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The Management
05 Apr 21 10:41
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Another thread for fish based puns and Filthy Each Way bets.

Possibly with a few Plaice only bets, Plaice only lays and maybe some Each Way (Plaice focussed) Multiples/Accas if the shops ever open again.

No fixed rules but will likely focus on the Flat (Turf & AW) rather than NH, mostly Stakes races (not Handicaps). The only firm rule is that all bets and stakes (and if possible prices) will be posted before the races and there will be a running tally of the P&L for my bets.
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Report 37+73 May 6, 2021 4:25 PM BST
Arrgghhhh.....that was slightly annoying....reckon it had it won if it had jumped the last?
Report The Management May 6, 2021 4:31 PM BST
She gave it a good go for you 37 - went 1.30 in-running
Report The Management May 6, 2021 4:33 PM BST
The fav jumped the 2nd last like a pool table - but she returned the favour at the last.
Report shoodacoodadidnt May 6, 2021 5:16 PM BST
I didn;t see the race management - sounds like you were unlucky
Report The Management May 6, 2021 5:43 PM BST
I didn't play it shooda. I cheered it on (in vain) for 37+73 - but nothing for this thread today from me.

I actually got a bit too heavily involved in laying Japan - and I am currently delighted to have clawed about 75% of that back. I've had better days!
Report jonmh. May 7, 2021 11:32 AM BST
Morning all.  Can't see any real filth.  The two races which interest me most are the 12.30 MR and 6.00 Nott.
Report 37+73 May 7, 2021 4:17 PM BST
Hi Jon....only one for me today, the 5.50 Ripon ....hoping for a bigger price later on Blind Beggar, as I think it`s greater experience will help it on this undulating course...Cant see it being out of the PLAICE`s at least.
Report 37+73 May 7, 2021 5:47 PM BST
slight drift to 3.5.....have backed it now win/PLAICE
Report 37+73 May 7, 2021 5:55 PM BST
more woodwork hit !!!   beaten by the draw there I think....high numbers have a 3/4 length advantage....but a PLAICE is a PLAICE
Report jonmh. May 8, 2021 10:36 AM BST
Morning chaps.  A few races with nice shapes to the market. 

4.35 Ling 9 runners 40/1 bar the front three
1.15 Not 13 runners 16/1 bar the front three
7.35 Thirsk 13 runners 14/1 bar the front three (I'm not far from there and it's never stopped p1ssing down so could be nrs)
5.40 Hex dead 8 14/1 bar front three.
Report jonmh. May 8, 2021 10:44 AM BST
I've done 2 x ew trebles

Motorious 9/2 / International Girl 7/1 1.15 Nott

Persaria 9/2 4.35 Ling

Ford Maddox brown 5/1 7.35 Thirsk

I'll think about singles later.  GL.
Report The Management May 8, 2021 10:48 AM BST
Morning Jon - I got stuck on some outdoor chores yesterday (trying to beat the weather) - I had nothing (for this thread) anyway.

Today looks more promising - I have gone the other way round from you (i.e. Singles first - probably a few doubles to follow):

16:35 Lingfield: Persaria - Each Way - 1.5 Stakes - take the 9/2 imo (if you can get it!)
16:35 Lingfield: Swiss Flamingo - Each Way - Half Stake - take the 50/1 imo (if you can get it!)

Probably no other EW singles for me - but some EW doubles with Persaria as the banker look possible. GL
Report The Management May 8, 2021 12:19 PM BST
The 9/2 & 4/1 on Persaria (16:35 Lingfield) is now long gone (it was always going to happen!) but it's been a while since one of these races didn't just have the dead-8 runners, making it difficult to take an early price EW without worrying overly about a Non-Runner impacting the place terms.

I'm a bit annoyed that Swiss Flamingo hit 66's (in places) not long after I took the 50's - but obviously that's a pretty speculative (place focussed) EW bet - partly because I'm not crazy about Perfect Dream and partly because I hope the draw might play a small part in the race for the places.

