rules are applied over long periods, right now i don't think they are following the same guidelines as they have been
Report jim smith July 17, 2021 2:03 PM BST
Fair comment Elise
Report elise July 17, 2021 2:04 PM BST
if the rule is they kick them out that's fine, don't have an issue, but if they've instructed stewards to tighten up they should announce it
Report Trident July 17, 2021 2:05 PM BST
I agree with you elise, and the Betfair markets have not been adjusting accordingly. There is a change in interpretation of the rules.
Report elise July 17, 2021 2:05 PM BST
well done to those that backed at big odds, gl for the next one lol
Report screaming from beneaththewaves July 17, 2021 2:06 PM BST
A cheats charter if you allow a ride like that to stand as a winner for the jock, and being carried 15 yards or so left can definitely cost a horse a neck

You're innumerate.

Carrying a horse 15 yards left over a distance of a furlong increases the distance travelled by 0.51 of a yard, call it 18 inches. A head at the most.
Report Trident July 17, 2021 2:07 PM BST
If any horse carrys another across in a tight finish, will be gone imo.
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 2:08 PM BST
It wasn't a tight finish though, that's the problem. It was a neck with the winner looking stronger at the winning line
Report jim smith July 17, 2021 2:09 PM BST
Screaming- you are assuming no loss of momentum from having to change course
Report sparrow July 17, 2021 2:10 PM BST
The problem will continue to be that decisions can be made on an opinion of whether a horse might have won or not. That is why I prefer the American rules which say that a foul is a foul and that is it without thinking about whether a horse might have won or not.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves July 17, 2021 2:11 PM BST
Where was the loss of momentum? The horse never slowed down.
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:14 PM BST

Jul 17, 2021 -- 8:08AM, jamesdean wrote:


It wasn't a tight finish though, that's the problem. It was a neck with the winner looking stronger at the winning line


exactly

Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:14 PM BST
dangerous precedent imo
Report pablo-fanque July 17, 2021 2:30 PM BST
Carrying a horse 15 yards left over a distance of a furlong increases the distance travelled by 0.51 of a yard, call it 18 inches. A head at the most

it also has to be factored in that the second horse loses even more ground by having to run in an unnatural way ( digonally )  , so the distance lost is greater than the maths formula
Report Kriskin July 17, 2021 2:35 PM BST
There u go with inconsistency.  FPTP keeps it at Newmarket
Report elise July 17, 2021 2:36 PM BST
that looked worse to me and the betting refelected the 2nd would get it
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:37 PM BST
its a total guess up
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
newbury should have stood & newmarket revised
turns out newbury was revised & newmarket stood

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report jamesdean July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
You have to laugh. How can you bet on them going forward after they 2 results today?

The one that should go stands and the one that should stand goes
Report pablo-fanque July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
a great example of why centralised stewarding is required
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
you cant jd
Report 1st time poster July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
call me a thicko
but isnt the whole point of cheating,not correcting yor horse etc,etc is so that you look stronger at the line if not they wouldnt do it,if youve been hampered,harried,intimitaded  carried across the track arnt you bound to look weaker at the finish than the horse breaking the rules,it isnt the point is it
Report Kriskin July 17, 2021 2:38 PM BST
The whole thing is a DISGRACE
Report wondersobright July 17, 2021 2:39 PM BST
worse
Report elise July 17, 2021 2:45 PM BST
ive been with that thought for a while pablo, the old argument about on track being closer or able to see the jocks face to face is past it now, this should be managed with a consistent panel who listen to the on track stewards/evidence and bring a level of consistency by guiding them to a decision if they are out of line
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