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leif
07 Apr 21 17:31
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says Gigginstown House Stud's racing manager Eddie O'Leary.

Grand National legend Tiger Roll has "no chance whatsoever" of winning on his return to Aintree in the Betway Bowl, according to Gigginstown House Stud's racing manager Eddie O'Leary.

Having been denied a shot at a third National win when withdrawn from the race last month due to an "unfair weight burden", the redoubtable 11-year-old is set to run in a Grade 1 chase for the very first time.

Owner Michael O'Leary and his brother Eddie have taken umbrage to the British handicapper's assessment of Tiger Roll after he was raised 7lb from his second National win in 2019.

Even though Tiger Roll has since stormed his way to a fifth Cheltenham Festival success in last month's Glenfarclas Chase, his owners believe he will be totally out of his depth in this line-up.

"Tiger Roll is not a Grade 1 horse and I think he's completely up against it," said Eddie O'Leary. "I hope he jumps well and comes home safe but, to be honest, if he finished within 20 lengths of them we’d be thrilled.

"This isn’t even a good Grade 1, let’s make no bones about that. In fact, it’s a terrible Grade 1 if truth be told. But we wouldn’t expect Tiger Roll to live with these horses because he’s not as good as them. It’s as simple as that. He’s 4-1? There should be a zero after that because he has no chance whatsoever. He has a crazy rating."
https://www.racingpost.com/news/previews/tiger-roll-has-no-chance-whatsoever-on-aintree-return-eddie-oleary/482997

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Report slickster April 7, 2021 6:38 PM BST
An utter disgrace the horse has not been allowed his chance for a 3rd national win. The weight he received is correct give or take a pound. O'Leary a spoilt brat and a horror of a man.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 7, 2021 6:44 PM BST
O'leary should be charged an excess
baggage charge for the weight tiger roll
would have carried
Report leif April 7, 2021 6:56 PM BST
on the slide already.

are they putting the public away or being truthful and merely seeking a route to a lower handicap mark pending a tilt next year.
Report Storm Alert April 7, 2021 7:16 PM BST
Absolutely crazy situation. Taken out of the Grand National which Tiger Roll had a pretty good chance of winning despite the weight and put in the 3m G1 Bowl Chase which he cannot win. Sadly his best chance of making history by winning the Grand National three years on the trot was taken away by Covid-19 last year.
Report know all April 7, 2021 9:07 PM BST
will do some work on the race as i originally thought 4/1 was a good price, anyone enlighten me why he has no chance likes the ground likes aintree won with a double hand full lto
Report hulk23 April 7, 2021 9:12 PM BST
won with a double hand full lto

won the dads race at the school sports with a double hand full once.  gubbed by linford christie 3 weeks later.
Report Storm Alert April 7, 2021 9:18 PM BST
Seriously?

Tiger roll has never won a G1 chase. Hasn't even run in one as far as I can determine. For more than three years has been running exclusively in the Grand National, Cross Country chases (and a couple of hurdle races). Ran terribly in one try over Aintree Mildmay course (hurdle race in 2016). Granted the Bowl is a weak G1 race this year, but Tiger Roll's best form over 3m looks at least a stone below what is normally required for a G1. He will get out paced and probably a long way behind for a staying on 2nd last on a track that is two tight for him.
Report leif April 7, 2021 9:20 PM BST
plus the dad's race was run 38 secs slow (presumably slower than standard)

he's having to compete off a mark considered prohibitive having won the GN twice, a hurdle race in 2019 and these egg and spoon affairs.

On the face of it it has little chance.
Report Cauthenmeister April 7, 2021 9:48 PM BST
It's hard to find anything in this race with a genuine chance.
Report know all April 7, 2021 10:07 PM BST
thanks will take a serious look and come back and report the findings, its a terrible race seem to recall he won at 25/1 when he had no chance he looked better than ever lto and gone very close in the national this time, he had it won 1 mile out in the last national he jumped like a stag, its a puzzler
Report exactaman April 7, 2021 10:13 PM BST
Seems very smelly this to me...

So they wouldn't run it in the Grand National because they didn't think it could win...

But they're gonna run in a grade 1 which it also can't possibly win...