Waiting for non-runners (in other races) means I have missed the 4/1 & 9/2 for Persaria for EW doubles purposes, so with enough eggs in that basket already - I think I'll give the EW doubles a swerve (at least in terms of thread bets). GL.
Report 37+73 May 8, 2021 1:16 PM BST
Good day all......The only one that stands out for me today is Ford Maddox Brown 7.35 Thirsk as you have mentioned Jon....with some of it`s rivals being n/rs, I just can`t have it out of the 3 at LINGst!!!!
Report jonmh. May 8, 2021 1:22 PM BST
Well that's the trebles down the bog.  Just the one single so far on Persaria.  I'll Probably back Fort Maddox Brown.
Report The Management May 8, 2021 6:40 PM BST
A strange day - I hardly got away with any of my shorter priced place lays Cry but had it right off with quite a few nice priced place backs (mostly draw related in the handicaps) Grin - but nothing much doing on the sole thread bet race.

Todays Filthy EW Thread bets:

16:35 Lingfield: Persaria - Each Way - 1.5 Stakes - backed at average 5.25 - 2nd at 7/2 ISP = - 0.23
16:35 Lingfield: Swiss Flamingo - Each Way - Half Stake - backed at 50/1 - 8th at 40/1 ISP = -1.00

Daily Thread Bet Total P&L:  - 1.23
Running Thread Bet Total P&L: + 5.07


My Filthy Each Way thread bets to date:

06th April - 17:00 Chelmsford: Buxted Too - Each Way - One Stake - 1st at ISP 10/3  =  + 4.00
07th April - 14:00 Lingfield: Lost Eden - Each Way - One Stake - 1st at ISP 2/1 (backed EW at average 3.625) =  + 3.15
15th April - 19:25 Newcastle: Baby Alya - Each Way - Half-Stake - took 5/1 - 3rd at ISP 5/1 = + 0.00.
25th April - 15:10 Wetherby: Miquelon - Each Way - One Stake - took 4/1 - 2nd at 15/8 ISP =  -0.20
28th April - 13:50 Wolverhampton: Final Watch  - Each Way - Half Stake - took 3.75 - 5th at 9/4 ISP = - 1.00
28th April - 17:10 Chelmsford: Just Beautiful - Each Way - Half Stake - took 9/4 - 1st at 6/4 ISP = + 1.35
03rd May   - 16:16 Windsor: Bringsty - Each Way - Half Stake - took 4/1 - 5th at 4/1 ISP = -1.00
08th May   - 16:35 Lingfield: Persaria - Each Way - 1.5 Stakes - backed at average 5.25 - 2nd at 7/2 ISP = - 0.23
08th May   - 16:35 Lingfield: Swiss Flamingo - Each Way - Half Stake - backed at 50/1 - 8th at 40/1 ISP = -1.00

Bucket leaking slowly!
Report 37+73 May 8, 2021 7:36 PM BST
got to take a chance now at 13 win/place......guessing at the ground and fitness for it......but same as most of the others?
Report 37+73 May 8, 2021 7:41 PM BST
market said it needed the race, but apart from the fav (too short to back in those conditions) it was a race full of donkeys...a PLAICE is a PLAICE
Report The Management May 9, 2021 10:54 AM BST
Grim stuff - nothing EW for me today.
Report jonmh. May 10, 2021 10:18 AM BST
Morning .  4.55 Wind Tippy Toes looks a possible.  Would like to see a little drift.
Report The Management May 10, 2021 10:36 AM BST
Hi Jon - it all looks a bit grim again to me today.

Agree - maybe Tippy Toes (16:55 Windsor) is the best race on a bad day, I also like the Balding horse there at 19:30 (Zuraig) - but I don't think I will play either of them. GL.
Report jonmh. May 10, 2021 5:03 PM BST
Plaiced.  The market ended up a really nice shape.
Report The Management May 10, 2021 5:12 PM BST
I think she went 1.04 in-running Jon!
Report jonmh. May 11, 2021 10:18 AM BST
Morning .  4.45 Bev (dead 8),  1.00 Sed, 6.00 Ayr (dead 8).  All just dusty no classic filth.
Report The Management May 11, 2021 10:47 AM BST
Morning Jon - both the "dustys" ran very well yesterday - but I think today there is even less dust!

