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19 Jun 21 18:02
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on a fair few occasions today a bot shadows my bets and takes the money before my bet gets matched on the available money..it looks so dodgy!  Not only that but its uncanny how many times the markets move in the opposite direction to which I'm trading...I may be paranoid but it feels like the bot/individual knows my bets before and after they've been matched!
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Report DOUBLED June 22, 2021 6:04 PM BST
HH .. you completely miss the point greeny is making Cry
Report dustybin June 22, 2021 6:06 PM BST
greenie is implying letting bf know he'd pay 300 is his downfall
What HH says might have a point
Report dave1357 June 22, 2021 6:08 PM BST
The non betfair bots know ppl click on low to back and high to lay to try and scoop.  Don't you think they exploit this?
Report dustybin June 22, 2021 6:09 PM BST
The only shred of doubt I have regarding this argument is that we dont know what 'response' means in gruss.
If it means only the time it took for a bet to reach bf it tells us nothing, because that doesnt then say how long bf take to determine what to do with the bet, that is a grey area.
If it means time to matched bet then I cant see an issue
Report Wicklow June 22, 2021 6:10 PM BST
I wonder if the people/person on the other side of greenies lays at 300.0 are also getting matched at 300 or maybe they are getting matched at a smaller price and bf's cross matcher is skimming something for itself.

So greenie when the cross matcher is turner off for a race - ie late NR etc... you must see a massive difference in getting matched at the prices that are on screen at the time you are processing your lays.
Report DOUBLED June 22, 2021 6:11 PM BST
So are you saying if he asks to lay 300 then Bot lays that price while scooping the lower prices on the pink side for itself ?
Seems fair !!
Report geoff m June 22, 2021 6:13 PM BST
JML22 Jun 21 16:51Joined: 10 May 05 | Topic/replies: 2,127 | Blogger: JML's blog
The bot is programmed to have its sheckels on @ the price yer asking

the problem with that theory is it doesn't begin to explain why any amount at all
is matched at 220,240,270 etc because there was no money waiting in those boxes.


Previously laid tick offset .? or as 
In the place market there is coppers already in their @ big prices that dont show on the screen .
Report HappyHibby June 22, 2021 6:15 PM BST
exactly what point am i missing DOUBLED...?

the problem (well one of the problems) with folk like Mr.Hunt is that he thinks HE is the only person playing against the Betfair BOT...

he seems to forget there are plenty others playing at the same time...

he should be happy he gets what he asks for (even tho he wants better than that)...

coz i can assure you i don't get what i ask for very often.
Report Wicklow June 22, 2021 6:17 PM BST
Whos knows whats going on - lets say im sticking a back in at 50's for a tenner and the same time greenie is putting a lay through at 300's, the cross matcher could easily give me the skim a bit off both the bets and we would be none the wiser. Maybe its far fetched but I'd think we 'd be naive to think that BF havent been dipping their toes into the inrunning to skim a few more quid for themselves.
Report Latalomne June 22, 2021 6:18 PM BST

Jun 22, 2021 -- 6:09PM, dustybin wrote:


The only shred of doubt I have regarding this argument is that we dont know what 'response' means in gruss.If it means only the time it took for a bet to reach bf it tells us nothing, because that doesnt then say how long bf take to determine what to do with the bet, that is a grey area.If it means time to matched bet then I cant see an issue


You get a response time whether the bet is matched or not, so surely it has to be when BF acknowledges that the bet has been processed and  is in the market, in whatever state that might be (matched/unmatched)?

Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 6:31 PM BST

Jun 22, 2021 -- 6:17PM, Wicklow wrote:


Whos knows whats going on - lets say im sticking a back in at 50's for a tenner and the same time greenie is putting a lay through at 300's, the cross matcher could easily give me the skim a bit off both the bets and we would be none the wiser. Maybe its far fetched but I'd think we 'd be naive to think that BF havent been dipping their toes into the inrunning to skim a few more quid for themselves.


