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know all
18 Jun 21 10:25
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Went into a new ladbrokes yesterday wanted 400 on haggis winner split it in 200 x200 did the track and trace app photo that i pretend i have on my phone, on placing my 200 said i need your name and number or cant take the bet i said my name joe bloggs she wrote it down, this is the affordability checks she said it was a ladbrokes rule , whats it coming to ....
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Report Deptford June 18, 2021 10:28 AM BST
Maybe she wanted to take you out for a drink?
Report penzance June 18, 2021 10:33 AM BST
thought you might've known that already.
Report know all June 18, 2021 11:19 AM BST
whats the limit 20 50 100
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! June 18, 2021 11:24 AM BST
Hi JOE

Laugh
Report know all June 18, 2021 11:26 AM BST
asked for the ladbrokes card i forgot it that has p sutcliffe on it lol
Report the dealer June 18, 2021 11:30 AM BST
I think with lads its £800 in a day but they will also have a total you hit in previous visits. They should have asked for photo ID or asked you to bring it in to prove who you are, depending on circumstances it will be followed by a proof of income.
They seem to be taking the lead in this because gambling commission and government have so far not set any limits.
Report penzance June 18, 2021 11:32 AM BST
personally would've told them to fkc off
and walked out.
Report the dealer June 18, 2021 11:39 AM BST
Its all mental penzance, the country has gone mad.
Report SlippyBlue June 18, 2021 11:58 AM BST
It has indeed t.d. This is utter madness.I wouldn't tell any high street firm my name let alone anything else.They can go whistle.
Report xmoneyx June 18, 2021 12:00 PM BST
fred coral
Report dave1357 June 18, 2021 12:02 PM BST
have you been paid yet? It will be a giggle if they don't pay until you can prove you are joe bloggs.
Report the dealer June 18, 2021 12:04 PM BST
The problem is slippy, they are now so paranoid about getting caught with money laundering or proceeds of crime money, with the huge fines involved, your average punter has now been caught up in the so called Red tape.
Report The Management June 18, 2021 12:17 PM BST
When they eventually do away with cash altogether we will all be fooked! - no anonymity, everything tracked and recorded.

The Tories are bound to do it at some point in the coming years - all sorted themselves out with tax dodging arrangements off-shore in Panama and the Cayman Islands - but they can't bare the thought of the man in the street saving himself enough from HMRC to buy a pint or two.

The cashless society will make it impossible to get a bet on anywhere.
Report Callisto-moon June 18, 2021 12:59 PM BST
imagine the aggro anyone actually called joe bloggs must get filling forms in
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 18, 2021 1:05 PM BST
Can go into carpet warehouse spend
a few grand...

Bookies twisting rules to avoid bets
off those they don't want punting with them.

You dont see folk feeding the fobt
Or auto bet machines getting asked
for proof they are P Sutcliffe!
Report sageform June 18, 2021 1:05 PM BST
They obviously thought you had inside info and wanted to ask your advice on future races. You should have singed in as Joe KnowallHappy
Report snowynoon June 18, 2021 1:13 PM BST
Not one for defending the bookies ,but ,they and casinos have been hit with ridiculously huge fines under this money laundering nonsense rules for not doing due dilligence ,so they go to extremes to cover their you know whats .
Report saddo June 18, 2021 1:16 PM BST
Covering indeed, we've all been captives for two summers for similar reasons.
Report sageform June 18, 2021 1:17 PM BST
Just be thankful we live in a country that allows any betting at all.
Report .Marksman. June 18, 2021 1:36 PM BST
sageform,
If this purple thing (Carolyn Harris MP, Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Gambling Related Harm) gets its way, betting more than £100 in a month will be illegal.

Lets hope she doesn't wake up for a while.
Report sageform June 18, 2021 1:39 PM BST
Could she perhaps be asked to test the going at Ascot? She clearly thinks more about betting than most MPs.
Report know all June 19, 2021 12:47 AM BST
they made zillions with crooks washing the money through fobts every day and now we end up with hardly any bookies on the high street, hardly anyone in, they are finished on the last legs
Report Ramruma June 19, 2021 1:23 AM BST
That's the problem, @know all.

