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Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving. I was delighted to get my sovereignty on January 1st as I expected to sell it for a large amount of £££ on ebay. To date I have not had a bid. Then I read that Mr Raab said it will be 10 years before we see any benefits. Not long to wait.
This is from todays RP

Bungling bureaucracy, welfare concerns and red tape: Brexit's impact on racing
The number of Irish runners held up at Cheltenham but there have been sharp falls in travel between the UK and Ireland
The number of Irish runners held up at Cheltenham but there have been sharp falls in travel between the UK and Ireland
Edward Whitaker
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By Bill Barber
UPDATED 11:10AM, MAR 29 2021
Figures released on the eve of the Cheltenham Festival paint a grim picture of the effects of Brexit on the economy.

UK goods exports to the EU in January fell by £5.6 billion, or more than 40 per cent. Exports of food and live animals fared even worse, falling by 64 per cent according to the Office for National Statistics. The finger of blame was pointed firmly at the stricter checks and morass of red tape inflicted by the separation from the EU after prime minister Boris Johnson's 11th-hour deal, compounded by a return to lockdown conditions.

For British racehorse trainers during the festival, the impacts of Brexit may have seemed less obvious. An unprecedented 23-5 scoreline in favour of the visitors at Cheltenham certainly seemed to suggest that doom-laden concerns over travelling horses were misplaced. 

Yet away from the spotlight of the festival, concerns over Brexit remain very real for the racing industry. Whereas previously the travelling of racehorses between the UK and EU had been frictionless, free movement of thoroughbreds no longer exists. Conversation with those at the sharp end comes peppered with references to a "small mountain" of red tape, "bungling bureaucracy" and, most troublingly, serious welfare concerns.   

'In three months the welfare issue will be much bigger'

Owners, trainers and transporters are as one in speaking of a doubling of costs and a sea of red tape since January 1, following the end of the tripartite agreement which had previously guaranteed free movement of thoroughbreds between the UK, Ireland and France.

Pete Ramzan, a partner at the Newmarket veterinary practice Rossdales, last month tweeted that the health papers required to send a single horse to Italy had involved 80 signatures, 40 pages and three languages instead of the four pages and one signature needed before.

More worryingly, transporters are voicing concerns over equine welfare due to the delays they are facing at the EU border. One of those is Alan Walter, a former amateur rider for Martin Pipe who now runs a horse transport business near Taunton.

Having averaged one trip a week to the EU before Brexit, Walter has only made three journeys this year and has suffered delays on two occasions. On the second of those on March 9, five horses arrived at Dover to go to France at 3am, having already completed a seven-hour journey.

Walter said the trip had been three weeks in the planning, with "a small mountain" of paperwork prepared by a professional shipping agent. The lorry was expected to leave Calais around 10.30am but after disagreements over what paperwork was required at both Dover and Calais, not helped by a French customs computer crash, the lorry eventually left for Calais at 4pm, 13 hours after arrival at Dover.

"Every time we get to the dock we are holding our breath," Walter says. "There is no question of turning up at the dock and getting through and being surprised if you are held up, it's the other way round."

Walter believes there is already a welfare issue for horses due to the delays being suffered now, and it is a situation that could get worse if the hold-ups continue into the warmer summer months.

Of his experience going to Calais, Walter says: "It could easily all have been solved and sorted out before we'd even left. It's far from ideal, there is a welfare issue now but I tell you what, you give it another three months it is going to be a much bigger one."

That was a view echoed by BBA Shipping's managing director Kevin Needham. "The thrust from our perspective is it's twice as much work, twice as much expense but you can get it right and then it's not too painful. Is that a solution? I don't think it is really. Not too painful is not really what we want," he says.

"It's not what we're used to and with these French border posts only being open office hours, once the weather starts to warm up we could have real proper welfare implications for horses standing at the docks.

"Even in May the temperature can hit 30C plus, we are moving horses overnight to avoid the heat and the traffic. But if they are only open office hours that isn't happening."

Needham said moving a horse to Ireland was fairly straightforward, as long as the preparations which now involve an 11-page health certificate are done right. For France 22 pages of paperwork are required.

"It only takes a tiny bit of the paperwork to be not right and they just keep you there," he says. "Nobody focuses on the fact that you have got live horses on, it's just 'the paperwork's wrong, sit there'. We've heard some horror stories."

The BHA says it is working with the government to identify the "real-time challenges" the industry is facing. Executive director Will Lambe says: "Equine welfare is at the heart of everything British racing does – and is ultimately inseparable from our financial health - and so it is important for us to be satisfied that the movement of horses continues to be carried out in a manner that does not jeopardise this.

Will Lambe: equine welfare "at the heart of everything"
Will Lambe: equine welfare "at the heart of everything"
"We continue to closely monitor the situation on delays at border inspection posts, alongside the UK government, European counterparts and other equestrian disciplines and will proactively advise of any difficulties to those looking to transport horses."

