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Gaze733
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15 profitable months, 2 break-even months, 0 losing months what could go wrong? He's actually had 37 out of 40 winning months when transferring the results from another site. I've been following him for over a year so I know he's genuine.

So I purchased a yearly subscription in january and you know what happened? Since March he went on a 160pt losing run, based on a 75pt starting bankroll. YTD results are -80 pts. I thought this would be the only service that wouldn't have a nightmare run after I subscribe, but they ALL do. Back in the day I subscribed to a service that had a profit in 12 out of 12 months, and suddenly they started churning out -40% roi selections until they went out of business. It's always the same scenario, no matter how improbable based on previous results.
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Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 1:35 PM BST
The funny thing is, people here would call him a guesser based on his latest results lol.
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 1:39 PM BST
I always think "with results like that, the worst thing that could happen is that we break even" but it's always much worse.
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 4, 2021 1:42 PM BST
      PYO.
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 1:45 PM BST
what?
Report stewarts rise May 4, 2021 2:00 PM BST
Thought with your success Gaze that you'd be selling the tips!Grin
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 4, 2021 2:13 PM BST
silly gaze been catfished.wafdsc.
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 2:20 PM BST
How was I catfished? I know it's always the same guy, he just has the worst run ever because I subscribed.

Stewarts I will, soon. Gotta show these people how to have 0 losing months.
Report Smoggy May 4, 2021 2:25 PM BST
You’ve just gone further down in my estimation. Didn’t think that was possible. What a plonker.
Report The Management May 4, 2021 2:52 PM BST
Gaze - when I get 10 minutes (probably this evening) - currently trying to juggle mowing 3 lawns and having a few bets - I will share with you the Holy Grail of tipstering - the inside secret that all the best tipsterers employ to make them successful - then you will be able to follow your dream of launching a service and picking out a yacht.

^ thinly veiled I've got a big garden! - but I will post later.
Report Brian May 4, 2021 2:53 PM BST
Stop digging Gaze.
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 3:03 PM BST
I guess everyone here either: 1. never subscribed to a service or 2. they did and never had a run that lost the entire recommended bankroll.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 4, 2021 3:27 PM BST
massive database..giggamug selections and subscribing to tipsters..

wafdsc you really are.
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 3:42 PM BST
He's the only one I'm subscribed to.

And you're the FDSC for not subscribing to anyone. A lot of punters are fundamentally opposed to tipsters for some dumb reason, regardless of whether they're long-term winners or losers.

Let's say punter A has a 10k bankroll. Let's say that for 40 quid a month he could grow it to 20k in 4 months. Profit +9860 for sacrificing 5 minutes a day.

But he's too prideful to pay someone so he's going to miss out on the winnings like a DC.

Punter B has the same bankroll but he's a massive long-term loser and he's not going to pay anyone for tips either. He loses the entire 10k in a month.
Report Hayden May 4, 2021 3:45 PM BST
Statistics don't give answers , they merely provoke more questions.
Report Manoleeds May 4, 2021 3:46 PM BST
Give us a clue as to who it was then
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 3:51 PM BST
Why, the name is not important, it's about the principle. And I don't want to badmouth someone when it might be just bad variance. He says he's better during the flat season so we'll see if May will also be a disaster, but he didn't start well.
Report tanglefoot May 4, 2021 4:00 PM BST
He says he’s better during the flat season,why would he say anything else,he has the fish on the hook.
Report stewarts rise May 4, 2021 4:16 PM BST
Better get yourself some maths lessons Gaze!
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy May 4, 2021 4:26 PM BST
callisto moon just texted me..gaze was his only subscriber.
Report The Management May 4, 2021 5:06 PM BST
Here you go Gazey - the secret to successful tipstering:

Where you are going wrong is after-timing the winners. In terms of conning people into thinking you are well informed or good at the game, this is the wrong approach - granted there are some pretty thick folk in the world - but even they are wise after the event and can see that you have just picked the winner after the race is over. Abandon this approach asap.

The one thing that all the successful tipsterers, spivs and conmen have in common is that they after-time the prices rather than after-timing the selections. From Hugh Taylor, Andy Holding, All the pricewise fellas and even Birchy bets - they all do this.

Forget the selections - they really don't matter - focus on putting up fictional prices - Birchy is my fav because he has no shame whatsoever - he goes for the real shorties (so in percentage terms) he is telling the biggest lies - but they're all at it. When you put up the selection (go for the obvious price rick the night before), it's still 9/4 with MongoliaBet.com but generally now 13/8 - tip that one as your selection but (and this is the important bit) advise it at 11/4 and say you are having £300 Each Way.

That's a Birchy Bets special - but all of the other tipsterers that are in profit are only in profit to their Pretendy Wendy prices that either never existed or existed for a micro-second to a £2 stake with CasinoMugsOnly.com.