I know it's a bad day (for this type of betting) when I start taking a closer look at Killarney! - nothing for me today. GL.
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 11:17 AM BST
Morning all ..or rather top o the mornin to ya!!!! I`ve gone across the water fishing today ....3.30 Roscommon Melliferous...I can`t see it not being in the PLAICES at least, and the 5.40 Killarney Fictitious Lady, who should have come on for her debut and was also badly drawn that day.Both e/w and a double.
Report jonmh. May 11, 2021 11:35 AM BST
Morning chaps.  I used to bet quite a bit on the Irish 37 but after going through my bets I found that the vast majority of the dreaded fourth plaiced horses were happening over there and I think it must be down to the bigger field sizes.  Having said all of that I did cast an eye towards Tumultuous 1.30 Roscommon with only 9 runners.  Barely dusty though.
Report jonmh. May 11, 2021 1:11 PM BST
Backed Gordons Jet at 5/2 in the Sedgy race.  Beat everything but a 100/1 poke.  You sometimes know when to pack in for the day.
Report The Management May 11, 2021 1:21 PM BST
The problem I have with the Irish racing (both flat and NH - although I very rarely play the NH anyway) is the dominance of a handful of trainers. That should be good - i.e. for EW thievery you are looking for non-competitive races - and it does translate well, in as much as the betting shape of nearly every stakes race run in Ireland could be described as at least "mildly dusty".

However my reality is similar to yours Jon, in that (if I still played it) I would have far too many unplaced selections (even in the relatively filthy Irish races). 

Due to the lack of utter filthy races - my preferred use of e-way betting is EW doubles where one of the selections (Horse A) is a banker and runs (usually) in the sole utterly filthy race that day. With only that one totally filthy race available - I couple this with a handful of "dusty EW" races (Race B,C,D,E, etc) for the EW doubles. So in that example 5 selections would only result in 4 x EW doubles consisting AB, AC, AD & AE. Played correctly the place only element will be profitable - any win money running-on is a bonus and/or an opportunity to at least trade/recover the win stakes.

To cut a long story short - it involves putting a lot of eggs in one basket and I'm very comfortable doing that if the race is right for it - but my banker ("Horse A") has not been from an Irish race for many years and probably never ever will be!

In essence the betting shape of most stakes races over there makes it appear like it should be an absolute paradise for filthy EW bettors, in reality it just isn't  - that's just my opinion - but it's based on experience and data too. GL.
Report jonmh. May 11, 2021 1:39 PM BST
And Tumultuous at Roscommon comes ...... 4th.  I'm with you TM it's not for me anymore.  Hope yours go well 37.
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 2:29 PM BST
Cheers Jon...just back in to see Melliferous has drifted slightly to a more tempting price(may go in again) and Fictitious Lady has been well backed (probably it`s right price now).Swings and roundabouts.
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 2:30 PM BST
if Mudawy drifts a bit more I`ll be tempted to go a 2 bet in the Fictitious Lady race
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 2:33 PM BST
and cover everything in the 4 TBP markets!!!!
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 3:39 PM BST
Have to laugh...perhaps we are on to something here?   4th...quite remarkable...what an absolute dog(fish).I don`t think they will be keeping that in the stable for much longer. The 4th PLAICED market cut my losses in half,but a loss to start the day
Report The Management May 11, 2021 3:47 PM BST
I haven't played over there today 37 (apart from the handicaps) - but I'd be a place layer of the shorties any day of the week in preference to betting each-way in most of their stakes races. There is a nice EW betting shape in pretty much every race but plenty of them finish out of the money.

GL with the 17:40 (it looks a play to me too) - but it's a brave man that does an EW two-bet imo
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 5:39 PM BST
2 bet for me in this now fellas
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 5:44 PM BST
that is annoying....managed to get my stake back easy enough...but led everywhere but the last stride aarrggghhhh
Report The Management May 11, 2021 5:48 PM BST
That was ugly/painful to watch 37 - Ficticious lady went 1.1x in running - but I'd think the ground did for the other one (Mudawy).
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 5:53 PM BST
It was TM...but that`s racing...how long is that last furlong?...I am sure they have moved the winning post
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 5:55 PM BST
that would have been a nice winner as well, as I managed to snaffle some of the bigger prices early doors..but at least it wasn`t 4th!!!
Report The Management May 11, 2021 6:05 PM BST
Yeah - they don't fook about over there with the market moves - you get the odd subtle one - but generally if they come for one they come for it properly - likewise if they don't like one - it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Shocked
Report 37+73 May 11, 2021 6:30 PM BST
I actually got more matched  (not massive) on the irish site, which I use for football and some racing...It has always been useful during these crashes.....I am actually running out of patience with this lot...the service etc is getting worse...even the shares i have left in them are finishing 4th atm!!! !!!
Report 37+73 May 12, 2021 10:44 AM BST
Good morning fellas....TM Jon Skip et all....just want to wish you all well for the future.....I am closing my account today (after 20 yrs+)as I have had enough of them....it is certainly not the company I once knew.........happy punting
Report The Management May 12, 2021 11:41 AM BST
Hi 37 - sorry to hear that.

