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07 May 21 07:01
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I think it was first aired last year.I was always of the mind he was guilty for sure but after watching it last night i am far from sure.
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Report FOYLESWAR May 7, 2021 8:12 AM BST
yes portman me too ,back in those days if the police made up thier minds someone was the culprit some evidence could often not get shown in court ,bamber came across as arrogant spoilt brat type who could be disliked by many for those reasons ,he may have done it but a lot does not add up .
Report May 7, 2021 8:32 AM BST
how many years has he done now
Report portmanpark May 7, 2021 8:36 AM BST
Report May 7, 2021 8:39 AM BST
he should be out by now
Report portmanpark May 7, 2021 8:43 AM BST
The cousins who eventually found the silencer that convicted him despite the fact the police had failed to in their search 2 days earlier these cousins went on to inherit everything.They have now uncovered the phone call the father made to the police at 3.25 saying his daughter was going crazy with a gun and a phone call from bamber 5 mins later from his house saying his father was terrified.We know these phone calls came from 2 locations half hour apart.You cant be in 2 places at once. The CPS has been to court to stop this evidence from being made available to the defence thats shocking,
Report snowynoon May 7, 2021 11:33 AM BST
i wouldve liked to see it ,didnt realise it was on ,saw a bit of last time ,is it on again soon ,anyone know ??
Report portmanpark May 7, 2021 12:01 PM BST
watch it on catch up
Report Facts May 9, 2021 4:34 AM BST
Report San Quentin May 9, 2021 9:33 AM BST
It's absolutely disgusting and corrupt to disallow any evidence in any trial absolutely disgusting.Goes in day in day out.How can anyone get a fair trial.The system is broke
Report icantbelieveyousaidthat May 9, 2021 9:52 AM BST
Has anyone ever been released after being given to a whole of life sentence in the UK?
Report San Quentin May 9, 2021 11:46 AM BST
There are 1000's of wrong convictions.Innocent untill proven guilty not on your Nellie in this corrupt justice system.
Report JML May 9, 2021 11:52 AM BST
We know these phone calls came from 2 locations half hour apart.You cant be in 2 places at once.

You can be in 2 different locations half an hour apart.
Report CROPSICK May 9, 2021 1:24 PM BST
The thing with these type of documentarys is that they all have an agenda, either to cast doubt on a conviction or cast doubt on an aquittal, so they tend to only show the evidence that suits whatever they are aiming for, not both sides of the story in a balanced way.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 9, 2021 1:34 PM BST
icantbelieveyousaidthat 09 May 21 08:52 
Has anyone ever been released after being given to a whole of life sentence in the UK?

only to the undertaker.
Report tanglefoot May 9, 2021 1:39 PM BST
I suppose,jail,the only one walking member, of the immediate family after,that night,just to be on the safe side.
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 9:57 AM BST
cropstick....This one was different for the first half of the show I thought it was one of those typical shows which showed he was guilty and how he did it.
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 9:58 AM BST
JML....not in 5 mins even using concorde
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 10:03 AM BST
JML...The phone calls were traced to 5 minutes apart.If bamber made the first call from his fathers son pretending to be his dad which is possible then how did he make the call from his house 5 mins away which takes half an hour journey??
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 10:06 AM BST
FACTS...Hope I am never up in court with an idiot like you on the jury??
Report saxon farm May 10, 2021 10:07 AM BST
Whether he is guilty or not, I am certain the conviction is completely unsafe.
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 10:10 AM BST
He deserves another trial if nothing else.
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 10:35 AM BST
Basically there are 2 bits of evidence that convicted him. Firstly the silencer which in a thorough search by the police on the day of the murder was not found  but 2 days later by the 2 cousins who eventually went on to inherit the lot. How they were allowed to go into a murder scene 2 days later is astonishing. There were also marks on the wall where the murderer and the father fought made by the silencer on the wall. Photographs show these marks were not on the photos taken on the day of the murder. The other witness was his girlfriend.In the first 36 interviews, she said nothing incriminating about Bamber but on the 37th she came up with the story that Bamber talked about killing the family.At At the same time the police discovered she had committed fraud with a friend and gone on a spending spree.These charges were dropped for giving evidence against Bamber. She also received 25k from the news of the world. for her exclusive story.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 1:59 PM BST
only 2 suspects..