'It's just ridiculous how much paperwork there is'

As with everyone seemingly affected by Brexit, Walter bemoans the amount of red tape involved.

"I don't think anyone is asking to duck the regulations but the amount of paperwork should and could easily be reduced markedly," he says. "It's just ridiculous how much paperwork there is. We live in the age of IT, it could all be dealt with before the lorries turn up."

Lambe believes border problems can be resolved using digital solutions, many of which already exist.

"In the short-to-medium term, we believe that our industry-led digital solutions can alleviate delays and facilitate continued thoroughbred movement, something that is clearly key to the overall health of what is a significant international industry," he adds.

Walter has a high-profile ally in the shape of Eddie O'Leary. The racing manager of Gigginstown House Stud, owners of dual Grand National winner Tiger Roll, is far from impressed with the new post-Brexit arrangements, describing the situation as "desperate".

"Just the paperwork alone for Cheltenham cost €650 per horse and that's just the paperwork, not transport," he adds. "All it is is bungling bureaucracy, the amount of veterinary signatures needed is nonsense."

Asked if the extra cost and red tape meant there might be fewer Irish runners in Britain at meetings like Aintree, O'Leary said it would. He adds: "Our numbers were down [at Cheltenham] and everyone's numbers were down purely because you would only bring those you felt had a chance."

Horse movements in decline

Figures compiled by British racing's Thoroughbred Industries Brexit Steering Group show a collapse in the number of movements of horses for racing purposes between Britain and the EU in the first two months of this year.

British-trained runners in races in the EU fell by 67 per cent in the first two months after Brexit.

The industry had been warned not to attempt to move horses in the first two weeks of the year due to fears of disruption, while the restrictions caused by the Covid-19 pandemic have been another factor.

However, British-trained runners across the rest of the world, such as Dubai and Saudi Arabia, fell by just 23 per cent.

There was an even greater reduction in the number of EU-trained runners in British races, which fell by 92 per cent in January and February.

That was not reflected in the figures for this month's Cheltenham Festival though. The numbers showed the proportion of declared Irish and French runners at the 2020 and 2021 festivals had remained broadly stable at 38.6 per cent and 38.2 per cent of runners respectively.

Paull Khan, secretary-general of the European and Mediterranean Horseracing Federation, says: "At the top end for a festival like Cheltenham there is remarkable resilience but overall the figures from earlier in the year show there is quite a dramatic impact. It will be interesting to see how that plays out during the year."

Putting up with the burdens

When the rewards are great enough – in terms of better prize-money but also black type opportunities abroad - there is evidence that trainers will put up with the additional burdens caused by Brexit.

Newmarket trainer George Boughey has sent a couple of horses to race in France this month, with the Nick Bradley Racing-owned Mystery Angel narrowly missing out on a Listed-race success at Saint-Cloud on one of those occasions.

Boughey says that whereas once it had been very easy to take horses to the continent – "it used to be like taking a horse to Newcastle" – it is no longer the case.

"It has been very time-consuming," he admits. "Fortunately not for me, but my secretary Nicky and the transport companies who have taken the horses have done a fantastic job. There is considerable paperwork – it's nothing like it used to be.

"It is several hours' work that wasn't there before but we are starting to know what we need to do. It's like anything, when you know how to do it it becomes a bit easier.

"We are not taking horses for low-grade races, they are going for stakes races and their value is dramatically increased if they can run well. You weigh up the pros and cons of whether it is worth it or not and at the moment I think it is."

For jumps trainer Tom George the better prize-money in France means he is prepared to put up with the extra cost and paperwork in order to set up a satellite operation in Chantilly with ten horses.

"The combination of Brexit and Covid has made it incredibly difficult," he says. "However, Lauren in my office has done an unbelievable job sorting it all out. It is not for the faint-hearted, there has been a staggering amount of paperwork.

"Every angle you look at it there's a complication. Every time you think you've got it under control another thing pops its head up."

Ironically, the better prize-money abroad means the rewards are worth it.

"I had a horse who finished sixth in a handicap at Auteuil on Saturday and he won more than a horse who finished seventh in the Gold Cup," George says. "That sums the job up doesn't it?"

It is further down the scale where the effects of Brexit look likely to hit hardest.

"Virtually all of the additional costs relating to Brexit are fixed and therefore they impact disproportionately on the lower-value horses going for the lower-value prizes," Khan says.

"At the top end they represent a much lower percentage of the potential reward. So I think it is almost certainly going to impact on the lower end of operations."

11th hour deal a huge headache

From outgoing Horse Racing Ireland chief executive Brian Kavanagh's perspective, 2021 was always going to be extremely difficult given how late the Brexit deal was signed.