This is happening, I have evidence of identical time stamps , me laying them backing, getting 2 completely seperate prices

Report Wicklow June 22, 2021 6:36 PM BST
Very interesting Swaddle
Report geoff m June 22, 2021 6:39 PM BST
Im sure it is. Back and lay simultaneously submitted and cross matcher skims/scalps in the middle
Report JML June 22, 2021 6:40 PM BST
This is how it works

Horse (A) 3(£100) 3.15(80)
Horse (B)3.3(50) 3.5 (10)
Horse (C) 4 (60) 4.1 (22)
Horse (D) 6.6(22) 7 (11)


Willie backs Horse (F) at 300/1 and that's the money on offer when his bets
hit the front of the queue.

The first match point is 100 because 3.15,3.5,4.1,7 and 100 =99.99%

Amount matched is £35 because of horse (B)  3.15(11.11) 3.5(10) 4.1(8.54) 7(5) and willies 100 for 35p.

That's all the 3.5 gone we are now left with----


Horse (A) 3(£100) 3.15(69)
Horse (B) 3.3(50)
Horse (C) 4 (60) 4.1 (13)
Horse (D) 6.6(22) 7 (6)

The next match is at 170 because 3.15,3.3,4.1,7 and 170 =99.99%

the amount now is £42 because the next price to go is the £6 at 7 so Willie will get match at 170 for 24p

And on and on.
Report Latalomne June 22, 2021 6:41 PM BST

Jun 22, 2021 -- 6:31PM, ItsMeSwaddle wrote:


Jun 22, 2021 --  5:17PM, Wicklow wrote:Whos knows whats going on - lets say im sticking a back in at 50's for a tenner and the same time greenie is putting a lay through at 300's, the cross matcher could easily give me the skim a bit off both the bets and we would be none the wiser. Maybe its far fetched but I'd think we 'd be naive to think that BF havent been dipping their toes into the inrunning to skim a few more quid for themselves.This is happening, I have evidence of identical time stamps , me laying them backing, getting 2 completely seperate prices


How granular are the time stamps, Swad?  Second-intervals are not going to be sufficient to conclude anything.

Report JML June 22, 2021 6:44 PM BST
OOPs should say willie lays (E).
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 8:50 PM BST
The same second, I know a second is a long time.
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 8:54 PM BST
What is more worrying lay 1.08, 125 quid (liability via gruss asked for) ....I get 9 quid worth at 1.08 only with a +67 offset, meaning theoretically there aint a bean in the system from whatever it was at the time...lets say 1.01 for argument sake so 1.01 all the way to 1.68 there isnt a bean backing a horse that someone rates a 1.01 poke? IR IS FINNISH!!!
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 8:56 PM BST
2021-06-01
17:08     GB / Redcar 1st Jun/ 17:05 6f Hcap / Stronsay
Lay         1.08     131.91     Won         131.91     771.36


WATCH THIS RACE AND TELL ME AT THE TIME THAT NOBODY IS WILLING TO BACK A 4/6 SHOT?
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:04 PM BST
Balance £771!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F*ck me I thought you were some kind of punting genius.

After all you think that a multi billion pound company has set up a bot to jump ahead of you
when you're trying to back Trap 3 for £20.

You need to sit down and give you're head a wobble.
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 9:07 PM BST
According to your logic youve "lied" !!!!! As i never said anywhere I was a big punter, infact I said I was trying to get 100 liaibilites at a time?
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:11 PM BST
logic is not your strong suit--I've never accused you of claiming to be a big punter.
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 22, 2021 9:16 PM BST
Where do I say I am I genius, I have stated I think I know whats going on and dont have any concrete evidence to back up my claims....

If you are as smart as you make out...wouldnt you be be paying a fortune in PC and betting loads as your ridiculing people that keep 700 quid in their account?

Go on stick your PC portal up!!!
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:20 PM BST
I wouldn't say I pay a fortune in PC but I do pay some.

You wrong again on every point you've made.