Remember just before the 2019 National O'Leary said on TV can't possibly win...Crazy
Report leif April 7, 2021 10:41 PM BST
84k to the winner. Huge prize for a so-so line-up.

if he finishes close up and not win in a G1 the h'capper wont relent so is he here to win or fall out the back of the tv set?

intriguing race.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 April 7, 2021 10:52 PM BST
Would love to see him win it but my hunch is they've been galloping the horse out of sight around the galops at home to ensure he can't win, drop out the back of the tele tomorrow in the hope the handicapper relents somewhat and comes back next year as a 12 year old after running in that hurdle race again but bypassing the x-country
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 April 7, 2021 10:55 PM BST
Ok maybe not working the horse, but still ensuring he's not as fit as he could beConfused
Report acey deucy April 7, 2021 11:22 PM BST
I have seen the best Judges in Racing been made to look proper **** by Horses....What makes this clown any different.
Report know all April 7, 2021 11:29 PM BST
very poor group 1 with question marks on them all and the fav looks tricky to win with its a seriously open looking race, the one superstar in the race we are told has no chance by the racing manager 8/1, ive seen worse 6/4 favourites, its which one puts its best foot forward today, looks like a handicap to me this race
this could be its last race lets cheer him on, a superstar
Report acey deucy April 7, 2021 11:30 PM BST
I would just love it if The Tiger Wins.LaughLaugh
Report spyker April 8, 2021 12:07 AM BST
The more I think about it I thunk they are just scared of Cloth Cap, which is a shame cos he aint winning either.......
Report muse April 8, 2021 12:13 AM BST
Acey, more chance of Tiger winning the Masters Wink
Report onlooker April 8, 2021 12:23 AM BST
Would you put it past these Two to deliberately drop the horse out - and be beaten a bucketful ...

- then sarcastically turn around and say - 'told you so' - to the Handicapper.

Eddie O'Leary needs to find a way to riddle out of the Hole that he Dug for himself, and his brother, by having their unjustified fit of personal pique over the NON-issue of the National Rating/Weight. 

Eddie O'Leary - probably the luckiest man on the Planet to enjoy the privileged position in racing that he holds ...
- just because his brother bought an Airline.
Report muse April 8, 2021 12:46 AM BST
Onlooker, I suspect that the X country has made the greedy gets conclude that he could win another National. Would not be surprised of this is the first of a series of unprepossessing runs over fences. When next years handicap is out they might have a go at the X country again, and then a final run in the National.
Report Ramruma April 8, 2021 8:36 AM BST
O'Leary is right, isn't he? Or at least he has an arguable point.

Bristol de Mai is on 167, Tiger Roll 166, The Storyteller 165. Bristol de Mai and The Storyteller are both Grade 1 chasers, Tiger Roll only Grade 3 and that is in the Grand National itself.
Report GLASGOWCALLING April 8, 2021 10:13 AM BST
Going to drop in price before the Off surely, what price is the Lay price.?? Happy
Report shoodacoodadidnt April 8, 2021 10:17 AM BST
You don't get as rich as that mob by playing a straight hand
Report Anyska April 8, 2021 10:25 AM BST
what is o leary playing at, they know they made a mistake taking tiger out of the national and somehow blaming the handicapper now for running in this race. Tiger will be outpaced 4 out and get pulled up, exactly what they want
Report Storm Alert April 8, 2021 10:31 AM BST
Ramruma - O'Leary is right, isn't he? Or at least he has an arguable point.

Cut his nose of to spite his face. Probably wouldn't have won, but deserved the chance. Denied the chance of making history by Covid-19 last year and this year by belligerent connections.
Report Nogoody April 8, 2021 11:10 AM BST
I love the horse and would dearly love to see him win today but if he does it means he has been criminally miss-trained all his career.
Report know all April 8, 2021 11:38 AM BST
onlooker

Would you put it past these Two to deliberately drop the horse out - and be beaten a bucketful ...

- then sarcastically turn around and say - 'told you so' - to the Handicapper

yes thats the fear now its starting to make sense of why its that price , what a shame if thats what happens
Report masteroats April 8, 2021 1:16 PM BST
The problem here is basically this: The horse has put up, arguably, his best performances in unique races, as are the national & the cross country chase. Given this, the handicapper has no option to err on the side of caution. If an unknown handicapper came in from Germany, France, etc. they would get the same treatment. However, Gigginstown are not innocent here if they truly believe the horse has no chance, when a decent bank race is just around the corner in Punchestown.
Report sageform April 8, 2021 1:25 PM BST
Don't forget the Triumph hurdle win! Not over regular fences but none of todays rivals would have won a Triumph. I still don't fancy him today.
Report slickster April 8, 2021 1:26 PM BST
Any chance of O'Leary coming out and apologising for this shambolic decision?
Report Daryl Revok April 8, 2021 1:52 PM BST
The GN weights came out on 16th Feb
Elliott receives interim suspension, by BHA, on 1st March
Tiger Roll withdrawn from GN on March 2nd

Good one Eddie Laugh
Report acey deucy April 8, 2021 1:55 PM BST
Look this is a Man who took all his Horses away from the best trainer on the Planet because Mullins had the audacity to ask for a small increase in Training fees....Pig headed to the extreme.....I still like the guy even though he robbed us of a piece of History.Plain
Report onlooker April 8, 2021 2:59 PM BST
onlooker 07 Apr 21 23:23

Would you put it past these Two to deliberately drop the horse out - and be beaten a bucketful ...