He says: "Part of the difficulty we are all facing is that the agreement was reached on December 24 for implementation on January 1 and of course that is just as the breeding season starts. There has been no prep time or run-in time.

"Whether it is the Department of Agriculture, veterinary authorities, whether it is racing or breeding authorities or whatever, to some extent 2021 is a year to trial run the new systems."

A further addition to what Needham describes as a "perfect storm of red tape" is the creation of a VAT liability as horses move backwards and forwards.

Although the VAT is refundable it can take weeks to process and those cashflow issues caused consternation in January when trainer Willie Mullins talked of the potentially "colossal" sums involved for a meeting like Cheltenham.

Temporary bonds and the use of the temporary export document known as the ATA Carnet have been employed to get round the issue since then but it has not gone away.

Officials on both sides of the Irish Sea have been asked to find an alternative arrangement given that the money involved has to be returned.

"The VAT is refundable once the horse returns but clearly there are potentially cash flow issues around that," Kavanagh says.

"Again both the British and Irish authorities are speaking to their relevant revenue authorities as to whether some alternative means of giving certainty around VAT can be obtained without the need for this financial guarantee. That remains a work in progress."

As if all this were not enough, there are further Brexit issues to emerge. The UK has deferred the introduction of its own border controls from July to at least the start of next year, while EU citizens working in the racing and breeding industry must apply for settled or pre-settled status in the UK by June 30.

While not strictly Brexit-related, there is also the new EU Animal Health Law due to come into force on April 21, although it is still not clear whether stipulations around horses having to isolate for 30 days before travel will come into effect from that date. Horses travelling to race have an exemption from the rule.

Kavanagh could well be speaking for the whole European racing sector when he adds: "As the politics of all this settle down, hopefully we can get into practical, workable solutions."

Those solutions cannot come fast enough for a sector not only having to deal with the extra costs and mountain of paperwork resulting from Brexit but also the disruption and economic storm caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Report onlooker March 29, 2021 3:48 PM BST
Just what PERCENTAGE of the OVERALL Horses in Training in the UK - run, or ever want to run - ABROAD?

'Mountain out of a Molehill' Story
Report dave1357 March 29, 2021 3:52 PM BST
yes but brexit has created molehills everywhere - there isn't any lawn left.  And for absolutely no benefit.  The USA today looking to add additional tariffs on UK exports over the tech tax, but isn't taking the same action against the EU.
Report mrcombustible March 29, 2021 3:54 PM BST
Dave you are forgetting the benefit of Sovereignity and seeing Union Jacks everywhere.
Report onlooker March 29, 2021 5:19 PM BST
^ and getting your Covid Vaccination !
Report ihal essex March 29, 2021 6:13 PM BST
Onlooker: don't you ever tire of the tired old chant "Honest Tommy being shafted by Johnny Foreigner" - Brexit is a disaster this side of the Channel, but hey ho, sovereignty's back and let's bunker down!!
Report onlooker March 29, 2021 6:37 PM BST
Each to their own opinion - essex

You think it is a - "disaster" ... without citing any semblance of proof ...

-  others  think differently

Just as the Jocks think that Independence will be Utopia for them ...

- Others think - that it would be financial suicide on their part.

Each to their own opinion - essex.

... and I certainly do not recognise - nor associate myself with -  your puerile - "Honest Tommy being shafted by Johnny Foreigner" - analogy one Jot.
Report mrcombustible March 29, 2021 6:40 PM BST
Small companies halt exports to EU after delays and red tape
Charlie Parker
Monday March 29 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Personal finance
Seventy per cent of importers and exporters say that they have suffered delays when moving goods around the European Union
Seventy per cent of importers and exporters say that they have suffered delays when moving goods around the European Union
More than a quarter of small exporters have stopped selling to European Union customers three months on from the Brexit transition, a study has found.

The Federation of Small Businesses warned that what might have been dismissed as “teething problems” in the first weeks of January were now looking more like permanent “systemic problems”.

A survey of nearly 1,500 small companies conducted by the employers’ group found that 23 per cent had temporarily stopped selling to the EU and 4 per cent had halted sales permanently. Eleven per cent of exporters were said to be considering a permanent halt.

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The same proportion had set up, or were thinking about establishing, a presence in an EU country to make the process easier, the federation said. About 9 per cent may secure, or are already using, warehouses in the bloc or in Northern Ireland for the same purpose.

Small importers have been hit hard by new paperwork, with 17 per cent temporarily suspending purchases from the EU. The majority — 70 per cent — of importers and exporters said that they had suffered shipment delays when moving goods around the EU in recent weeks. More than 30 per cent have lost goods in transit and a slightly higher proportion have had goods held indefinitely at EU border crossings. Of those that have experienced delays, more than a third have suffered hold-ups that lasted more than two weeks.

There was also a rise in companies seeking expert help with paperwork. More than half of those surveyed required assistance with customs declarations, rules-of-origin paperwork and new VAT obligations.