1.01 jeremy

66 sheila.
Report scaredmoney May 10, 2021 2:08 PM BST
In another case. Police have just "found" after 14 years of saying it was lost, a shoelace that could hold DNA from the Michael Stone / Megan Russel case

Another very unsafe conviction imo
Report JML May 10, 2021 3:33 PM BST
Whether he is guilty or not, I am certain the conviction is completely unsafe.

wise words saxon farm.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 3:39 PM BST
young woman does the house rounds and slaughters her parents and children with precision ..reloads the gun in the process.. then kills herself?

wey aye wor kid.
Report JML May 10, 2021 3:40 PM BST
JML...The phone calls were traced to 5 minutes apart.If bamber made the first call from his fathers son pretending to be his dad which is possible then how did he make the call from his house 5 mins away which takes half an hour journey??

30 minutes to travel 3 miles?
Report JML May 10, 2021 3:45 PM BST
young woman does the house rounds and slaughters her parents and children with precision ..reloads the gun in the process.. then kills herself?

You conviently forgot to mention that she had been diagnosed with schizophrenia
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 3:48 PM BST
does that make her handy with firearms?
Report JML May 10, 2021 3:52 PM BST
I think you should educate yourself about this case before
writing total nonsense.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 4:04 PM BST
seen and read everything there is to know about it 20yr ago.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 4:05 PM BST
what iyo it  the 'total nonsense' ?
Report casemoney May 10, 2021 4:09 PM BST
Have to agree with Steve 2 suspects, not sure Sheila capable , the rest of the family appear dodgy as fook to say the least ,But he took them out of it saying Nev had called saying Shiela was on rampage ,Must admit the Phone logs leave a lot to be desired ,Even a suggestion that Neville himself rang the police .

Would I find Jeremy guilty of the Crime in on a Jury on what is known now ,NO I could not 100%
say it was him Plain
Report casemoney May 10, 2021 4:12 PM BST
Another Interesting case back in the NEW  Michael Stone ,the man was a nutter  , But guilty I doubt it very much
Report casemoney May 10, 2021 4:14 PM BST
My main question on Stone is what would a drug Addict be doing out Lying in wait in fields miles from where he lived and attacking a family Plain There is no evidence at all linking him to the case ,and has been found guilty twice Laugh
Report muzzle May 10, 2021 5:31 PM BST
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 10, 2021 5:44 PM BST
only 2 suspects..

1.01 jeremy

66 sheila.
Report jamesdean May 10, 2021 8:17 PM BST
What docu is this? cant see any on ch5 catch up about it

Cany anyone post a link to the most up to dat docu about it? ta

one i have watched was no mention on micheal stone etc
Report jamesdean May 10, 2021 8:22 PM BST
micheal stone different case altogether ffs

anyway, again what is latest docu on bamber case, tia
Report Facts May 10, 2021 9:04 PM BST
cardifffc    10 May 21 09:06 
FACTS...Hope I am never up in court with an idiot like you on the jury??

So your stupid comment applies to each of the jury members that ( correctly) found Bamber guilty ?
Clown !
Report cardifffc May 10, 2021 9:44 PM BST
so no one in your opinion has ever been wrongly convicted....all convictions are right because 12 people decided the persons were guilty....going by your logic...the birmingham 6 and guildford 4 should never been released....12 people found them guilty
Report 1st time poster May 10, 2021 9:49 PM BST
the falcano docu was another ridiculous docu basing his innocence on a few whino,s in the outback remembering things years later
one on a few weeks back about the couple near me in marske and their missing son,had nothing despite claiming to be new vital evidence,that ex dectec mark someone behind lots of them
Report 1st time poster May 10, 2021 9:50 PM BST
2 mins of info in a 60 min docu
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 10, 2021 10:09 PM BST
the ex dec mark williams is a staunch defender of gerry and kate despite evidence to the contrary...bent as a nine bob bit the dc.
Report casemoney May 10, 2021 10:52 PM BST
Doc was on a few months Back JAMES , I watched it  and wanted to watch it again but could not find on line , The calls to the police very strange Old bill saying the same call was logged twice ,One saying Jeremy made a call, another log saying His Dad made a call ,But there was a mistake and only Jeremy called Shocked logs that strangely disapeared pre trial .
Report Facts May 11, 2021 12:11 AM BST
cardifffc    10 May 21 20:44 
so no one in your opinion has ever been wrongly convicted....all convictions are right because 12 people decided the persons were guilty....going by your logic...the birmingham 6 and guildford 4 should never been released....12 people found them guilty