I'm ridiculing you because you think Betfair have set up a bot to jump ahead of your bets.

Why would they do that???????????????
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:24 PM BST
i regularly see amounts for eg at 40 (£5) 42 (£4) 44 (£8) on gruss..i click £20 @300..i get match at 40/42/44 for always for amounts under 12p. of course that only a coincidence innit.

the point im making is..these amounts vanish when you click a big overide..the 4-8 quids turn into 12p's.

and im well aware how the cistern operates JML.

i got a lad in office to film a race other day on my monitor..there was amounts in the lay box as stated above..approx 4-8 quids between 40-44...1 sec after i clicked the amounts were still visable..when my 300 went to the back side and i checked my matched bets i'd laid it from 40-290 45 bets and everyone under 12p..the amounts on screen arnt available when roberto detects you're asking for a way bigger price..'it acts accordingly'.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:26 PM BST
aye howay JML..post your portal..it isnt illegal.
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:27 PM BST
The same goes for your 300.

If someone clicks to back it's gone.

You're not the only one to use fill or kill.
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:28 PM BST
it's a very strange one this week.



Commission & charges from last week

June 14th, 2021 - June 20th, 2021

Gross profit & loss

£31.37

Commission
       

Other charges
       

Total charges (2,354.96%)

£738.75
   

+
    £0
   

=
   

£738.75

This week’s premium charge prior to allowance deduction
       

Available allowance
       

Premium charge this week
   

Your remaining allowance is

£0
   

-
   

£0
   

=
   

£0
Report Latalomne June 22, 2021 9:32 PM BST

Jun 22, 2021 -- 9:24PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


i regularly see amounts for eg at 40 (£5) 42 (£4) 44 (£8) on gruss..i click £20 @300..i get match at 40/42/44 for always for amounts under 12p. of course that only a coincidence innit.the point im making is..these amounts vanish when you click a big overide..the 4-8 quids turn into 12p's.and im well aware how the cistern operates JML.i got a lad in office to film a race other day on my monitor..there was amounts in the lay box as stated above..approx 4-8 quids between 40-44...1 sec after i clicked the amounts were still visable..when my 300 went to the back side and i checked my matched bets i'd laid it from 40-290 45 bets and everyone under 12p..the amounts on screen arnt available when roberto detects you're asking for a way bigger price..'it acts accordingly'.


What happens if you change your top whack price to 50 under those circs?

Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:37 PM BST
changed to 210 now..same thing..norm 5-12p ev bet till hit 210..its design to detect what you're asking for and maximise prophets..its very efficient.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:38 PM BST
turned over some amounts jml to acrue £1500 in charges.
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:39 PM BST
But there are other times when you are able to match a nice few quid at 40--44.

But why let the facts get in the way of a good whine.
Report Latalomne June 22, 2021 9:39 PM BST

Jun 22, 2021 -- 9:37PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


changed to 210 now..same thing..norm 5-12p ev bet till hit 210..its design to detect what you're asking for and maximise prophets..its very efficient.


In that case, are you not actually doing yourself out of money by having the override set as high as you are?  ie if it works the way you say, you're scaring off money you wouldn't be scaring if it was set significantly lower?

Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:46 PM BST
your missing the point..the amounts in the boxes arnt available.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:47 PM BST
ive done this 3-6 times ev race ev day for yrs..ive seen how its changed to the current state.
Report JML June 22, 2021 9:54 PM BST
your missing the point..the amounts in the boxes arnt available.

It's you that's missing the point.

On one hand you say you are being matched at various prices where the boxes are empty.

And then you are saying the cistern is designed to ONLY match you at the price you ask.

It's a contradiction.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:55 PM BST
JML has paid £1500 in charges thats won £14,000 and lost £14,000 give or take a score.

Mischief
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 9:57 PM BST
On one hand you say you are being matched at various prices where the boxes are empty.

never ever said the boxes are empty.
Report JML June 22, 2021 10:04 PM BST
JML has paid £1500 in charges thats won £14,000 and lost £14,000 give or take a score.