The federation urged ministers to closely monitor the rollout of the SME Brexit Support Fund, ensuring that small businesses are aware that they can apply for funding to access a range of trading advice, training and technology, and not exclusively to customs and intermediaries.

Mike Cherry, the federation’s national chairman, said: “Those that do business internationally are being hit with some incredibly demanding, unfamiliar paperwork. Three months on from the end of the transition period, what we hoped would prove to be teething problems are in danger of becoming permanent, systemic ones.

While larger firms have the resources and bandwidth to overcome them regardless, smaller traders are struggling, and are considering whether exports are worth the effort any more.


“Our exporters tend to be among our most innovative and profitable small businesses, so it’s troubling to see them bearing the brunt of changes.”

The survey questioned 1,483 businesses in early March, of which 207 were importers and/or exporters.
Report punts March 29, 2021 6:49 PM BST
The funny thing with Brexit is it happened - and hardly anyone noticed.

They said there would be empty shelves at the supermarket and other disturbances to daily life. None of which materialised.

I'm no fan of Boris, et al. but he did the right thing in implementing the result of the referendum and taking us out .
Report ColeWorldNoBlanket March 29, 2021 6:52 PM BST
The supermarket empty shelves happened in NI, and they will only get worse when the actual checks for goods comes in. Boris decided to delay them for 6 months just to rush his deal through and look good
Report brigust1 March 29, 2021 7:05 PM BST
Businesses have problems to solve, what's new? Just forget Brexit because they are using that as an excuse. Get on with it or get out. Do these people really think businesses all over the world don't have problems with this pandemic. I bet they don't all blame Brexit. Get on with it or get out. Simple.
Report Whippin Piccadilly March 29, 2021 8:43 PM BST
Brexit's impact on racing? Sounds like all the problems with racing regarding funding and Covid have been added together to make this misleading headline.
Report ihal essex March 30, 2021 1:05 PM BST
Onlooker: just like you I want Brexit to be a success but,alas, all that's visible so far are the unintended consequences, extra travel Visa requirements for people and pets, empty supermarket shelves, withdrawal of security cooperation, withdrawal from popular Erasmus student scheme, increased insurance premiums and updated licences required to drive abroad, chance to line up in the 'Others' Queue at airports with third world immigrants.....etc etc... and all this coming with a bright new blue passport..... printed in France!!! Apart from the excellent vaccination roll out, which should never have been wrapped in a national flag, pray tell me of one positive Brexit outcome (practical not abstract poppycock about getting sovereignty back, it was never lost!!) Bon appetit!
Report onlooker March 30, 2021 1:59 PM BST
ihal - Of course there will be some Negatives - Just as there will be POSITIVES.

In response ...

1.  extra travel Visa requirements for people and pets,

How many sodding PETS get taken abroad - as a PERCENTAGE of overall Travel?

2.  Empty Supermarket Shelves

WHERE? - Other than initially in Northern Ireland - and the sooner they re-join Eire, the better...
Nothing but a  Drain on Whitehall Finances

3. Withdrawal of Security Operation

You can 'Bet your Boots' that there are 'Arrangements' - and the EU will be GLAD of that,too - as - Just  like the Yanks ...
They will be by far more reliant upon GCHQ - than we are on the Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Maltese, and Romanian 'Intelligence' teams

4. Updated Driving Licences to Drive abroad

INCORRECT - All you need is a Green Card to accompany your CURRENT Insurance.
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 2:08 PM BST
The government has begun inviting applications for the Turing scheme, which will enable UK students to study in other countries.

The scheme is named after the mathematician Alan Turing, and replaces Erasmus, a European Union (EU) programme which UK students can no longer take part in.

The UK turned down an offer to continue participating in Erasmus after Brexit.

Universities minister Michelle Donelan said the Turing scheme would "enable up to 35,000 students throughout the UK to work or study across the globe".

What is the Turing scheme?
The new scheme will provide funding "towards placements and exchanges" of students.

Universities and other organisations in the UK can apply for grants to help cover travel expenses and living costs as well as the administrative costs of running the scheme.

Applications have to be made by bodies such as universities, further education colleges and schools. If they are successful, these bodies can invite their own students to apply for individual funding.

How is it different to Erasmus?
The Turing scheme will provide placements across the world.

Erasmus covers placements across the EU and some non-EU countries that pay to be part of the scheme.

Both schemes are open not only to university students but also those in vocational training, apprentices or those who are retraining through a college or school.

Erasmus offers placements for teaching and college staff and youth workers as well, but the Turing scheme will not.

How much money is on offer?
The amount of money you get under Erasmus depends on where you are going and whether you are a student, apprentice, trainee or staff.

The Turing scheme will offer different amounts based on where you are going and for how long.