Where have I stated that ?

Of course people have been wrongly convicted and found guilty, when in fact they were innocent.

But this thread is about Bamber. And on the evidence presented, I agree with the jury.

Report smirnoff2therescue May 11, 2021 12:18 AM BST
Read loadsa books/seen loadsa docs ova past 30 odd years where one side or the other has been dramatised for tv but at end of the day its wot is produced in court that ultimately counts - and yes i know there hav been massive miscarriages of justice but im on the 1.01 side he did it ShockedShockedShocked
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 8:59 AM BST
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What docu is this? cant see any on ch5 catch up about it

James I couldn’t find it but it is on you tube. It’s the one 5 months ago... “White House Farm Murders The Lost Evidence” on you tube

Personally after watching the case years ago and how bamber was portrayed then, I thought he was a callous killer

1, However after watching this and seeing the phone call from his dad to police (never published) and bamber himself I have serious doubts

2, the fact someone was alive in the house while bamber was outside

3, the silencer evidence is suspect,  especially considering it was only found after the 2 cousins ( inherited house) had been in house, also the blood samples are suspect?

4, the burning of all the evidence from police

5, the hacksaw blade found on the window that wasn’t found previously

6, the psychologist who said, the daughter who was only released 2 days previous from hospital, had said she may kill the children

7, bambers girlfriend, who heard bamber (who was clearly a womaniser) on the phone to another woman, before going to police on her 37th interview to say he wanted to kill his parents

8, the police were pretty certain it was a murder/suicide within a day, hence the burning of evidence

9, bodies moved at the scene

10, a bullsite story that bamber made a bike ride to slay the family

Many other things say bamber isn’t guilty, he may of been a man who loved a lifestyle of womanising and having a good time, however it seems people thought because of this, he couldn’t give a monkeys and he was just heartless it doesn’t however make him a slayer and the fact he has been portrayed to us through television a callous killer, it seems to me he has been framed as the evidence just doesn’t stack up at all.

Comments, don’t ever become an odds compiler trout and facts never become a judge and enjoy the documentaryGrin
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 9:18 AM BST
This is cracking read from the guardian in 2011

Is Jeremy Bamber innocent?
Jeremy Bamber was convicted of killing five members of his family in 1985 and is one of only 38 prisoners serving a whole-life sentence. But does new evidence show he didn't do it?
Jeremy Bamber 1986
Jeremy Bamber is driven to prison in 1986 after being convicted of killing his mother, father, sister and her twin sons. Photograph: Trinity Mirror/Mirrorpix/Alamy
Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
Thu 10 Feb 2011 20.
Jeremy Bamber is thinking about how he has maintained his sanity over 25 years in prison. His answer is quietly shocking. He walks and talks with his family – his mother, his sister, her twin sons and particularly his father. In short, he gets solace from the memory of the very family he was convicted of slaying 26 years ago. "In my mind, I walk with my Dad more than anybody on a daily basis and think, how would he cope with it, what would he think about it all?" He comes to a stuttering stop. You can hear the pain in his voice. "How I cope is quite an emotional thing for me to talk about."

