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15 profitable months, 2 break-even months, 0 losing months what could go wrong? He's actually had 37 out of 40 winning months when transferring the results from another site. I've been following him for over a year so I know he's genuine.

So I purchased a yearly subscription in january and you know what happened? Since March he went on a 160pt losing run, based on a 75pt starting bankroll. YTD results are -80 pts. I thought this would be the only service that wouldn't have a nightmare run after I subscribe, but they ALL do. Back in the day I subscribed to a service that had a profit in 12 out of 12 months, and suddenly they started churning out -40% roi selections until they went out of business. It's always the same scenario, no matter how improbable based on previous results.

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By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 12:35
The funny thing is, people here would call him a guesser based on his latest results lol.
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 12:39
I always think "with results like that, the worst thing that could happen is that we break even" but it's always much worse.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 04 May 21 12:42
      PYO.
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 12:45
what?
By:
stewarts rise
When: 04 May 21 13:00
Thought with your success Gaze that you'd be selling the tips!Grin
By:
greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy
When: 04 May 21 13:13
silly gaze been catfished.wafdsc.
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 13:20
How was I catfished? I know it's always the same guy, he just has the worst run ever because I subscribed.

Stewarts I will, soon. Gotta show these people how to have 0 losing months.
By:
Smoggy
When: 04 May 21 13:25
You’ve just gone further down in my estimation. Didn’t think that was possible. What a plonker.
By:
The Management
When: 04 May 21 13:52
Gaze - when I get 10 minutes (probably this evening) - currently trying to juggle mowing 3 lawns and having a few bets - I will share with you the Holy Grail of tipstering - the inside secret that all the best tipsterers employ to make them successful - then you will be able to follow your dream of launching a service and picking out a yacht.

^ thinly veiled I've got a big garden! - but I will post later.
By:
Brian
When: 04 May 21 13:53
Stop digging Gaze.
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 14:03
I guess everyone here either: 1. never subscribed to a service or 2. they did and never had a run that lost the entire recommended bankroll.
By:
greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy
When: 04 May 21 14:27
massive database..giggamug selections and subscribing to tipsters..

wafdsc you really are.
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 14:42
He's the only one I'm subscribed to.

And you're the FDSC for not subscribing to anyone. A lot of punters are fundamentally opposed to tipsters for some dumb reason, regardless of whether they're long-term winners or losers.

Let's say punter A has a 10k bankroll. Let's say that for 40 quid a month he could grow it to 20k in 4 months. Profit +9860 for sacrificing 5 minutes a day.

But he's too prideful to pay someone so he's going to miss out on the winnings like a DC.

Punter B has the same bankroll but he's a massive long-term loser and he's not going to pay anyone for tips either. He loses the entire 10k in a month.
By:
Hayden
When: 04 May 21 14:45
Statistics don't give answers , they merely provoke more questions.
By:
Manoleeds
When: 04 May 21 14:46
Give us a clue as to who it was then
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 14:51
Why, the name is not important, it's about the principle. And I don't want to badmouth someone when it might be just bad variance. He says he's better during the flat season so we'll see if May will also be a disaster, but he didn't start well.
By:
tanglefoot
When: 04 May 21 15:00
He says he’s better during the flat season,why would he say anything else,he has the fish on the hook.
By:
stewarts rise
When: 04 May 21 15:16
Better get yourself some maths lessons Gaze!
By:
greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy
When: 04 May 21 15:26
callisto moon just texted me..gaze was his only subscriber.
By:
The Management
When: 04 May 21 16:06
Here you go Gazey - the secret to successful tipstering:

Where you are going wrong is after-timing the winners. In terms of conning people into thinking you are well informed or good at the game, this is the wrong approach - granted there are some pretty thick folk in the world - but even they are wise after the event and can see that you have just picked the winner after the race is over. Abandon this approach asap.

The one thing that all the successful tipsterers, spivs and conmen have in common is that they after-time the prices rather than after-timing the selections. From Hugh Taylor, Andy Holding, All the pricewise fellas and even Birchy bets - they all do this.

Forget the selections - they really don't matter - focus on putting up fictional prices - Birchy is my fav because he has no shame whatsoever - he goes for the real shorties (so in percentage terms) he is telling the biggest lies - but they're all at it. When you put up the selection (go for the obvious price rick the night before), it's still 9/4 with MongoliaBet.com but generally now 13/8 - tip that one as your selection but (and this is the important bit) advise it at 11/4 and say you are having £300 Each Way.

That's a Birchy Bets special - but all of the other tipsterers that are in profit are only in profit to their Pretendy Wendy prices that either never existed or existed for a micro-second to a £2 stake with CasinoMugsOnly.com.