That's my best week this month.
Report JML June 22, 2021 10:05 PM BST
And where do you get £1500 from???? It's about £700
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 10:10 PM BST
my bad,hurried maths..

JML has paid £1500 in charges thats won £28,000 and lost £28,000 give or take a score.

Total charges (2,354.96%)

£738.75

738 is half the actual charges so £1480.
Report JML June 22, 2021 10:12 PM BST
I think you need to get out more Willie.

You're clueless even on the basics.
Report JML June 22, 2021 10:14 PM BST
Hope you don't mind me asking but how old are you?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 11:45 PM BST
jml..

you finish level on the week but have £750 in charges..

how much iyo would you need to win and lose to accrue a figure of £750 (which obv is £1500/2) ?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 11:45 PM BST
im 17 btw.
Report smirnoff2therescue June 22, 2021 11:47 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Rico-Dangleflaps June 22, 2021 11:51 PM BST
win £30,000  @2% = £600
lose £30,000 @3% = £900
.................£1500/2 = £750

actually closer to 30k each way..please tell me im wrong.
Report JML June 22, 2021 11:59 PM BST
Yes I paid £591.40

Even my first estimate of £700 was quite a bit out.
Report JML June 23, 2021 12:01 AM BST
Another £1300 gone on tonights match.

Luckily didn't manage to turnover anywhere near as much as I would of liked.
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 23, 2021 12:19 AM BST
TY JML
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2021 12:47 AM BST
05 ShockedShockedShocked
Report JML June 23, 2021 1:17 AM BST
ItsMeSwaddle----There was a time when a small group of employees did use inside information to placed bets infront
of a small number of most succesful customers. There might of been hundreds of pounds waiting at a price and these customers would miss most or all of it EVERY single time.

This was around 2002 when Betfair was still a relatively small company and this scheme didn't last long.
Far to blatant to succeed--if they had placed their bets after the customer
they might of got away with it for months.
Report know all June 23, 2021 11:44 AM BST
third party software that most of you trade with can see your bets
Report dave1357 June 23, 2021 11:51 AM BST
your browser is third party software
Report know all June 23, 2021 11:55 AM BST
the trading software you use on here can see your bets
Report know all June 23, 2021 12:03 PM BST
they can see a lot could be someone rogue thats come up with something, after all its there software it just runs on the betfair api, just saying
Report dave1357 June 23, 2021 12:32 PM BST
most of the morons that claim they're being front run don't use apps.

Also I'm fairly sure that the connection from apps is direct to betfair not via a third party.  If the app was sending a stream of data to a third party, it would be noticed by some of the computer savvy users, it might even get picked up as malware.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy June 23, 2021 1:41 PM BST
JML 22 Jun 21 20:28 
it's a very strange one this week.



Commission & charges from last week

June 14th, 2021 - June 20th, 2021

Gross profit & loss



£31.37

Commission
       

Other charges
       

Total charges (2,354.96%)

£738.75

JML 22 Jun 21 22:59 
Yes I paid £591.40

Even my first estimate of £700 was quite a bit out.

so copys his portal charges then says was an estimate? Laugh
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy June 23, 2021 1:42 PM BST
jml obv clueless as to how you obtain £750 in charges and finish level.
Report JML June 23, 2021 3:11 PM BST
You're rambling on in a incoherent manner.

It's not difficult

Gross profit    £31.37.

Commission paid £591.40.

Net loss £560.03
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy June 23, 2021 3:43 PM BST
regardless..to accrue nearly £750 in charges you'd need to turn 60k over.
Report JML June 23, 2021 3:51 PM BST
No one is disputing that.

You've only got to multiply my commission by 50 to get 29570 for my wins and then subtract 37 to get 29533 for my losses.


Under the old system the point to get to and stay at 2% was £150,000/week

I'm a small timer compared to the biggest punters on here.
Report JML June 23, 2021 4:09 PM BST
I don't even have an account manager any more.