Respect for voting with your feet - if everybody did that things might have to improve. The decline was inevitable imo once the traditional books got involved and took control. It feels like they are more than happy to see the exchange model stagnate, seems like they operate a strategy of "isolate, contain and control" - i.e. tolerate exchanges merely to keep that element of the customer base ringfenced away from the core business.

Unfortunately, I think treating customers with contempt is par for the course across the industry. Best wishes wherever you end up mate.
Report The Management May 12, 2021 12:08 PM BST
The 18:50 Bath and the 19:30 Dundalk look the best of a bad bunch for this kind of betting today - nothing really doing for me. GL.
Report jonmh. May 12, 2021 12:53 PM BST
That's a shame 37, all the best for the future.

I agree TM there's not much filth again. 

3.10 York (dead 8), 3.30 Worc, 6.50 Bath and 7.30 Dun are all on my dusty list.
Report jonmh. May 13, 2021 10:07 AM BST
Morning.

I've got a few races on my list to keep tabs on.   1.00 Perth, 6.05 new and 7.15 new.
Report The Management May 13, 2021 12:06 PM BST
Morning Jon - I have got nothing solid  - all three of the stakes races at Newmarket (17:30, 18:05 & 19:15) look a bit dusty - but they also all look a little bit "lurky". They are the sort of races I would be happier about playing if there was something solid/confident to double them up with - hopefully we get a "standout" one day soon! GL
Report The Management May 14, 2021 11:00 AM BST
Deja Vu (all over again) - a handful of mildly dusty races and nothing that stands out (to me) as a banker to couple them up with.

Obviously there was no banker yesterday either - but the three "dusty" races all resulted in places at 5/1, 11/2 & 15/8 - so it's always a bit irritating to see the running-on place money racking up but not have had anything to couple them up with in EW doubles.

Nothing for me today.
Report jonmh. May 14, 2021 11:41 AM BST
Morning TM.  I ended up backing Magical Land last night at 15/8 in what looked the best race of the day to me but they fav won well in the end.  Got the plaice though.

Dusty list today is 1.15 Newb, 1.50 Newb, 2.55 Newb and 3.20 at HQ.  No filth again it seems thinner on the ground than ever at the min.
Report jonmh. May 14, 2021 11:43 AM BST
Scratch that 1.50 from the list it hasn't got a speck of dust on it !!
Report The Management May 14, 2021 11:57 AM BST
Hi Jon - agree the 13:15, 14:55 & 15:20 are the best of a bad bunch today - but that still just doesn't make them good enough (for me) to play in EW singles. It really has been slim pickings lately. GL mate.
Report jonmh. May 14, 2021 3:37 PM BST
2ns favs in today's dusty races didn't do too bad again.  1.15 2nd 7/4, 2.55 won 5/2 and 3.20 2nd 11/4
Report The Management May 14, 2021 6:56 PM BST
Hi Jon - both the 17:40 and the 18:15 at Kilbeggan went to the full-on proper filthy selections - but I couldn't bring myself to play either of them in EW singles! - Managed to get on the winner (EW) for a nice few quid in the 13:15 Newbury (Achelois) but screwed that up pretty badly on the price - then unfortunately decided to swerve the 14:55 there as well.

Would likely have played all of those if there was a "standout" to couple them up with. Happy with the single (13:15) but all in all, another day of what might have been. Catch you tomorrow.
Report jonmh. May 15, 2021 10:41 AM BST
Morning all.  Yet another thin day.  I liked the look of Ebro River 6.05 at Donny but the 5/2 is long gone and it's the dead 8.  3.20 Thirsk was the next on my list, dead 8 again so i'll just wait and see there.   I'll keep an eye on the 1.55 Nav as well but my ventures across the Irish Sea are few and far between these days.  A few specks of dust but no filth that I can see.
Report The Management May 15, 2021 11:13 AM BST
Hi Jon - I have got nothing again for this thread.

