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By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 19 Jul 21 16:38
Whatever the outcome after tonights progamme airs.....


Not one breeder will volunteer to breed less horses!!!
By:
sageform
When: 19 Jul 21 19:43
The one area where the BHA have been negligent imo is the freedom of people like Matt Chapman and Luke Harvey to harass people on racecourses. Needs to be reviewed and preferably stopped. A racecourse paddock should be out of bounds to anyone apart from stewards, jockeys, trainers, stable staff and owners.
By:
.Marksman.
When: 19 Jul 21 19:50
Chapman is a really annoying character full of ... his own self importance.
Some one should push him in the Thames, please.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 19 Jul 21 19:50
Phew!
Sorry - fewer.  Cool
By:
.Marksman.
When: 19 Jul 21 19:51
Fair play to him, he went in willingly!
By:
sageform
When: 19 Jul 21 19:52
He jumped in, shame they let him get out.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 19 Jul 21 19:55
Absolutely breadnbutter.  Thin end of a very big and powerful wedge, now powered by tens of thousands of sanctimonious hedgehog savers, empowered like never before by instant social media mob-making.
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 19 Jul 21 20:09
In 2012, just 9 years ago there were 24,632 horses slaughtered in abattoirs in Ireland, the numbers have come down dramatically since then.  While Ireland and England are horrified at the thought of eating horses, 1bn people do so all over the world.

This is from March 2017.



However, at the height of the recession, in 2011, 24,000 unwanted horses were slaughtered for meat here.

Many thoroughbreds who failed to make it on the racing track ended up in abattoirs at the start of this decade, when the Irish economy began to slide. Most of the carcasses are exported to Europe, where they are eaten as burgers or steaks, or even roasts.

ISPCA chief inspector Conor Dowling said it can be kinder to euthanise an animal humanely rather than leave it open to neglect or abuse.

“We’ve seen so many animals abandoned in bad condition over the past 10 years,” said Mr Dowling. “It is certainly favourable for an animal to be humanely destroyed, or slaughtered for meat or put to sleep by a vet.

“It is a sad situation that this is what is required, because of over-population, but, sometimes, it might be the responsible thing to do.”

Globally, consumption has been on the rise since 1990, with horse meat commonly served in China, Russia, Central Asia, Mexico, Holland, Switzerland, Italy, Japan, Belgium, and Argentina.

Mr Dowling said sport and race horses are now being slaughtered for food in Ireland.

“It could be horses who have reached an age where they can’t perform anymore, or who don’t make the grade,” he said.

“Some might have some sort of injury and be healthy enough to make the trip to the slaughterhouse, but not to live on indefinitely.”

The recent scandal of horse DNA found in frozen beef burgers sold in Irish supermarket chains has affected the demand for the meat, and has tightened up regulations on the traceability of meat ingredients all over Europe.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Jul 21 20:10
Any similar programme in France? They even eat snail there!

But, horseracing here is on the downhill; greed and the "bookies" (they do not take bets) have taken over!
By:
doorman99
When: 19 Jul 21 21:08
Elliott and his former farrier Gavin Cromwell , there's a surprise, not!
By:
xaar
When: 19 Jul 21 21:15
nothing on the program after all the talk, pure cr@p
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 19 Jul 21 21:28
Angry
By:
thehoffisback
When: 19 Jul 21 21:33
Gordon works his string that hard that the weak die on the gallops.
You don't become a leading trainer in this sport from going easy on them.  Racehorses should be treated as racehorses.  It's a big investment which is ongoing, prize money needs addressing.  If you're looking for a pet buy a canary.
By:
Facts
When: 20 Jul 21 09:17
'....Gordon works his string that hard that the weak die on the gallops....."