And that's the definition of being insignificant.
Report know all June 23, 2021 6:24 PM BST
i will try to explain it better, the software owners that sell punters software and it runs on the betfair api, they are in control of what it does and when, they can see everything as its there software, you the users of the software can see nothing its not yours to see, i know a lot more but will be carefull
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy June 23, 2021 6:25 PM BST
are you a know all?
Report know all June 23, 2021 6:28 PM BST
i know a lot more than most about api and what you can see as ive seen it from the inside so if somethings going on it may not be betfair itself
Report hulk23 June 23, 2021 6:35 PM BST
Gruss Software can provide you with sports betting software that will keep you one step ahead of the market


but one step behind us ... how much you been paying them Rico LaughLaugh
Report longbridge June 23, 2021 6:40 PM BST
@know_all

"they can see everything as its there software"

Really not.  The software is running on your computer.  If the vendors had some back door where it "phoned home" with your bets so that the vendor could steal your strategy or whatever, there are plenty of people on here who are technically competetnt enough to spot it.

Also, as a vendor, why would you?  You have hundreds or thousands of subscribers paying you GBP 60 per year in licence fees for your software, that's a five- or six-figure income year-in, year-out.  You get caught once doing anything like this, and that money goes away forever.
Report know all June 23, 2021 6:46 PM BST
they havent got hundreds of thousands, the market is very small so get that myth out of the way, you cant comment if you dont know how things work in reality ok you can but how can a user spot anything you the end user are at the end game not in the middle
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy June 23, 2021 7:05 PM BST
thoosands lately hulk..1 week and im outa ear Grin
Report dave1357 June 23, 2021 8:11 PM BST
afaik longbridge is an IT professional, what are your qualifications. know all?  You seem to me to be a complete fantasist.
Report longbridge June 23, 2021 10:15 PM BST
@know all - I said "hundreds or thousands" not "hundreds of thousands" and it is pretty clear that AGT, Bet Angel, Gruss have those kinds of numbers of subscribers

@dave1357 - well-remembered, software is my thing, joined the City from university more than 30 years ago now.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 23, 2021 11:00 PM BST
Do you know anything about this outfit, longbridge?

http://www.momutech.com/

Momu (Master Of My Universe) is what the late Alan Woods called himself (the Australian punter whose data-crunching was supposed to have won zillions in the Hong Kong tote pools).

I only ask because I came across an implausible rumour a couple of years ago that an ex-BF customer profiler had gone to work for them, and that the profiler in question was receiving data from Betfair and using it to identify winners and shadow them.

It couldn't possibly be true, since, as dave1357 points out, why would a company of Betfair's size do such a thing. And there's no reason to think that this Momu operation would want to be involved either But I just wonder whether you might know anything about them, being in the business.
Report longbridge June 23, 2021 11:09 PM BST
@screaming

Thanks, interesting.  No, not a mob I have heard of.

I shall have an ask around :)
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 8:57 AM BST
longbridge...

do you have a theory on this one...?

something that i have spotted many times in recent years...

only to be told it is impossible...

-----------------------------------------------------------------

the 1000 / £240 appeared whilst the SUSPENDED message was still visible...

that's how fast it was...

and if anyone says 'photo markets don't have the 1 sec delay'...

you are wrong coz they do...

or should i say they do for most of us.
Report ItsMeSwaddle June 24, 2021 10:21 AM BST
Happy what happens if you place 1.01 keep bet on line?
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 10:24 AM BST
no idea IMS.
Report longbridge June 24, 2021 11:08 AM BST
@HappyHibby

No idea - I tend to be watching IR Racing more for interest in my pre-play bets than to bet IR so it's very rare I have enough interest in the market reopening for a photo to pay much interest.  I will keep an eye out.
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 11:11 AM BST
thanx for that longbridge...

in your opinion would it be possible to beat the 1 sec in running delay tho...?

coz i can assure you i have seen it happen on many occasions.

and it's really only when a photo is called that it's noticeable.

but if they can beat it for a photo they can beat it throughout a race...

which (as i have said for a long time now) is an absolutely HUGE advantage.
Report Latalomne June 24, 2021 11:41 AM BST

Jun 24, 2021 -- 10:21AM, ItsMeSwaddle wrote:


Happy what happens if you place 1.01 keep bet on line?