I liked the same as you Ebro River (18:05) but only at the (fictional) tissue price and the early prices are now long gone (and as you say - couldn't really be taken EW due to the NR fear factor). I thought the 17:15 Uttoxeter was worth a second look as a possible EW bet to nothing at 4/1 - but it's NH, it's a dead-5 runners and the trainer is 1 from 116 Shocked. Looks like another day of place laying in the Handicaps for me. GL.
Report jonmh. May 15, 2021 8:08 PM BST
Another decent day for the dusty 2nd favs.  3.20 Thirsk won 11/4,  6.05 Donny won 13/8
Report jonmh. May 16, 2021 10:46 AM BST
Morning.  Same old story today for me.  No filth.   I'll keep and eye on 4.35 Ripon (dead 8 ) with four of the eight runners complete rags at 66/1 plus it might have some dust on it.
Report The Management May 16, 2021 11:42 AM BST
Morning Jon - you know it's pretty grim for filth when you find yourself double checking a Novice Chase at Wexford!

I really quite liked First Light in that Ripon race (16:35) - but a couple of things have stopped me from playing it. As ever - the dead-8 runners means we can't take an early price for fear of a non-runner changing the place terms (so all the 11/4+ is now long gone). Also have a slight concern about the form of the yard - Gosden usually operates at about 20% but has only had 2 winners from his last 30 runners (and those winners were the brilliant Palace Pier & the potentially brilliant Derab).

So that raises the other familiar dilemma - it's too short to back EW, so we need a drift near the off (when it looks like 8 still run) - but do we want to be backing a late drifter from a yard that isn't in the best of form? - the game can drive you mad! - Day off (from the filthy EW's) here imo. GL
Report The Management May 16, 2021 6:06 PM BST
A bit annoying to see First Light win so easily - but 11/10 in a 7 horse race is not nearly the same as 11/4 in an 8 horse race! Grin

Tomorrow looks potentially the best day for a long time with 4 UK flat cards that aren't all handicaps - but it again looks like if there are a couple of (ground related) Non-runners it could scupper the day. Here's hoping not.
Report jonmh. May 17, 2021 9:53 AM BST
Morning all.  I'm off to Redcar today and it looks like there could be a filthy dead 8 with the novice at 2.30.  Two problems though it's the dead 8 again and the horse was awful last time out.  Other than that I've got two other dead 8's (3.20 and 3.55 Carlisle) down as dusty.
Report The Management May 17, 2021 10:00 AM BST
Have a good day Jon - but the 14:30 at Redcar (arguably the filthiest EW race of the day) is predictably already scuppered by NR's!Cry
Report jonmh. May 17, 2021 10:01 AM BST
2.30 down to 7 runners so that's the end of that unless you play on here.  GL
Report The Management May 17, 2021 10:05 AM BST
Kind of glad in a way about the 14:30 to be honest - the maths/shape dictates that Copper Queen would have had to be the EW bet (if 8+ ran) - and I was struggling badly to warm to it enough to make my day revolve around it as an EW banker. A bit relieved that the decision has been taken out of my hands.
Report The Management May 17, 2021 2:27 PM BST
Pleased to have swerved this 14:30 Redcar (due to NR's rather than good judgement) - but the race and the market for the places is fascinating - the friendless and more exposed Copper Queen has her best form on soft/heavy - the Botti horse (Fire In The Rain) finished 3rd behind the horse that finished 3rd in the Oaks trial! - and surely there is better to come from Ghazaaly at some point. An excellent puzzle - but too hard for me!
Report geoff m May 17, 2021 2:36 PM BST
the irony eh 2 non runners who da thunked it .
Report The Management May 17, 2021 2:42 PM BST
Hi Geoff - pretty chuffed about the NR's to be honest - I couldn't (on principle) have let an 8 runner race with a 1/5 fav pass me by without betting something EW - but really didn't like Copper Queen much - so happy enough to have the NR's solve any dilemma.
Report The Management May 17, 2021 3:17 PM BST
A bit concerned about the drop down to 7f - but I have had a half-stake EW on Victorious Knight at 4/1 (15:20 Carlisle)
Report geoff m May 17, 2021 3:18 PM BST
Yep The Management over the years some of the 8/9 runner e/w steals against short odds on end up invariably in a 7 runner event due to non runners .
TO the extent i wondered if there was an element of skullduggery on the bookmakers side . Cynic that i am.