There you have it - the secret to successful tipstering - and thrown in for no extra charge (in the unlikely event that you ever get to the stage where you truly understand prices yourself) the secret to successful puntering.

PS - I have a machine that prints perfect £50 notes - I have made so much money from it that rather than relax on the beach - I spend a lot of my spare time trying to sell these machines to other people for £50.
By:
Manoleeds
When: 04 May 21 16:08
It wouldn't be bad mouthing -all you have to say is "I subscribed to Seaside/Callisto Moon/xxxx  (delete as appropriate) and I've done 80 points since January . He says he is better on the flat and I hope so or I'm my subcription plus £80 down" .
By:
slickster
When: 04 May 21 16:37
Birch should just be put down. For many reasons, not just the obvious ones.
By:
tanglefoot
When: 04 May 21 16:55
The Management,never a truer word.Grin
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 17:35
Bad Analogy TM. There is a difference between selling a money-making system and selling the picks from the system. Secondly, the system needs a dedicated full-time manual operator, and sharing the output only takes minutes. Thirdly, winning is not as easy as doing nothing while waiting for perfect £50 notes to come out.
By:
The Management
When: 04 May 21 17:43
Winning for real or pretending you are winning (tipstering) - it makes no different Gazey - it's all about the prices.

You are still looking for a miracle system that will feed you profitable selections - but all selections are profitable if you understand prices.
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 04 May 21 17:48
The Management is spot on
By:
Gaze733
When: 04 May 21 18:06
System 1 makes 100 points from 200 bets - good system
System 2 makes -100 points from 200 bets - bad system, but it was actually tested as a lay system so it's good

I back the former and lay the latter. I don't need fantasy prices.
By:
The Management
When: 04 May 21 18:11
I give up! - Let's just say - You win (but you won't!) Cry
By:
Ramruma
When: 05 May 21 12:41
Has everyone looked at the graph linked to in OP that shows 0 to £60,000 in a year and a half?

... which jumps £20k from £30,000 to £50,000 in a single month.
By:
Gaze733
When: 05 May 21 14:42
it was some monster treble if I remember correctly
By:
Gaze733
When: 05 May 21 14:43
in fact I posted about it here, all 3 horses were drifters
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 06 May 21 15:11
By:
General Midwinter
When: 06 May 21 18:53
Gaze, you should listen to The Management. He is absolutely correct in this. If you can't get the price the advice is worthless.
By:
madhatters
When: 06 May 21 19:59
Have you tried Glentobymugbets ?
If you want to lose your bankroll quicker Grin
Claimed 80% SR
Can only think that was the losers
By:
geordie1956
When: 06 May 21 20:30
ask the question ... why are they selling their tips?
if they were successful they would surely back them on the the exchanges where they won't get banned & keep the midas secret to themselves & reap the rewards
the alternate view is they are sh1t but publish false or misleading past results ... the mugs sign up ... then the losses accrue
as has been said ... the price is key ... if you can't get anywhere near the odds they quote you can't win
By:
geoff m
When: 07 May 21 12:42
The Management has it bang on re price. Doesnt matter about selection.

Random stick of the pin if you can get the best prices available via Betfair you will win
If you take the worst you will lose.

So does yer selection really matter @ allLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Marlas_Magic
When: 07 May 21 15:23
I havent posted in ages but were you not suspicious of the graph? Who on earth has been doing this for a long time where you see so many steady consistent months. If it is pre off betting it just doesnt happen like that. Noone can be consistent like that. Will have much bigger winning months and months where losing/breaking even.

I always used to be of the opinion why would you sell tips etc. Why not just back them all yourself. However, given the swings and variance of the game why would you leave so much money on the table if you can still get your bets on without them being affected. Feels like a no brainer. It just means that if you earn 30/40k from selling stuff that a breakeven year betting is still an ok year instead of a losing year.
By:
Marlas_Magic
When: 07 May 21 15:23
I havent posted in ages but were you not suspicious of the graph? Who on earth has been doing this for a long time where you see so many steady consistent months. If it is pre off betting it just doesnt happen like that. Noone can be consistent like that. Will have much bigger winning months and months where losing/breaking even.

I always used to be of the opinion why would you sell tips etc. Why not just back them all yourself. However, given the swings and variance of the game why would you leave so much money on the table if you can still get your bets on without them being affected. Feels like a no brainer. It just means that if you earn 30/40k from selling stuff that a breakeven year betting is still an ok year instead of a losing year.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 07 May 21 16:05
One word for them... scroungers, simple as that.
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