For example, a university student going to France for six months would get £335 (€390) per month under the Turing scheme, while the Erasmus scheme paid £317 (€370) per month in 2020-21.
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 2:10 PM BST
Ihad it looks like the Erasmus replacement is better all round. Students can now study around the Globe not just the EU and a few other countries. That has to be good news, yes?
Report loper March 30, 2021 3:48 PM BST

But there is no reference to reciprocal arrangements for EU students studying here.

The whole point of Erasmus was the exchange of students and the 2 way education process.

Turing is NOT a replacement at all!!
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 3:53 PM BST
Errrr? Loper that is for the EU to deal with, not the UK.
Report loper March 30, 2021 3:56 PM BST
You forget that the EU students are taking up places at BRITISH educational institutions.

Well they were, but not now.
Report ColeWorldNoBlanket March 30, 2021 4:05 PM BST

The empty shelves haven't happened yet because they delayed when supermarkets in NI need certificates for food at the border, that doesn't come in till later in the year, like a few other things

People think just because not a lot happened on January 1st it's all over

I see expats that thought nothing was going to change and didn't do the paperwork are soon to be kicked out of Spain as they are illegals. They are moaning even tho they voted Brexit Cry
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 4:38 PM BST
Cole can you really see the EU deporting British expats? We have loads of EU citizens here needing deporting if they go down that route? I don't think it will happen and when they realize the huge extra work they have dumped on their local services these rules will be waived.
Report duncan idaho March 30, 2021 4:42 PM BST
We have loads of EU citizens here needing deporting

whole crops of fruit, flowers etc are going to waste cos no Brits will pick them...there are v few EU citizens that GB would benefit from deporting, quite the opposite
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 4:50 PM BST
The Brits wont pick them Duncan, because they refuse to/cannot work for that money. You don't want to believe everything the farmers tell you. The farmers provide accommodation etc and charge for it whereas Brits living in the area have costs to cover. The Brits always picked things before and when the farmers realize they cannot rely on cheap labour, just like the stables, things will change. It will take time but things will change.
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 4:51 PM BST
And I never said the EU citizens SHOULD be deported I suggested the Spanish and French etc will tread ware
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 4:52 PM BST
Warily before they start deporting people. It will all be sorted, don't worry.
Report loper March 30, 2021 6:19 PM BST
I think the EU citizens residing in the UK are providing far more to GDP than the brexit voting decrepits sitting about moaning in Spain.
Report sparrow March 30, 2021 6:39 PM BST
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 8:23 PM BST
You LEAVERS are such bad losers. LaughLaughLaugh  Move on ffs.
Report metro john March 30, 2021 8:51 PM BST
Report brigust1 March 30, 2021 10:34 PM BST
Hi Metro. How is life treating you? Have you had the jab yet? Or are you too young?
Report metro john March 30, 2021 11:35 PM BST
Hi Brigust, I have learned through life to bow to my Elders SirWink
Report metro john March 30, 2021 11:43 PM BST
How is Brigust anyway? Any Classic spots yet?
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 11:36 AM BST
If the proposed Turing Scheme is better than Erasmus, how come British universities are so vehemently critical of it, citing prohibitive extra costs that will mean only the wealthy can benefit, bit like mummy and daddy paying for Tabatha or Jessica to jump the queue and get their little blossoms into unpaid internships at the top national newspapers and TV stations!

I want Brexit to be a success but so far all I can see are the negatives. Onlooker: I'm still waiting to hear of a single aspect of our life that Brexit has improved!

Has anybody really read the eye-opening Barber RP piece?

There are none so blind as those who will not see!!
Report cloone river March 31, 2021 12:03 PM BST
If England were to have a vote on Brexit again what would the out come be?
Report brians March 31, 2021 12:05 PM BST
Nothings changed, except we have the independence people all over the world fight for . Its worth having. Its over, when will these pathetic remoaners see that.
Report sparrow March 31, 2021 12:10 PM BST
It was over in 1975 too.
Report cloone river March 31, 2021 12:10 PM BST
Was Brexit good for they citizens living at home and aboard?
Report fife March 31, 2021 12:55 PM BST
Unfortunately a lot of brexiteers are like Trump supporters who will never admit that they might have got it wrong.
Report sparrow March 31, 2021 1:02 PM BST
To listen to brexiteers you'd think 98% of the electorate voted for it.
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 3:14 PM BST
Odd. Fife thinks Remainers, who, like him, cannot admit they got it wrong, are just like Leavers and he would be right. They are just ordinary people.