The books made so much money from FOBTs they could afford to get rid of horse punters. And MPs noticed a lot of FOBT players were doing their brains, pinching money from their employers, or laundering money.
Report sageform June 19, 2021 8:04 AM BST
Why exactly would anyone who wanted a serious bet use a betting shop? You have almost unlimited choice from online bookmakers with better and better offers and exchanges if you prefer them. I admit that I have not been into a shop for at least 4 years but I don't recall them having the sort of offers that are routinely available online.
Report parispike June 19, 2021 8:09 AM BST
sageform - because, exchanges aside, online is a no go area for those of us who have been stake limited to pence (or in some cases, nothing!
Report IDKW June 19, 2021 8:34 AM BST
sageform, are you really that naive??
Shops are the ONLY option for many, unless you're prepared to wait until 5 mins before the off on here.
Report roggrain June 19, 2021 11:12 AM BST
Spot on The Management. It's not only the bookies. Went into a coffee shop the other day ordered a

capuccino. 'Sorry, we don't take cash, card only' followed by 'Have you signed in on your track and

trace app?'

'No'

'Do you have a track and trace app?'

'No'

'Please go to the table over there by the wall and fill out your name and phone number '

At which point I walked out. I've been to many coffee shops where none of this is necessary.

The only ones that are doing it are the large corporate owned : Coffee 1, Starbucks Nero etc.

All the ma and pa cafes take cash and no name etc required.

If you ask at the corporate places why they need this info they will say it is a requirement of law.

It isn't. The corporate sector is using covid as an excuse to go cashless.

The only way this process can be stopped is if, like me, everyone boycotts those businesses.
Report know all June 19, 2021 11:54 AM BST
i just happened to be in a different town that afternoon and fancied a bit of cash having backed it on here i had done the photo of the test and trace app as you walk in a piczul picture i told her that when she asked my name number so it wasnt test and trace , i think it was because of the 200 cash
Report geoff m June 19, 2021 11:59 AM BST
sageform19 Jun 21 07:04Joined: 15 Jun 01 | Topic/replies: 20,731 | Blogger: sageform's blog
Why exactly would anyone who wanted a serious bet use a betting shop? You have almost unlimited choice from online bookmakers with better and better offers

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Report trevor007 June 19, 2021 12:53 PM BST
its all got f******* mad phoned up to pay the outstanding balance on my van loan, due to the 3 month deferment holiday taken during the pandemic.

Asked me were the money was coming from and wouldn't take a payment over the phone for the outstanding balance until i filled in an online means affordability form.

Couldn't make it up.
Report Brian June 19, 2021 12:58 PM BST
Went to a pub a few days back and shown to a table. Then we needed to download their app and order and pay by that means. We walked out and went to another establishment nearby.
Report dave1357 June 19, 2021 1:21 PM BST
that's nothing new - they tried that in a restaurant in Heathrow at almost ten years ago.
Report parispike June 19, 2021 1:26 PM BST
Brian - same here. It's a data collection exercise masquerading as a public health initiative.

F&ck 'em.
Report Brian June 19, 2021 1:28 PM BST
I've known it to be suggested Dave but not offering any other option was new to me and not liked at all!
Report dave1357 June 19, 2021 1:31 PM BST
in the heathrow restaurant you had to order on the app - no one would take your order at the table.
Report Regbutler June 19, 2021 1:37 PM BST
Agree, Brian, I'm a cash man, will resist paying any other way for as long as possible
Small independent bakers near me, been using them for years, suddenly gone card only
I went in, bought 2 plain crusty rolls, 60p, told don't take cash anymore
Told them they won't have my business anymore... Before you say it, I usually spend more than 60p!!!
Over half their customers in the 60 plus category, ie mostly cash people, especially for small amounts
Hope they change their policy, or go bust
Report know all June 19, 2021 1:38 PM BST
i dont have the nhs app so when i go anywhere you open your photo scan the picture something comes up on the phone and thats it fooled em it dosent go anywhere but they think you have complied, it works everytime
Report dave1357 June 19, 2021 1:39 PM BST
you are a real trickster, know all.
Report dave1357 June 19, 2021 1:44 PM BST
One think that these anti-cash establishments seem to have forgotten is tourism.  I virtually always pay in cash when abroad due to charges and the possibility of compromised cards.  I can't imagine that tourists coming to the UK would be any different, so no cash doesn't seem a sustainable policy.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 19, 2021 2:36 PM BST
Somerset County Cricket Club have permanently banned cash from the County Ground at Taunton "to keep everyone safe". I sent them this:

Thank you for informing members of your new cashless policy, and your intention to enforce it without exception.

I also have a policy, which is never to buy anything from retail premises which refuse to accept cash. I enforce this policy equally strictly, and as a consequence shall not be purchasing anything from the County Ground again. Not an ice cream, not a cider, no souvenirs or apparel from your shop - in fact none of the things I've been spending money on at the County Ground for years.

Your choice.


Their reply:

Good Afternoon Paul

Thank you for your email and feedback.

Kind Regards


Anyway, it's all academic, as they've also banned dogs "to maintain social distancing and keep everyone safe", so I can't attend anyway. They they only banned dogs after I'd paid for membership, of course.