Ridiculous statement !
By:
Gagging
When: 20 Jul 21 11:28
Impossible - u may have hit the nail on the head there - "thoroughbred snail racing" - could be cheaper to run then horse racing - the royal family could still be involved - photo finishes would be easier to resolve -and maybe we wouldn't need jockeys or whips.......
By:
sixtwosix
When: 20 Jul 21 11:39
Every Saturday morning we are forced fed that twee music and look at how happy horses are segment .......and then this .....nauseating
But the authorities are as much use as a wet newspaper  , those poor animals .
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Jul 21 12:05
When you look at the fortunes changing hands in this industry in bloodstock sales, betting, racecourses etc. it seems incredible that this sort of thing is going on. The BBC were right to highlight this issue and if the sport is to survive then it needs to stop this sort of thing happening as soon as possible.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 20 Jul 21 12:17
Kill the horses in a humane way reducing suffering/pain to a minimum
It's the least we can do for horses who give us pleasure.
Oh and don't treat them as sofas  if your fat @ss can help it
By:
cardifffc
When: 20 Jul 21 12:39
the sight of vyta du roc about to killed really upset me
By:
Slicer
When: 20 Jul 21 12:53
Some of the programme was sickening. The solution is out there but it's gonna cost.

1. The Industry is very wealthy as are race sponsors. Increase prize money by 10% & make the owners pay the 10% into a welfare fund.
2. There are enough animal welfare charities who will look after retired racehorses if they are funded. Give them the 10%.
3. No injured animal should be made to travel further than is absolutely necessary to be euthanised & certainly not internationally. The dispatch should be as soon as possible & by an immediately effective method.
4. Intensive supervision of abattoirs & vets supervising abattoirs which must be strictly regulated.
5. No healthy animal to be euthanised.
6. Hefty meaningful fines & banning orders for anyone associated with the industry not complying with regulations including lifetime bans.

Like many things in life it'll never happen because of vested interests & monetary requirement.
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Jul 21 13:04
Slicer 20 Jul 21 11:53 
Some of the programme was sickening. The solution is out there but it's gonna cost.

1. The Industry is very wealthy as are race sponsors. Increase prize money by 10% & make the owners pay the 10% into a welfare fund.
2. There are enough animal welfare charities who will look after retired racehorses if they are funded. Give them the 10%.
3. No injured animal should be made to travel further than is absolutely necessary to be euthanised & certainly not internationally. The dispatch should be as soon as possible & by an immediately effective method.
4. Intensive supervision of abattoirs & vets supervising abattoirs which must be strictly regulated.
5. No healthy animal to be euthanised.
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- and just WHERE - in this UTOPIAN IDEOLOGY - are all these horse going to be Kept - fed, watered, groomed and exercised? ... for up to and around another 25 years of their lives?

The programme talked about 4,000 horses - the real figure ANUALLY will be much, much,  greater.

There is not enough land to build the desperately needed housing on - let alone fields of pasture for - what would become TENS of THOUSANDS of horses over a relatively short period of time.

'Finding  a home' for all 'retired racehorses is, surely,  a LOGISTICAL impossibility ... let alone an uneconomic one.


Harsh - But those are the undeniable Facts.
By:
acey deucy
When: 20 Jul 21 13:13
You make some great points there onlooker.
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Jul 21 13:14
Sparrow Spot on , Billions being spent on Cart horses among the big owners /stables

A % of any sale  / Sales should go to Welfare
By:
casemoney
When: 20 Jul 21 13:17
Could call it Veterinary Added Tax Happy
By:
Slicer
When: 20 Jul 21 13:20
Onlooker- you make some good points. As I said, will never happen.  However, if there is movement of the authorities in the right direction, at least that's better than the status quo. Where there's a will, there's a way, or some arguing relatives!
By:
stewarts rise
When: 20 Jul 21 13:28
Seem to recall reading that many unraced 2 yos in Ireland which couldn't find buyers last year were having to be euthanized. Surely this is at the root of the problem, too many horses being bred in the 1st place. Perhaps say a 5% sales tax for yearlings and another 5% for 2 yos to go into a fund for looking after retired racehorses or rehoming them may help, but as Onlooker says probably not enough people with land and the love of horses to rehome them all.
I do think that overbreeding in the hope of getting the golden goose is at the root of this sad situation.
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 20 Jul 21 13:49
NO BREEDER WILL OFFER TO BREED LESS HORSES!!!!!
By:
sageform
When: 20 Jul 21 13:59
I have no issue with a horse being humanely destroyed but it is the traffic in horse meat for human consumption or pet food that is repugnant to many. Sir Peter O'Sullivan was able to stop the export of live horses for meat but not the import apparently.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 20 Jul 21 14:12
No point breeding horses you can't sell DG.
By:
MJK
When: 20 Jul 21 14:19
Anyone got a list of where all Nicholls and Hendersons' horses ended up after they stopped racing?
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 20 Jul 21 14:22
Stop breeding on such a large scale and problem goes away
By:
differentdrum
When: 20 Jul 21 14:24
sageform,