Bamber is one of only 38 prisoners in England and Wales serving a whole-life sentence, and the only one of them to protest his innocence. The list is as chilling as it is exclusive – Bamber is in the company of Rose West, Dennis Nilsen, Peter Sutcliffe and Ian Brady. The judge at his trial described him as "warped and evil beyond belief". If he committed the crimes he has been convicted of, he deserves his notoriety.

Yet Bamber has always protested his innocence. The Guardian has corresponded with him over five years, during which time dozens of letters have been exchanged. His are written in block capitals, breathless in their intensity, polite, largely impersonal and almost wholly concerned with the evidence. They are not a light read. He expects those interested in his case to be as well drilled in the minutiae as he is. If Bamber is telling the truth, he is a victim of one of Britain's worst miscarriages of justice.

To decipher the letters one has to learn the courtroom shorthand – DRB1, a reference to the "sound moderator", or silencer. PV19? A bullet fragment. RWC1, the paint sample taken from the kitchen, where Nevill Bamber was killed. And so it goes on, with references to the thousands of exhibits, documents and photographs.

Bamber is clever and strategic. He has courted a number of news organisations over the years. He divides the evidence he has gathered and packages "exclusives" to different newspapers. The Guardian has made repeated requests to interview him, but has always been blocked by the Ministry of Justice. So it was a surprise when a member of staff at Full Sutton prison, near York, asked whether we were willing to accept phone calls from Bamber, AKA prisoner A5352AC.

It was late January when he rang, just before he was due to hear from the Criminal Cases Review Commission whether his case would be referred for a rare third appeal. He said he had saved money so he could afford half an hour on the phone. This Bamber sounded quite different from the letter writer – talkative, human, dealing in emotions. We didn't need to deal with all his new information – he had already painstakingly laid out how he had recently discovered evidence that suggested the crime scene had been used for training purposes by more than 40 officers from the firearms support unit just hours after the murders, which may have corrupted evidence; how bodies seem to have been moved; how freshly disclosed Essex police files appeared to challenge the assertion that Bamber was the killer.

On 7 August 1985, Bamber's mother, father, sister and her six-year-old boys were shot dead at the parents' farmhouse in the Essex countryside. It was a sensational story, a classic whodunit – a whole family murdered, a substantial inheritance to be fought over, complex relationships with adopted children, and a glamorous model known as Bambi at the heart of it.

Bamber at his family's funeral, 1985
Bamber in tears at his family's funeral in 1985, supported by his then girlfriend Julie Mugford. Photograph: Peter Davies/McLellan
That night, Bamber rang the police saying he had just received a panicked call from his father Nevill saying his daughter Sheila had picked up one of his shooting rifles and had gone "crazy". By the time the police entered the house, all five were dead.[b] The gun was found by Sheila's side, fresh blood still oozing from her mouth. It looked as if she had killed her mother and father and her twin boys before turning the gun on herself
. It all seemed to make sense in a terrible way – a woman who had recently been diagnosed with schizophrenia had broken down. But then the story took an unexpected turn. Bamber's girlfriend, Julie Mugford, whom he had two-timed, claimed he had confessed to her his plans to hire a hitman to murder the family and that hours before the shooting he had told her: "Tonight's the night." The man named was a local plumber, who was arrested with Bamber. The plumber had a cast-iron alibi for that night and both were released.

A month after the killings, Bamber's cousins found a silencer with flecks of blood on it in a cupboard in the farmhouse – this would have ruled out Sheila being the killer because, with the silencer on the rifle, her arms would not have been long enough to reach the trigger to kill herself, and it left Bamber as the only suspect. Bamber was charged and the prosecution argued he was a greedy schemer who, motivated by the prospect of inheriting the £436,000 family fortune and considerable land, had killed all five then placed the rifle in his sister's hands to make it look like a murder-suicide. He was found guilty in a 10-2 majority verdict and given five life sentences, upgraded to whole life in 1994.