The greatest of all time i can recall Was
New Morning
Very well bred filly of Michael Jarvis went off 1/16 in 8 runner field
2nd fav was 25s
Report The Management May 17, 2021 3:20 PM BST
Backed it on here by the way - in anticipation of the inevitable NR!

17-May-21
14:57:39    15:20 Carlisle
Victorious Night - Each Way
Betfair Bet ID 1:233583085xxx | Matched: 17-May-21 14:57:39    Back    4.90
Report The Management May 17, 2021 3:22 PM BST
Might be lucky to get 6 runners here!
Report The Management May 17, 2021 3:28 PM BST
I can live with that - thought I had done my dough after just a furlong Whoops - eventually went 1.18 in running Shocked
Report The Management May 17, 2021 3:54 PM BST
Kraken Filly  - to give the boys something to think about in this 15:55 Carlisle

One stake EW at (average) 3.25
Report The Management May 17, 2021 6:35 PM BST
It's a massive drifter - but I have had a stake EW on Thaler (18:35 Leicester) at 4.00 (sorry about after-timing the price).
Report The Management May 17, 2021 6:40 PM BST
Another one goes 1.1x in running - but he's bumped into one there I think!
Report The Management May 17, 2021 7:19 PM BST
Probably went a bit "action" crazy after over a week without having a thread bet - but hit a couple of crossbars today (with a 1.18 & a 1.16 in running) but only ended up with two seconds and a third - so didn't actually score any goals!

Todays Filthy EW Thread bets:

15:20 Carlisle: Victorious Knight - Each Way - Half Stakes - backed at 4.90 - 2nd at 4/1 ISP = - 0.11
15:55 Carlisle: Kraken Filly - Each Way - One Stake - backed at 9/4 - 3rd at 5/2 ISP = - 0.55
18:35 Leicester: Thaler - Each Way - One Stake - backed at 3/1 - 2nd at 5/2 ISP = - 0.40

Daily Thread Bet Total P&L:  - 1.06
Running Thread Bet Total P&L: + 4.03


My Filthy Each Way thread bets to date:

06th April - 17:00 Chelmsford: Buxted Too - Each Way - One Stake - 1st at ISP 10/3  =  + 4.00
07th April - 14:00 Lingfield: Lost Eden - Each Way - One Stake - 1st at ISP 2/1 (backed EW at average 3.625) =  + 3.15
15th April - 19:25 Newcastle: Baby Alya - Each Way - Half-Stake - took 5/1 - 3rd at ISP 5/1 = + 0.00.
25th April - 15:10 Wetherby: Miquelon - Each Way - One Stake - took 4/1 - 2nd at 15/8 ISP =  -0.20
28th April - 13:50 Wolverhampton: Final Watch  - Each Way - Half Stake - took 3.75 - 5th at 9/4 ISP = - 1.00
28th April - 17:10 Chelmsford: Just Beautiful - Each Way - Half Stake - took 9/4 - 1st at 6/4 ISP = + 1.35
03rd May  - 16:16 Windsor: Bringsty - Each Way - Half Stake - took 4/1 - 5th at 4/1 ISP = -1.00
08th May  - 16:35 Lingfield: Persaria - Each Way - 1.5 Stakes - backed at average 5.25 - 2nd at 7/2 ISP = - 0.23
08th May  - 16:35 Lingfield: Swiss Flamingo - Each Way - Half Stake - backed at 50/1 - 8th at 40/1 ISP = -1.00
17th May  - 15:20 Carlisle: Victorious Knight - Each Way - Half Stakes - backed at 4.90 - 2nd at 4/1 ISP = - 0.11
17th May  - 15:55 Carlisle: Kraken Filly - Each Way - One Stake - backed at 9/4 - 3rd at 5/2 ISP = - 0.55
17th May  - 18:35 Leicester: Thaler - Each Way - One Stake - backed at 3/1 - 2nd at 5/2 ISP = - 0.40