And Sparrow backs horses where the winner is the winner irrespective of the margins. Odd!
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 3:15 PM BST
Hi Metro. No ante post for me any more. The Ballydoyle team has seen that off. Have you any fancies?
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 5:02 PM BST
Sad to see, not a single positive change being claimed as a result of Brexit, except for the absolutely certifiable delusion that "independence" has been reclaimed - something that was never lost! Beginning to think Bojo and Nije has sold us a whole lot of porkies!
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 6:33 PM BST
Methinks you are one sad individual Ihad. Try a bit of positive thinking. Carrying the torch for organisations who couldn't give a monkey's about you just to try to justify you were wrong. Pull yourself together and get on with life.
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 6:49 PM BST
Brigust: personal abuse is so juvenile and a bit pathetic so, as someone like me who WANTS Brexit to succeed, can you please reveal one positive (just one!) of us leaving the EU! And please stop scraping your knuckles, take a deep breath before you answer! No slogans please!
Report loper March 31, 2021 6:53 PM BST
I've never said this about anyone on here, but because you now cannot provide any logic to back up your brexit fantasy you are resorting to irrational personal insults.

Therefore you are a complete and utter T****r.
Report loper March 31, 2021 6:54 PM BST
Oooops, if you were not aware then that was directed at you, Brigust1
Report onlooker March 31, 2021 7:00 PM BST
SKy News - now ...

FRANCE on the Floor with Covid - 5,000 in Intensive Care.

Macron getting some justifiable stick.

Merkel looks HAUNTED - every time she appears

The above two 'Leaders' now going 'cap in hand' to Putin for the sodding Sputnik vaccine ....

- and - We would have been in that same embarrassing QUEUE

Thank goodness that we are NOT.
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 7:03 PM BST
You confuse personal abuse with sensible advice. How many thousands of businesses do you think trade with the EU? And you come up with  handful of complainers, remainers, who have had it so good for years while the country they live in has struggled. It's time they put their shoulder to the wheel and stopped living off handouts. There are thousands of positives every day and if you cannot see them that's because you simply refuse to. I cannot help you there. Good luck to you.  And you complaining and moaning will not change the fact that we have left the failed EU experiment and many more countries will follow our lead. Get behind your country instead of trying to bitch about it, how very sad that is.
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 7:08 PM BST
Never mind Loper you have just confirmed you are not a team player. You lose so you just blame everyone else. You don't have to stay here you know. I wonder if you know somewhere better? I very much doubt it.
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 7:12 PM BST
Bri: glad you've calmed down and that you have cut out the personal abuse, we're both on the same side Old Boy, but you still haven't published a single positive outcome from Brexit SO FAR, so less of the gazing into the future, what's positive so far?????
Report layingisthewayforward March 31, 2021 7:20 PM BST
I can think of one positive (vaccines) but no negatives ?
Report loper March 31, 2021 7:20 PM BST
Like the Chinese, the Russians, the Nazis, Hungary and others of similar ilk, in the UK today you have to display nationalist tendencies in order to avoid being described as unpatriotic.

Hope your Union flag is unfurled, Brigust1.
Report layingisthewayforward March 31, 2021 7:21 PM BST
I certainly haven't seen any empty shelves in the supermarket.
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 7:58 PM BST
Something positive please, soon! I'm losing faith! Surely we don't have to wait ten years!!
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 7:58 PM BST
Something positive please, soon! I'm losing faith! Surely we don't have to wait ten years!!
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 8:15 PM BST
The positive result is we are out of the EU. That is the most positive thing of all. We have finally cut the chord and you can now watch the EU slowly disintegrate. This is the country to live in and this is where people want to be. Trying to find silly ideals just to talk our country down belittles you Ihad. Who cares about universities who have milked the system for years, paid themselves huge salaries, and now find their gravy train has left the station. And the huge mounts of monies they received from the EU we gave the EU in the first place.
That's positive an d the most positive result of all. We are out of the EU. We are out of the EU. We are out of the EU. Three very positive reasons to celebrate.
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 8:27 PM BST
Other positives are: When I wake up in the morning I feel good not being in the EU. When I switch on the TV we don't get interminable misinformation from the BBC about leaving the EU. The man who used to walk up and down outside the TV studios in London chanting STOP BREXIT is out of a job, I celebrate that. It is a positive. Theresa May is no longer PM. That is a positive. The list is endless but most importantly for me I feel good about it. It is a great move and my country will thrive. That is positive. Feeling good is very positive.
Report fife March 31, 2021 9:16 PM BST
Having a government that has handed contracts out to cronies, having a prime minister who has the morals of an alley cat is probably a positive in your eyes as well.
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 10:12 PM BST
I though this was about Brexit, not the SNP, fife?
Report ihal essex March 31, 2021 10:38 PM BST
Brigus: you've solved the lack of positivity - you wake up every morning refreshed, salivating about the prospect  of the EU, Britain's biggest trading partner partner going bankrupt!! Thank you for that positive response , have you considered getting psychiatric help, if not I beg you, please, keep away from sharp implements!! You belong to Monty Pythons Flying Circus!! Take the medication and go to bed! Bon Noir!
Report brigust1 March 31, 2021 10:43 PM BST
LaughLaughThat's better ihal. You have a sense of humour. My positive thoughts about Brexit have created another positive. Happy days ahead for all.
Report asparagus April 1, 2021 9:28 AM BST
Brigust the nostalgic old fool who thinks that Brigadier Gerard was better than Frankel. When nostalgia clouds your judgement to that extent it's no surprise he's a Brexit loon too.
Report mwnn April 1, 2021 9:37 AM BST
10 minutes away from where i live..the fishing port of Brixham ( the largest by catch landed) is suffering the
complete opposite of what they were promised,over 80% of what they catch is exported..or was,