There you have it - the secret to successful tipstering - and thrown in for no extra charge (in the unlikely event that you ever get to the stage where you truly understand prices yourself) the secret to successful puntering.

PS - I have a machine that prints perfect £50 notes - I have made so much money from it that rather than relax on the beach - I spend a lot of my spare time trying to sell these machines to other people for £50.
Report Manoleeds May 4, 2021 5:08 PM BST
It wouldn't be bad mouthing -all you have to say is "I subscribed to Seaside/Callisto Moon/xxxx  (delete as appropriate) and I've done 80 points since January . He says he is better on the flat and I hope so or I'm my subcription plus £80 down" .
Report slickster May 4, 2021 5:37 PM BST
Birch should just be put down. For many reasons, not just the obvious ones.
Report tanglefoot May 4, 2021 5:55 PM BST
The Management,never a truer word.Grin
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 6:35 PM BST
Bad Analogy TM. There is a difference between selling a money-making system and selling the picks from the system. Secondly, the system needs a dedicated full-time manual operator, and sharing the output only takes minutes. Thirdly, winning is not as easy as doing nothing while waiting for perfect £50 notes to come out.
Report The Management May 4, 2021 6:43 PM BST
Winning for real or pretending you are winning (tipstering) - it makes no different Gazey - it's all about the prices.

You are still looking for a miracle system that will feed you profitable selections - but all selections are profitable if you understand prices.
Report TameTheTiger May 4, 2021 6:48 PM BST
The Management is spot on
Report Gaze733 May 4, 2021 7:06 PM BST
System 1 makes 100 points from 200 bets - good system
System 2 makes -100 points from 200 bets - bad system, but it was actually tested as a lay system so it's good

I back the former and lay the latter. I don't need fantasy prices.
Report The Management May 4, 2021 7:11 PM BST
I give up! - Let's just say - You win (but you won't!) Cry
Report Ramruma May 5, 2021 1:41 PM BST
Has everyone looked at the graph linked to in OP that shows 0 to £60,000 in a year and a half?

... which jumps £20k from £30,000 to £50,000 in a single month.
Report Gaze733 May 5, 2021 3:42 PM BST
it was some monster treble if I remember correctly
Report Gaze733 May 5, 2021 3:43 PM BST
in fact I posted about it here, all 3 horses were drifters
Report Shanelee1966 May 6, 2021 4:11 PM BST
Report General Midwinter May 6, 2021 7:53 PM BST
Gaze, you should listen to The Management. He is absolutely correct in this. If you can't get the price the advice is worthless.
Report madhatters May 6, 2021 8:59 PM BST
Have you tried Glentobymugbets ?
If you want to lose your bankroll quicker Grin
Claimed 80% SR
Can only think that was the losers
Report geordie1956 May 6, 2021 9:30 PM BST
ask the question ... why are they selling their tips?
if they were successful they would surely back them on the the exchanges where they won't get banned & keep the midas secret to themselves & reap the rewards
the alternate view is they are sh1t but publish false or misleading past results ... the mugs sign up ... then the losses accrue
as has been said ... the price is key ... if you can't get anywhere near the odds they quote you can't win
Report geoff m May 7, 2021 1:42 PM BST
The Management has it bang on re price. Doesnt matter about selection.

Random stick of the pin if you can get the best prices available via Betfair you will win
If you take the worst you will lose.

So does yer selection really matter @ allLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Marlas_Magic May 7, 2021 4:23 PM BST
I havent posted in ages but were you not suspicious of the graph? Who on earth has been doing this for a long time where you see so many steady consistent months. If it is pre off betting it just doesnt happen like that. Noone can be consistent like that. Will have much bigger winning months and months where losing/breaking even.

I always used to be of the opinion why would you sell tips etc. Why not just back them all yourself. However, given the swings and variance of the game why would you leave so much money on the table if you can still get your bets on without them being affected. Feels like a no brainer. It just means that if you earn 30/40k from selling stuff that a breakeven year betting is still an ok year instead of a losing year.
Report Marlas_Magic May 7, 2021 4:23 PM BST
I havent posted in ages but were you not suspicious of the graph? Who on earth has been doing this for a long time where you see so many steady consistent months. If it is pre off betting it just doesnt happen like that. Noone can be consistent like that. Will have much bigger winning months and months where losing/breaking even.

I always used to be of the opinion why would you sell tips etc. Why not just back them all yourself. However, given the swings and variance of the game why would you leave so much money on the table if you can still get your bets on without them being affected. Feels like a no brainer. It just means that if you earn 30/40k from selling stuff that a breakeven year betting is still an ok year instead of a losing year.
Report Shanelee1966 May 7, 2021 5:05 PM BST
One word for them... scroungers, simple as that.
Report steerforth May 7, 2021 7:10 PM BST
Whisper it quietly. Has he gone? Penny dropped?
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