There was something about Bamber that made him unsympathetic to the public. He was handsome in a rather cruel, caddish way – he seemed to exude arrogance and indifference. In court, when the prosecution accused him of lying, he replied: "That is what you have to establish." Like Meursault in the Camus novel L'Etranger, he did not seem to display the appropriate emotions. Or at least not when the press had its lens fixed on him. More tales emerged about his callousness – how he had spent money with abandon after his parents' death, how he was living the life of a playboy. And then there was his sister, the other suspect – Sheila (known as Bambi) was so blessed with her beauty, so vulnerable with her illness, few people wanted to believe she could have been the killer.

Jeremy Bamber in 1988
Bamber in 1988, just before the first appeal against his conviction. Photograph: Today/Rex Features
So Bamber went to jail, and ever since he has told anyone who would listen that he is innocent. He sieved his way through myriad documents, trying to piece together another version of what could have happened that night at White House Farm. He became a legal expert, stayed up into the early hours every night reading his own case notes, he courted sympathetic journalists, wrote to legal experts, challenged the very basis on which he had been convicted.

And gradually it emerged that the investigation had been, at best, flawed: the police had not searched the farmhouse properly; a call from Bamber's father to the police, saying his daughter had gone "berserk", had not been disclosed to the jury; officers had said they had seen somebody moving inside the house before they entered while Bamber was standing next to them. How had the police failed to find a silencer in the cupboard? Why was it not revealed that the people who did find it – the cousins – stood to benefit from Bamber going to jail by inheriting the property. Why had so many people been allowed to trudge through the crime scene, contaminating so much of the evidence? Why did scratch marks on the kitchen mantelpiece that suggested a struggle not exist in the original scene-of- crime photos?

The new evidence on the marks is perhaps the most compelling. The trial judge, in his summing up, told the jury: "On the evidence of the scratch marks alone you may find Mr Bamber guilty." But the photographs they were shown were taken after the silencer was discovered. Photographs taken on the day of the shootings and not disclosed at trial have emerged showing there were no scratch marks, which contradicts the evidence of a struggle – a completely different picture to the one presented to the jury.

Bamber appealed for the first time in 1989 on the grounds that the judge had summed the case up unfairly. He was finally granted a second appeal in 2002. Bamber's team argued that vital evidence had not been disclosed or had been fabricated, most of it relating to the silencer and the blood testing. The silencer was found to contain blood, but it could not be established if it was human or animal. But in a 522-point judgment, the three judges concluded that no conduct on behalf of the police or the prosecution would have adversely affected the jury, and that the more they examined the details, the more they thought the jury had reached the right conclusion.

When he lost that appeal, Bamber says, it was "as if the light had gone out". How did he feel? "Desolate. I felt abandoned. It was just before Christmas that they gave me that decision and I remember that Christmas Day I had jam and toast because I'd not put in menu slips for my dinner." He had expected to be home for Christmas. "I felt I was the laughing stock of the jail in that I had told people I was going to win and I didn't. I felt friendless."

His case should be referred back to the appeal court imminently. And Bamber is convinced that, this time, his conviction has to be overturned. "I shall feel hope again. I shall feel that maybe, finally, my position, which I've held for 26 years, will be validated."

Bamber was 24 when he was convicted, and has been in prison more than half his life. He is fit, but he is only too aware of life passing him by. "I'm an old man now. I'm 50 and I feel it," he says. If this is a miscarriage of justice, it is the worst kind of double whammy – not simply convicted of murder, but of murdering those you love. Has he managed to grieve for the family he is convicted of killing? "I think what helped is that I was out for their funerals. It wasn't until almost two months later that I was arrested, so I have grieved to some degree, but I'm not sure I have grieved enough. But I cope . . . I just have happy memories."

If he is cleared, he says, he will feel he has defended the family's honour. "I will feel proud that if Mum and Dad were around, they would be proud that I had the self-discipline and staying power to keep with this as long as I have." And this is when you realise just how complex his relationship is with his family. In finding him guilty of the massacre, he believes the court besmirched his family name. If his sister is guilty, it does not in any way lessen the horror, but it is less shaming because she was ill.