The trawler operators,skippers,crew, fish processors,delivery and exporters are struggling to survive.
To say they are very angry that they have been lied to and conned is a massive understatement.

This is being replicated in fishing ports n harbours around the West County.Being positive about brexit won't
help them.
Report ihal essex April 1, 2021 10:01 AM BST
Brigus reveals first Brexit positive in a post that evokes memories of inspirational civil rights leader Martin Luther King

Brigus...."I Had A DREAM!"
Report brigust1 April 1, 2021 10:41 AM BST
I may be an old fool Asparagus but what did Frankel do that Brigadier Gerard didn't?

Latest data this morning for the UK has shown that manufacturing activity grew sharply in March as business optimism hit a seven-year high.

Today’s latest figures have shown that the index rose to 58.9 per cent last month, making the highest reading in just over a decade. Anything above 50 is seen as a sector in growth.

Positive enough for you Ihal?
Report ihal essex April 1, 2021 2:16 PM BST
Latest data this morning for the UK has shown that manufacturing activity grew sharply in March as business optimism hit a seven-year high.

Tell that to the fishermen and exporters Brigust, I'm sure they'll be jumping up and down!!
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 3:01 PM BST
Any links for your post, Mwnn? I live in South Devon and this was the only news I've read about Brixham lately.

Those horrible Tories using money that we use to give the bureaucratic EU to waste, are now making plans to use these funds to fix things in OUR own country. Don't you just hate Brexit!
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 3:08 PM BST
The UK will now be an independent coastal state and the mechanism of ‘relative stability’ that previously governed quota shares, which was deemed unfair by the government, will end. The proportion of fish caught in UK waters by UK vessels will increase, with the share of fishing rights in UK waters given to UK boats increasing from about half to two-thirds.[1] The UK has also maintained tariff- and quota-free access to the EU market in which much of the fish they catch is sold, although this will entail new paperwork and SPS checks.

Absolutely zero benefits of Brexit for the UK is there, Ihal? The UK is leading the way with Covid vaccinations while the leaders of the EU squabble amongst themselves.....but yeah, there are NO benefits of Brexit for the UK. Grin
Report loper April 1, 2021 4:05 PM BST
Are you mad WP???

We catch more fish than we can eat in the UK. We used to export 80% to the EU as an equal party, being inside the Single Market and the Custom Union.

We have now left both these institutions and are a 3rd party country, subject to the very rules that mean no other country outside the EU bothers to export fish to them because of the bureaucratic complications.

The last thing we need to do is catch more fish. This Brixham plan is a ludicrous waste of money.
Report metro john April 1, 2021 5:05 PM BST
I do not like the idea of Breaking up human cooperation, but what had Europe achieved? never read too much about it on the propaganda machine? well, I figure, they never wanted us to know! For whatever the reason this world capitalist federation decided that the EU was to be no more, but no sooner we are out, the War propaganda is beginning, and we should all keep this in sight, they are spending on Weapons the controlled media message is one of fear, I figure they want us to see that (FEAR).
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 5:10 PM BST
The UK has also maintained tariff- and quota-free access to the EU market

Can you read Loper? So, Europeans are going stop eating as much fish because it comes from the UK? Even though we're on their doorstep? And other non EU countries won't buy the extra fish we catch from us? Who's the mad one again?
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 5:26 PM BST
This Brixham plan is a ludicrous waste of money Yeah, lets not create something that will enable us to maximise one of the main resources of living on a Island. In that case I think the French should stop creating so many vineyards and producing so much world class wine.
Report loper April 1, 2021 5:36 PM BST
A Brixham fisherman has spoken out about his regrets about voting Leave and in turn has received the sympathy of thousands of Twitter users.

Ian Perkes, a fish exporter from Brixham, believes the town’s fishing industry has been destroyed by Brexit and if he could turn the clock back he’d vote to remain in the European Union.

Ian added: “I think I was sort of taken along on the ride we were all on with the bus going around; you know we were going to save £350 million per week that we were throwing at Brussels, that we’re going to have this free trade and Europe were going to be desperate for our fish because we had control of it all. We’d be in control of our own destiny.