I have no time for Chapman, but do you really think worrying about him is comparable to what was shown in last night's programme?

Just to clarify you have no problem with healthy horses being shot?
By:
ballyregan
When: 20 Jul 21 14:26
euthanize
[ˈyo͞oTHəˌnīz]
VERB
euthanized (past tense) · euthanized (past participle)
put (a living being, especially a dog or cat) to death humanely.
was not happening imo
with cctv if panorama stuck hidden cameras in every business in the country though they could create a 30 minutes programme the worlds full of corruption and malpractice
By:
ballyregan
When: 20 Jul 21 14:32
plus i dont think most trainers treat every horse the same when they lose a star the trainer sheds a tear, eulogy created yet when they lose a lesser light it does not affect them or seems this way so horses ,imo they treat horses as just ways of succeeding careerwise, we are hypocrites also when a great horse dies you get a thread and fake adulation yet from people with zero connection to the horse really yet when a horse in a seller comes to an end nothings created every horse is the same imho.
By:
Stevo
When: 20 Jul 21 15:03
Not surprised that Pikey Elliot is mentioned.
Irish racing should take a good hard look at itself - Elliot should have been signed high for sitting smirking on that dead horse. Period.
By:
CROPSICK
When: 20 Jul 21 15:14
simple really, reduce the fixture list by about a third so we dont need as many horses then there will be a shortage of horses to go on to do other things dressage, eventing, hunting etc, this will make sure there is plenty of second homes for retired racehorse.
Also, the standard of horse being raced would go up (less races more prizemoney) meaning the cost of the horse would increase getting rid of the £1000 - £2000 rubbish being bred.
This could be done over a period of time so as there is not a mass cull of horses. It really is a problem of too much racing, and just note i bet in France that they dont bat an eyelid if thoroughbreds end up on the plate or not.
By:
whodareswins
When: 20 Jul 21 15:25
The horses were not euthanised, they were slaughtered.  There is a huge difference.  Euthanised suggests being put to sleep by lethal injection of anaesthetic.  The same way pets such as cats or dogs are sent off by your family vet.

One surprising thing was the horses were shot using a rifle, and it seems that is sanctioned by the British authorities.  Another was the horses were not under controlled conditions and could move, and that was sanctioned by the British authorities.  Third surprise was the horses were not stunned before being slaugthered.

The British authorities are the ones who should be put under the spotlight for sanctioning such practices.
By:
duffy
When: 20 Jul 21 15:36
Sickening seeing some of these horses meeting their end in this way.

Of course what we will never know is just how much the previous owners cared or otherwise if they knew how these horses would be destroyed or whether they were just satisfied to get rid!!!!
By:
Punter #1
When: 20 Jul 21 15:50
they must breed more because all the members of the cosy cartel must have their gravy train kept going. A lot of the jockeys  and trainers now are buying and selling lovely little pin hookers and breezers! The big owners then kindly give them a big pay day. The party then continues! Some of the jockeys now even don't bother train because the money is easy this way. They then just go on tv and state how great mr and mrs or even his royal highness are to the game!
By:
workrider
When: 20 Jul 21 16:00
with cctv if panorama stuck hidden cameras in every business in the country though they could create a 30 minutes programme the worlds full of corruption and malpractice . A brilliant observation Ballyregan and so true.
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