The losing fractions from the places soon mount up if the feckers keep getting touched off!
Report The Management May 19, 2021 11:36 AM BST
A strange day yesterday - lots of fairly dusty races and a few winners (Jewel In My Crown was probably the most annoying swerve) but I opted not to play any of them.
Today EW bets look very thin on the ground - in the 18:35 Kempton the shape of the betting indicates Super One maybe ought to be the EW bet - but the two races where he has finished runner up have gone on to produce absolutely zilch imo - so unless gelding and some blinkers make a big difference to him, I'd be more interested in laying than playing. All in all - Grim stuff (for EW filthsters) today imo. GL.
Report skiptoomaloumacari May 19, 2021 2:16 PM BST
Todays racing sums up whats wrong with British racing ......utter dross.......
Report The Management May 19, 2021 6:16 PM BST
I know it's a bit counterintuitive given the title of the thread and the shape of the betting - but I did (in the Opening Post) say there might be some place only lays and/or backs.

18:35 Kempton: Super Over - Place Layed - to lose one stake - at average 1.65
Report The Management May 19, 2021 6:40 PM BST
I'll get me coat BlushCry
Report skiptoomaloumacari May 20, 2021 9:21 AM BST
Off to Dunstall park today...............2-30 & 3-10 offer some potential..........
Report The Management May 20, 2021 10:18 AM BST
Have a good day Skip! - with 10 & 9 runners respectively, I have already played both those races at the early prices in the hope that 8 of them might manage to go into the stalls!:

14:30 Wolves: Algheed - Each Way - One stake - backed at 9/4
15:05 Wolves: Another Dawn - Each Way - One stake - backed at 3/1

Still smarting from Super Over (18:35 Kempton) yesterday - blindly following the maths would have yielded at least + 4.20 but being the fookin genius that I am - I managed to turn that into -1.00 instead!

Yeterdays' Dusty Each Way Thread Bet: 

18:35 Kempton: Super Over - Place Layed - to lose one stake - at average 1.65 - 1st at 3/1 ISP = -1.00

Daily Thread Bet Total P&L:  - 1.00
Running Thread Bet Total P&L: + 3.03
Report skiptoomaloumacari May 20, 2021 10:49 AM BST
Backed both of those ................will be an interesting day.......Ludlow on Monday and 3 days at Haydock planned next week so soon nack in the swing,,,,,ExcitedExcitedExcitedExcited
Report jonmh. May 20, 2021 11:21 AM BST
Morning all. I'm with you on the 3.05.  Gonna keep an eye on the 5.40 Chelmsford.  7.25 has a nice shape but FTO and dead 8.  GL
Report The Management May 20, 2021 11:59 AM BST
Morning Jon - good to see you - I thought I had lost you (been talking to myself for 3 days - which hasn't gone great!)

I like the 17:40 better since the NR - but it still just looks a bit too lurky for me. As you say the 19:25 is FTO and dead-8 so probably a swerve for me. I'm not mad about the two I have already done at Wolverhampton tbh - but they have contracted even further in the meantime so happy with the prices at least! GL.
Report jonmh. May 20, 2021 3:14 PM BST
I'd rather they came last than 4th !!!
Report The Management May 20, 2021 3:18 PM BST
Yep - I've gone from getting chinned on the line a yard from the line at 1.1x - to knowing that I've lost about a yard after the start. Grim.
Report jonmh. May 21, 2021 10:25 AM BST
Morning all.  The 5.40 and the FTO at 7.25 went down the toilet yesterday as well so things can only get better I suppose.  Can't see much at all today.  You could make a case for the shape of 7.20 at Catterick(22's bar the front 3) and the 5.50 at Downpatrick (16s bar the front three) but an Irish bumper probably isn't the way forward after a bad day ..
Report skiptoomaloumacari May 21, 2021 10:45 AM BST
Had to back Mayelf at Catterick.. The fav keeps getting beat and the second fav will hate the ground.....
Report The Management May 21, 2021 12:22 PM BST
As per my 10:59 post yesterday - I think I dodged a couple of bullets with the dusty EW options in the 17:40 & 19:25 both running unplaced and both those races going to huge priced "lurkers" - but the races (I didn't love but played anyway) weren't great either, so the thread bet P&L is currently going downhill faster than Franz Klammer!