Nevill and June Bamber adopted Jeremy when he was six weeks old. He was the son of a vicar's daughter who had an affair with a married army sergeant. (His sister Sheila was adopted a few years later.) He was sent to a private boarding school in Norfolk, then went to college in Colchester and, after spending time in Australia and New Zealand, he returned to work on the farm for £170 a week. At the time of the murders, he lived in a cottage owned by his father three miles away from the family farm.

What was life like on the farm? "Idyllic," he says. "It can be quite a solitary life, but I am a person who's quite happy with my own company. Mum and Dad were wonderful people, very kind, very gentle, very honest people. I loved them with all my heart and they were my mum and dad. I resent the 'adopted child', because I never saw myself as an adopted child."

If he is lying, he is a disturbingly good actor. Five years ago, he took and passed a lie-detector test. He has seen numerous therapists and psychiatrists in his time in prison, none of whom has suggested that he is mentally unstable, let alone a psychopath.

He says he and Sheila were close when they were growing up. "She looked after me, she cared for me and when I was 14/15 and she was modelling, I loved going up to London, staying with her and going out with all her modelling mates."

But ultimately, he says, when she became ill they weren't close enough. "Schizophrenia, especially if it's coupled with paranoia, can be the most devastating illness. I certainly take my share of the blame for not supporting her. And I wish I had visited her when she was in hospital. I was growing up and starting relationships and building a life for myself and I probably didn't listen and care and learn enough about Sheila's condition and give her the support I should have done. Had I done, maybe she would have been able to cope with the world – I don't know."

Sheila married at 20 in 1977, sons Daniel and Nicholas were born two years later, and by 1982 she was divorced. In 1983, suicidal and paranoid, she was hospitalised and put on anti-psychotic drugs. In March 1985, she was readmitted – delusional, obsessed with the nature of good and evil and admitting to disturbed ideas about her mother. (June Bamber had also suffered a mental breakdown when Bamber was in his late teens – her illness, coupled with her religious fervour, created a rift between mother and adopted daughter). Again, Sheila was put on anti-psychotic drugs. Four months later, she was dead.

Her Bible was found by her side, open at pages containing Psalms 51-55. Eminent theologian Susan Gillingham has prepared a report on the significance of these psalms, in relation to Sheila's mental state and religious mania. She says anyone who knew the psalms well would turn to them as a means of "expressing their own penitence at the evil within themselves and outrage at the evil words and actions performed against them by others". Astonishingly, the bloodstained Bible was never forensically examined, nor produced at trial, despite repeated requests from Bamber's solicitor. So the jury was not aware of the significance of the psalms. Photographs also showed a handwritten note sticking up from between the pages of the Bible. The words at the top of the note are "love one another" – the same words were written on a banner on a wall in a room in Jonestown, Guyana, where 909 people died in 1978 in a mass murder-suicide. But the evidential value of what was inside the Bible cannot now be gauged; Essex police have informed Bamber's lawyers that the note has been destroyed.

Hugh Ferguson, Sheila's psychiatrist, gave evidence at the trial. In a statement made in 2002, he says he was unaware that the Bible was open at the psalms at the time he gave evidence. Having read them, he says, "they contain in them the themes which, over time, I knew were exercising Sheila Caffell. In short form, the struggle between good and evil, or God and the Devil."

Nor was Ferguson, or the jury, aware of another factor that may have influenced Sheila to carry out the killings. At the trial, Bamber said his sister was upset at the prospect of losing her children, but the prosecution accused him of making this up.

Last week, the Guardian was passed a letter, written by Sheila's ex-husband, Colin Caffell, to Nevill Bamber. In it, Caffell expresses deep concern about Sheila's mental state and asks his father-in law-to "try and convince Sheila that it would be better for her and the boys if they stayed with me most of the time". Ferguson says if Nevill had pleaded Caffell's case to Sheila, it could have had a "potentially catastrophic effect on her". As a result, he says, "she may have projected on to her father a concept of evil".

How does Bamber feel about his sister today? "I don't blame her, and I still love her." For somebody who protests his innocence so vehemently, he shows a remarkable lack of bitterness. "Oh, I have been terrible, but I don't feel it now. That just eats you up, fills you full of hate, gives you ulcers and lines around your eyes and you look horrible. I have resented Sheila and hated her over the years, but I don't any more. I understand."