Can you even place a keep bet when the market is in-play?  Pretty sure (on Gruss at least) that bets submitted in-play, even if you have keep bets checked, are not displayed with a check mark under IP (ie keep IP) in Bets Manager? 

No idea if that is just a quirk of Gruss though?

Report Latalomne June 24, 2021 11:42 AM BST
And you don't appear to be able to change the bet status in-play on the BF website either.
Report dustybin June 24, 2021 12:17 PM BST
HH

Have you actually timed one?
I looked at a number of them (if you have a particular race I probably still have it so tell me and I’ll have a look)
But on the ones I studied there were 1 or 2 that were questionable, if I were generous I’d say they were 0.8s…but there’s a margin of error involved
For eg. The suspend notice, how do you know to the split second the suspend vanishing is the exact split second the market re-opens?

What I’m absolutely certain about is that if you haven’t stop frame analysed it there’s no way you’d categorically be able to be dogmatic about 0.8s or 1s simply going on your eye.
I think you are kidding yourself on that one, but I’ll stand corrected if you point one out.
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 12:30 PM BST
nope...

not timed one dustybin...

i pointed one out to you the other day but you said you hadn't recorded it or something...

i know what my eyes and brain tell me...

seen it too many times with photo finishes (which is where it is obvious and they give the game away by doing it at that point)...

normally it's about 25k at 1.01 on the pink side where the winner is obvious and there's no chance of a stewards being called.

it's clear i am in the minority by a vast amount when it comes to this...

but like i say i've seen it happen too many times for there to be nowt in it.

but i'm not going to get involved in trying to prove it coz i can't...

but my eyes and brain don't lie to me.

oh and rather tellingly...

normally when i point it out on here it 'all of a sudden' goes quiet on that front for a bit and starts up again when folk have 'forgotten' about it...

strange that.

but of course it'll still be happening during the race where it's way less noticeable.
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 12:37 PM BST
another reason i know it happens is coz when a photo market opens...

there are occasions when i try and get bets on...

and the person who is getting in before everyone else is in miles before my 'yellow box' appears (which is when my bet hits the Betfair system - which is after the 1 sec delay kicks in (or actually 1.1 to 1.3 secs in reality).

so i see his bets in the system miles before mine.

and that is the best 'proof' i can offer dustybin.

but i've seen it happen many many times.

and i know i'm not bonkers.
Report dustybin June 24, 2021 1:00 PM BST
You cant guess it, Ive seen ones that I though looked suspect then watched it back and there wasnt anything unusual
Just another bf user who was better set to take the odds
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 1:05 PM BST
no probs.

i'll get myself checked in to the Andrew Duncan clinic on Monday.
Report pablo-fanque June 24, 2021 1:18 PM BST
there are people who have bots set up  to try to get there bet into betfair with the quickest possible route. the bot will hammer the betfair server more times per second than we could clicking a mouse and they might have a dedicated server as close to betfairs server where it takes 20ms to get the bet in as soon as the unsuspend sign disappears where it might take us 200ms+ doing it manually
Report dave1357 June 24, 2021 1:25 PM BST
^this is it - the same kind of bots get the 1.01 lays in as soon as the market is created - as it is only the 1.01s first in the queue that are guaranteed to be long term profitable.
Report jamesdean June 24, 2021 1:32 PM BST
ive noticed my response times are never below 1100 these days, where as for  a few years i was getting in between 1050-1150
i now get 1100-1200 average......only .05 but that counts in photos
Report longbridge June 24, 2021 2:05 PM BST
@Latalomne

"Can you even place a keep bet when the market is in-play?  Pretty sure (on Gruss at least) that bets submitted in-play, even if you have keep bets checked, are not displayed with a check mark under IP (ie keep IP) in Bets Manager?