Yesterdays' Dusty Each Way Thread Bets:

14:30 Wolves: Algheed - Each Way - One stake - backed at 9/4 - 3rd at 2/1 ISP = -0.55
15:05 Wolves: Another Dawn - Each Way - One stake - backed at 3/1 - 4th at 5/2 ISP = -2.00 

Daily Thread Bet Total P&L:  - 2.55
Running Thread Bet Total P&L: + 0.48


It's highly likely I am on "tilt" but I have played the 17:40 Irish Bumper Shocked Kingfisher Lane EW at 7/2 and will probably play the 19:20 Catterick. GL
Report Brian May 21, 2021 12:33 PM BST
Good luck TM. Irish bumpers not my thing but Kingfisher Lane at 7/2 ew looks very solid to me.
Report The Management May 21, 2021 12:50 PM BST
Hi Brian - not my thing either tbh! - relying heavily on the god of the maths!

I started the new thread specifically for the turf flat but proactively dodging the NH races (for thread bets) has cost me a hatful of nice priced winners already - the turf flat has been a bit disastrous so far tbh (for Filthy EW's) and I think ALL of my winning (thread) bets have actually been on my beloved All Weather. Even that went a bit t1ts-up yesterday, so just trying to shake it up a bit really. GL.
Report The Management May 21, 2021 2:03 PM BST
I have reluctantly now taken the 5/1 about 19:20 Catterick: Mayelf (EW) - I am unable to bet with any of the firms that are/were going bigger than that.

Todays' Dusty Each Way Thread Bets:

17:50 Downpatrick: Kingfisher Lane - Each Way - One Stake - took 7/2
19:20 Catterick: Mayelf - Each Way - One Stake - took 5/1

GL.
Report The Management May 21, 2021 2:17 PM BST
Twilight Spinner (14:05 Haydock) just paid Blind Beggar (19:20 Catterick) a huge compliment Skip Shocked

But that Ripon race where they were 1st and 2nd was a proper strange one tbf - with the draw (width of the track separating them) and the hugely disappointing 3rd fav (state of Play - a massive drifter) turning out to be "lame". Blind Beggar now shortened up again anyway but the rest could be running for places.
Report The Management May 21, 2021 3:05 PM BST
Schoolboy error Cry

The 19:20 Catterick is already now down to 7 runners - I didn't want to play early for that very reason but got sucked in chasing what I thought might be a diminishing price. So the vast majority of my EW bet on Mayelf is now 2 places only (although no R4's yet and quarter the odds a place).

I did manage to get a whole £14.19 Laugh of my bet matched at 6.00 in the highly liquid Laugh BF EW market (so still 3 places for a fraction of my bet). It's really not been my week on the EW filth - but at least the bad ground Handicaps have been fairly obliging to subsidise this sh1te! GL
Report skiptoomaloumacari May 22, 2021 5:30 AM BST
It makes me feel slightly better TM that you have struggled as well this week ..........its be horrendous in truth......personally i think i am selecting and betting to early...........that and a chronic lack of discipline...Oh well lets see what today brings....
Report The Management May 22, 2021 11:34 AM BST
Hi Skip! - yeah, I think I've been trying too hard (and pressured myself into looking for "action" where there is none). I certainly bet way too early yesterday! Happily other betting avenues have been ok (I do love a bit of win/place laying in the 4YO+ handicaps when the ground is bad/soft/heavy). Confidence plays a huge part in this game (imo) and I think I need to take a short break from the filth (this thread) to concentrate on other avenues and come back when I feel a bit more positive about it, refreshed and more patient.

It would be a lot easier (like nearly every other selection thread on here) to just started a new thread for every race/selection, also if I didn't bother trying to be honest with the prices or if I didn't keep a running total of the P&L - it does add a lot of (self-inflicted) pressure; I have no idea why, given that I suspect there are only 3 of us reading this! It would also be very easy just to quit or start another thread - but I'll be back soon, pick up from where I left off - and hopefully turn it around. GL - catch you in a day or two.

Yesterdays' Daily Thread Bet Total P&L:  -2.30
Running Thread Bet Total P&L:  -1.82
Report jonmh. May 24, 2021 9:52 AM BST
Morning.  2.20 Lud (dead 8) and 3.00 Wolves might be the best two races today.
Report jonmh. May 24, 2021 9:00 PM BST
3.00 ended up a nice result
Report The Management May 27, 2021 7:04 PM BST
I have had two stakes Each Way on Praiano (19:15 Carlisle) at 4/1

In addition to that I got a whole £3.34 matched on here in the EW market at 5.20 LaughLaughCry - the worlds leading betting exchange!
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