One of the things that seemed to sway public opinion against Bamber was a photograph of him smiling outside the court, apparently without a worry in the world. "I was smiling because my mates were on the pavement and they were all cheering me on. And I was giving them that encouraging smile, 'I'm OK, lads, don't worry.' I understand a picture tells a thousand stories, but we all know the media can snap that split second and not put it in context." It's one of the things that seems to upset him most – the idea that he is universally reviled.[/b]

When he was first convicted, he was convinced he would be out in no time. Nine years later, he was told that he would never be released. How did that feel? He stammers his way towards an answer. "I . . . I . . . just found that incredible that they could hand you a death sentence using old age as the tool when I'd already been sentenced to 25 years in jail." Even then, he says, he never believed he would be in jail for good. "I have never contemplated the thought that I'm not going to win."

But there is, of course, every chance that Bamber won't win – there is a small possibility that he will not win the right to his third appeal, and the greater possibility that the conviction will be upheld at appeal. Well, if that happens, he says, he'll just have to continue fighting. He claims he's holding back some new evidence just in case he needs to fight for another appeal.

And if he is released? "I'll be able to relax on a Dorset beach and watch the waves crashing, walking, hearing the birds sing, and hopefully have someone around me, or people around me, who I love and they love me. Just simple things." He would like to write a book on motivational techniques – to help people to cope, not just in prison but with illness and bereavement.

All this is a long way from the playboy image. "I've never been a playboy," he says quietly. "I've only been to a few nightclubs in my life. I've only had a few girlfriends in my life."

There is a classic image of people who have had their convictions quashed – say, the Guildford Four or Birmingham Six – standing on the steps of the court of appeal, triumphant. Does Bamber ever imagine himself in that pose? "Absolutely," he says. "I've got a drawing that a friend did for me of me standing on the steps with my hands raised. It's on my wall, and I look at it all the time and visualise the day."
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 9:18 AM BST
The gun was found by Sheila's side, fresh blood still oozing from her mouth. It looked as if she had killed her mother and father and her twin boys before turning the gun on herself.
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 9:19 AM BST
How can fresh blood be found oozing from her mouth if he’s the killer outside for hour?
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 9:19 AM BST
Report cardifffc May 11, 2021 10:07 AM BST
greenteeth...can i have a bit of that 66s on the daughter
Report cardifffc May 11, 2021 10:13 AM BST was a 10\2 majority verdict so not all thought he was guilty
Report snowynoon May 11, 2021 12:07 PM BST
thanks for posting that Harry ,a good read ,and i saw a bit of the documentary a couple of years ago ,and there are certainly doubts about his conviction for me .
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 12:23 PM BST
Well worth watching the new one on you tube snowy from channel 5 , it certainly makes you take the blinkers off, hopefully it might convince the hangmen on here a little

We wait for their verdict as that will be finalGrin

Can’t waitHappy
Report 1st time poster May 11, 2021 1:03 PM BST
the same docu,s dont run the reasons ,evidence people are convicted on alongside the stuff they sayh makes them innocent
on the marske couple and their missing son,the reporter says he had only an hour to do something because of football
not a single piece of evidence to collaborate he was at boro game,not a single shred of evidence his wife or son walked to saltburn
they could have killed him hr,s,days,weeks before their timeline
Report 1st time poster May 11, 2021 1:05 PM BST
and every witness the couple /reporter brought forward to prove he was alive after timeline was from their
friends down the club
friends from bowling
friends from pub
their friends from football
not a single sighting from anyone not connected to the couple
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 11, 2021 1:34 PM BST
was she trained in the use of firearms? stop 100 random females on the high st,not 1 would have a clue to do remove and load a filfe magazine..let alone be aclomished enough to murder her family with precision.
Report harry callaghan May 11, 2021 1:58 PM BST
Blood on Sheila’s Hands
Sheila’s hands were not clean as the prosecution claimed. Again there are no photographs disclosed of the undersides of her hands. One could wonder why that is? It is possible that she had washed them as people in psychotic states do undertake cleaning rituals. Nevertheless, high resolution photographs of her hands show blood on the front of her right hand and also on the front and sides of her fingers. There is now no reasonable argument that Sheila’s hands and feet were clean of blood.