I thought I'd just turn up for the morning session, and leave the dog at home, but as soon as I saw everyone queuing in masks and walking around in masks and even just standing up in masks, I just couldn't go through with it. (They only let you take your mask off if seated in your designated socially distanced seat, "to keep everyone safe".)

I want to go home (home being about 1990, just after Lawson abolished the on course betting tax and just before the digital world took over to ruin everything)
Report penzance June 19, 2021 2:47 PM BST
don't know about you m8 but when
you win a nice few quid on here
or online,it's not anything like
picking up the 'cash'.
Report know all June 19, 2021 3:40 PM BST
you are a real trickster, know all.

takes one to know one lol
Report Stark June 19, 2021 4:15 PM BST
Not been to a pub or restaurant for over a year now. I flatly refuse to join in with this cashless, trace and trace pantomime so I'll keep my money in my pocket thank you. Your business can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, I have no intention of spending my leisure time being bossed about.
Report parispike June 19, 2021 6:02 PM BST
^^^

Stark Life.
Report pmbets June 19, 2021 7:05 PM BST
Gambling's future in a cashless society for those who hope to make it pay.

Online :-  5/1 horse   max bet 0.48p often less.(account restricted for all, with some of the new bookies restricting when you manage to make over £20 profit).

Shop   :-  5/1 horse   bet refused but S.P. offered (much worst than online as S.P. offered is the same as been banned)

Cashless betting = Only losers accepted and we know who is who from you data that you freely give us.
Report FOYLESWAR June 19, 2021 9:38 PM BST
had an amazon delivery on friday for my son ,delivery guy says i need id (turns out it was a bottle of gin ) had to show him my sons passport ffs .
Report FOYLESWAR June 19, 2021 9:51 PM BST
nothing is simple anymore ,to do anything you have to jump thro hoops !
Report liberator of the oppressed June 20, 2021 3:28 PM BST
Ram they are doing the FOBTs on line no restrictions bet up to a zillion a spin same will happen to horse racing big operators will go offshore and be a lot of illegal activity.
Report hulk23 June 20, 2021 3:43 PM BST
why take a risk taking a bet on the geegee's when you know a certain % of everything that goes into the FOBT drops straight into your back a/c.  100% risk free.
Report LoyalHoncho June 20, 2021 3:53 PM BST
Agreed slippy and, we've let it go mad dealer by sitting back and taking all the crap that's been landed on us.  There's no way back now, the quiet revolution is in full flow and the wets are in charge.  What a mess.
Report Andrew.in.Sweden June 20, 2021 4:07 PM BST
Betting aside, Sweden has a target to be a completely cashless society and there are many outlets in Linköping where you can't use any cash at all including at a couple of the major bars (been in place for a few years). It's the same at major cities Stockholm and Göteborg.

We have a system called Swish (contactless payment) but it's no use to tourists as you need a Svenska bank account and a national ID. It works fine, although UK debit cards serve just as well.

I can foresee UK will be the same in my lifetime and Covid will speed this up.
Report themightymac June 20, 2021 4:20 PM BST
If Ladbrokes had run MI5 during the 2nd World War, it would have ended in 1942.
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 20, 2021 4:36 PM BST
.. Cant see this working in the ladbrokes on the Govan Road . !!  GrinLaugh
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 20, 2021 4:36 PM BST
.. Cant see this working in the ladbrokes on the Govan Road . !!  GrinLaugh
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 20, 2021 4:36 PM BST
Mischief
Report SlippyBlue June 20, 2021 5:18 PM BST
Indeed it does seem that we are heading towards a cash free society whether we like it or not and my mindset now accepts it. Even my local bakery won't accept cash. I did have an unfortunate experience yesterday though in Camberwell when a genuinely homeless guy asked me for some change to get a sarnie and I honestly did not have any dosh on me, I would have given the chap a fiver even but sadly it just doesn't occur to me now to carry any money!
Report LoyalHoncho June 20, 2021 5:22 PM BST
lol.  I paid my butcher the other day with an old twenty and he quipped - "You must have dug this one out from under the mattress"!  He was right too.  Thankfully they won't take anything but cash.
Report The Management June 20, 2021 5:26 PM BST
And that attitude Slippy - is exactly why the "cashless society" is inevitable! You need to find another bakery!

If people proactively and vociferously boycotted businesses that refuse to take money - they would think twice - but apathy will win the day.

Had a conversation (pre-covid) trying to buy a computer - the retailer said he could not take cash! - I pointed out that he has a premises and did not have a website i.e. The ridiculousness of the situation that a shop that exists to sell things but you doesn't take money? And he still thought I was the strange one! Told him he had lost my business.
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