No idea if that is just a quirk of Gruss though?

And you don't appear to be able to change the bet status in-play on the BF website either."

I just placed a couple of bets in-play on the BF website, one on Football and one on the 1400 Newc, at prices chosen not to match and had the usual option to click the "keep" radio button, andthe bet showed as "keep" thereafter.
Report Latalomne June 24, 2021 2:13 PM BST
Interesting.  I tried to change a bet I'd already put into the system (to prove I wasn't imagining things about how Gruss works), but the 'in-play' option was greyed out (it was a tennis bet, as there were no races off at the time, which may or may not be significant?).  Just tried it on another tennis match (already in-play) via the website, and I didn't get offered a keep option....

Have just tried it on the 1410 race, though, and it works as you explain.
Report Latalomne June 24, 2021 2:16 PM BST
And I could change the bet persistence of the Vaal race while it was being run.  It must vary depending on sport.
Report Latalomne June 24, 2021 2:17 PM BST
On Gruss, that is
Report longbridge June 24, 2021 2:21 PM BST
@latalomne

I think by sport makes sense.

I can see the value for Football (keep bets don't get lapsed when others are for goals being scored).
I can see the value for Racing (so your bet doesn't get lapsed before the market is reopened for photo/stewards)

I do not know of other sports where it wouldbe useful?
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 3:40 PM BST
Passionova...

25k at 1.01 on the pink side with about 10 yards to go on RTV BLV...

well done to the person with no delay in running and raw pics.

you're a very lucky human being.
Report HappyHibby June 24, 2021 3:52 PM BST
if Gonzo Racing is reading this any chance you can do your stuff...???
Report Ghetto Joe June 24, 2021 4:42 PM BST
know all
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i will try to explain it better, the software owners that sell punters software and it runs on the betfair api, they are in control of what it does and when, they can see everything as its there software, you the users of the software can see nothing its not yours to see, i know a lot more but will be carefull


As a user of any software it's very easy to see what connections the software is making, know-all, many free apps will tell you what data is being sent and to where, it's not magic.

All these API vendors have to go through the Certification checks to use the API one of which stipulates they can't go through a proxy and must only communicate with Betfair's API  https://developer.betfair.com/en/vendor-program/security-certification/



Security Authorisation Checklist :

    1 An application may not communicate with the API through a proxy of any description. All communications must be directly with the API* and over a secure channel.
    2 A Vendor must not have visibility of a user's Betfair username, password or any other sensitive data that may link a user of a product to a Betfair account.
    3 An application must communicate directly with Betfair via the API to validate a customer.
    4 An application must not store or log the username or password in plain text. If the user has chosen to store their username or password locally (by performing an explicit action to indicate their wish to do so) it should be encrypted (AES with minimum 128 bits key length).
    5 An application must display an agree/disagree model dialog to the user when the user indicates a desire to store their username and/or password locally. The default action of the dialog should be to not save the details.
    6 An application must use the Vendor-registered user ID (not the Betfair username) credentials to validate subscriptions, fetch news and update the application and all other Vendor/application specific communication.
    7 The provisioning of the account to use the application with the Betfair API must be via API-NG Vendor Services operations
    8 The Application Key must be obfuscated from the end user.
    9 The application must provide a 'Log-out' function to enable the customer to end their session.
Report dave1357 June 25, 2021 5:33 PM BST

Jun 21, 2021 -- 5:24PM, HappyHibby wrote:


btw..is anyone getting a 'adobe flash player is out of date' message flashed up on the screen when they open ATR or RTV BLV on Gruss...?just started today...only visible for a second just before the actual pictures start to play.


hmmm I'm seeing this as well for a split second - new laptop never had flash

Report DOUBLED June 26, 2021 2:45 PM BST
Now you see it .....Now you don't Laugh
Report DOUBLED July 1, 2021 8:55 PM BST
ttt
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