Sheila’s Nails
Contrary to another popular myth, Sheila’s nails were not ‘perfectly manicured.' They were long, red, painted nails and although it appeared they were intact, the polish had been chipped badly, and the same can be said of her toe nails. Part of her toe nail polish was found on the floor in the kitchen below the mantle placing Sheila at the scene of the attack on Nevill in the kitchen. Forensic expert Peter Sutherst confirmed this, saying: “The red object is not paint from the mantle shelf. It is more likely to be a particle of red nail varnish from Sheila Caffell’s right foot since it is a close match in hue to her varnish and also matches damage to the varnish on her right big toe.”[4] As you can see from the page on the rifle, it was a firearm that was very easy for anyone to use. It was lightweight, and having long fingernails is not an issue for millions of women who work in a variety of jobs as well as cleaning the house or looking after children. The prosecution argument about Sheila’s nails being an impediment to her dexterity was simply not a valid one.

DNA Exhibits
All DNA exhibits, including Sheila’s night dress but apart from the sound moderator, were destroyed in 1996 and dumped at an incineration site off the North Circular Road in London despite a court order to preserve them. [5] No one has been investigated or charged for this wholly illegal act in the destruction of valuable exhibits in a case where a whole life tariff prisoner maintains innocence.

Sheila Didn’t know how to use a gun
It is an absurd suggestion that the daughter of a farmer, who grew up on a farm during the 60’s and 70’s before gun laws were tightened, who had a brother who used rifles and who herself went to shooting parties, did not know how to fire a weapon. This aside, even if Sheila had never actually picked up a gun before, there was one sitting on the settle in front of her in the scullery on the night of the tragedies, the magazine loaded and ready to fire and more bullets on the side waiting to be used. The family were all shot at very close range, most shots within a few inches, the furthest being 4 feet away. In a phrase similar to that of author Scott Lomax: “ this distance how could anyone be expected to miss?”
David Boutflour and Anthony Pargeter had already agreed with DCI Jones in a meeting that Sheila was capable of carrying out the killings.[6] Both of them were experienced in the use of firearms. David told the court, after being asked repeatedly by Mr Rivlin QC for the Defence, that he thought he had seen Sheila firing off a gun at a shooting party in Scotland, though in the first part of the transcript he appears not to remember it at all! Peter Eaton told the City of London Police he too had seen Sheila with a gun but this only appears in his handwritten drafts and is omitted from the final typed statement.
Report scaredmoney May 11, 2021 2:04 PM BST
greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy • May 11, 2021 1:34 PM BST
was she trained in the use of firearms? stop 100 random females on the high st,not 1 would have a clue to do remove and load a filfe magazine..let alone be aclomished enough to murder her family with precision.

Brought up on a farm....wouldnt surprise if she could shoot not long after walking
Report scaredmoney May 11, 2021 2:06 PM BST
Hadnt read Harrys post before i posted , sorry
Report casemoney May 11, 2021 2:09 PM BST
Imagine moving in there after what had happened , The old family were straight in ,the decent thing to do was level the place .
Report donb May 11, 2021 2:12 PM BST
Is  this not all rather academic.  With all he evidence destroyed and those involved sticking to their stories then he has little or no chance of overturning this.  The police can and do make mistakes, when these are compounded by corruption or incompetence then the chances of getting a fair outcome are zero.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 11, 2021 2:24 PM BST

Brought up on a farm....wouldnt surprise if she could shoot not long after walking

you watch our yorkshire farm?  9 kids..never seen any using a firearm.
Report cardifffc May 11, 2021 2:26 PM BST
says in the documentary she went shooting from an early age confirmed by quite a few people
Report scaredmoney May 11, 2021 2:42 PM BST
i dont watch a lot of tv steve
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