- then sarcastically turn around and say - 'told you so' - to the Handicapper.

Eddie O'Leary needs to find a way to riddle out of the Hole that he Dug for himself, and his brother, by having their unjustified fit of personal pique over the NON-issue of the National Rating/Weight.
---------------

NOT OFF an Inch
Report shoodacoodadidnt April 8, 2021 3:00 PM BST
I think Jack gave it every chance ;)
Report casemoney April 8, 2021 3:01 PM BST
Thought was out Schooling for the 1st circuit Laugh

Would win no nationals on that run
Report Poppydog. April 8, 2021 3:01 PM BST
Looking at the timings, that was a fast race.
Maybe just run off his feet.
Report Poppydog. April 8, 2021 3:02 PM BST
* Maybe just run off his feet against far classier opposition than in a X-Country or a National
Report casemoney April 8, 2021 3:03 PM BST
Yes Jack was having none of it ,Lot of shoutinhg and roaring about it staying on , has it finnished yet ?
Report duffy April 8, 2021 3:13 PM BST
Horse probably spent the whole race wondering why they were taking the wrong courseSad
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk April 8, 2021 3:15 PM BST
Connections are rancid. Shame, the horse deserves better.
Report casemoney April 8, 2021 3:17 PM BST
JACK said finnished very Tired  .Not sure if thats himself or the orse .
Report know all April 8, 2021 3:17 PM BST
what a shame for the horse not off a jot imo sad to see that racing has got like this be glad to see the back of the owner after this terrible shenanigans
Report brians April 8, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Finished fourth but still galloping. You might think if the race was another mike or so, he would have won !
Report brians April 8, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Mile not mike !
Report know all April 8, 2021 3:38 PM BST
on reflection its one of the worst things ive seen we are used to it being crooked but to a superstar taking the p out of the horse to prove he is right, criminal imo
Report cardifffc April 8, 2021 3:44 PM BST
knowall find a new hobby imo
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy April 8, 2021 4:09 PM BST
that was as blatant a non jigger you will ever see...

just comical.
Report ghostlygunner April 8, 2021 4:14 PM BST
to be fair connections said it had very little chance this morning and said it should have been nearer 40/1 than 4/1
Report onlooker April 8, 2021 4:43 PM BST
^ That's the whole 'effing Point - ghostly.

The race is impossible to re-Handicap/Rate with anything approaching accuracy - However

The Winner went into the race second top-rated on 169, just a Pound below Native River (who ideally wants softer going than today)

CLAN DES OBEAUX - (why can they not give these horses 'proper' National Hunt names) SadHappy - has previously run to 173 (twice) - so we have to take it that he has run to, at least, that today.

Assuming so - TIGER ROLL - beaten 92 lengths - has run to a Rating of around 80.

An 'on his game' - trying for his life - TIGER ROLL could not run 'as bad as an 80' with two legs tied together.
Report spyker April 8, 2021 5:02 PM BST
on that running it wouldn't win the (insert region of your choice) national.
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy April 8, 2021 5:48 PM BST
just stickily 1st few but kennedy made not attempt to give it anything bar a jog round..why did they run it? to prove what precisely?
Report greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy April 8, 2021 5:49 PM BST
jumped stickily 1st few but kennedy made not attempt to give it anything bar a jog round..why did they run it? to prove what precisely?
Report EastLower Gooner April 8, 2021 5:51 PM BST
You guys are being weird again...I thought he ran superb.

Then again...years of watching Ozil et al faff about a pitch has most like eroded my appetite for top class performances Cry
Report dukeofpuke April 9, 2021 12:28 AM BST
Perhaps hoping for 10st in the 2022 GN
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 9, 2021 1:12 AM BST
I know tiger is a specialist, but that effort was down to one person, TR could had been at least running into a place.

the runner up today was a handicapper.
Report Ramruma April 9, 2021 2:21 AM BST
@Ibrahim Sonko -- "I know tiger is a specialist, but that effort was down to one person, TR could had been at least running into a place."

To run into a place, Tiger Roll would have to have beaten the Gold Cup fourth and previous Gold Cup winner, Native River. Not even O'Leary's worst enemies would say Tiger Roll is a Gold Cup horse!
Report shoodacoodadidnt April 9, 2021 8:53 AM BST
If you watched the race and you don't think he could have done better than he did, then you are living in another galaxy.
Report Ramruma April 9, 2021 10:38 AM BST
How could Tiger Roll "have done better than he did"?

Even if Tiger Roll might have finished closer to Native River, there is nothing to suggest he would have finished in front of a genuine Gold Cup horse.
Report Anyska April 9, 2021 10:47 AM BST
anyone watches tiger knows he has only one gear for the past few years, and not going to get another one at 11. there was no point kennedy giving him a slap
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