“I’m very disappointed with the comments, you know, Rees Mogg, ‘happy fish’. I don’t think there’s any room to make any jokes about this current situation.

“Forty four years I’ve been selling fish and overnight it’s pretty much been destroyed. I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel.”
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 6:22 PM BST
Imagine judging the success or not of Brexit during a worldwide pandemic which has involved lengthy lockdowns. How many restaurants have even been open in France during this time? Every sector has been hit but at least we are getting to grips with things here in the UK, France is going back into another lockdown.....let me guess, Brexit is to blame for this too?
Report ihal essex April 1, 2021 6:29 PM BST
Apart from  Brigust's orgasmic Martin Luther King-like dream not a single positive has been forthcoming - time to separate fantasy from fact, aspiration from reality and change the record (Brigust, change the sheets as well). Radio 5 Live has investigated the fishing debacle in depth, not a single seafarer i heard spoke in favour, in fact they are so desperate that outlets have had to be opened in Denmark to try to get round the nightmare bureaucratic mess.
British University spokesmen have universally rubbished the proposed Turing replacement for the Erasmus scheme, citing that the new costs involved puts it beyond the means of the ordinary working-class family.

Wish I was wrong but Time to wake up boys, we've been sold a pup! I blame Nigel, where is he now btw?
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 1, 2021 6:30 PM BST
Don't worry, the EU will be finished once Italy leaves and they will in the next 4 years(Nap)
Report ihal essex April 1, 2021 8:20 PM BST
Bloody hell, another fantasy believer! Just address the issues, it's a total shambles! Name one positive reason why we're now better off! No abstract waffle please about getting back something that was never lost! It's delusional clowns like you who just mouth ridiculous aspirational slogans who turn off people who, now that Brexit is a reality, want it to work!!
Address the concerns, WHAT HAS GONE WRONG AND WHEN WILL IT GET BETTER!! No more John Bull bullshit please!!!
Report brigust1 April 1, 2021 11:10 PM BST
I am sorry Ihal but you are just a bad, bad loser. Get over it. You lost. The only bad thing to come out of Brexit is that the moaners and whiners and complainers, like you, who all they want to do is talk the country down, like you, will benefit for the rewards. That sadly is the downside.
Report mwnn April 2, 2021 8:09 AM BST
brigust,your pyrrhic victory really does mean a lot to you...why would that be ?
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 8:45 AM BST
Actually mwnn it is quite the opposite, it will cost me. I voted to leave and I didn't expect to win so I was fully prepared to accept the result. Why can't the remainers do the same? Accept the result and get behind this country? I didn't vote to join in 1975 but I fully accepted the result. Added to that I am a punter and I am used to accept success and defeat so I would fully expect like minded people to do the same instead of trying to find ways to drag this country down. The vote is over just the same as a stewards enquiry or a horserace, it's over, move on.
Report dave1357 April 2, 2021 9:21 AM BST
brigust1 voting leave was a mistake, when you accept that, we will stop calling out those who voted for it.
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 9:41 AM BST
^ says who ffs?
Report duncan idaho April 2, 2021 10:01 AM BST
'Get over it''s a persuasive argument for why Brexit is a good thing...sadly, it's all they've got, all the 'victories' are imagined, the negatives are reality
Report ihal essex April 2, 2021 10:04 AM BST
Brigust: I didn't vote in the referendum as I was abroad at the time. For the umpteenth time I want Brexit to be a success, but so far the negative unintended consequences have been overwhelming, with worse to come! Pointing out the blindingly obvious negative impact of Brexit does not make me a 'remoaner', I'm a realist, so take an honest look at the current fiasco and give me ONE practical positive that Brexit has improved our lives! No wet dream aspirational waffle. No mindless slogans!
Where's Nigel, abroad probably, wonder how he liked being in the 'OTHERS' airport queue!
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 10:12 AM BST
Ihal. What you completely fail to understand is the feeling Leavers have about getting their country back and not being subservient to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. It is a great feeling I can tell you. Every morning I wake up and thank the voters. I am so sorry you don't get that feeling but that isn't my problem, that is yours. In every relationship there are for's and against's. In a marriage if you concentrate on the against's you will be unhappy so the only decision is you either stay and make it work or leave. It's the same with the UK, unless you want to be unhappy for years and years, moaning about you lot, you either get on with it, try to make it work or leave. The choice is yours. 

Duncan; I refer you to my post of 10.41 AM yesterday.
Report layingisthewayforward April 2, 2021 10:30 AM BST
You lot spent the last 5 years or so arguing whether to vote leave or remain and now you're arguing over whether it's been a success or not.

Bonkers the lot of you. **** all has changed imo.
Report ihal essex April 2, 2021 11:45 AM BST
Brigust: I did say no waffle!! "Leavers getting their country back" - wise up Old Boy, the country was never lost, the empire's gone though, maybe that's what's fuelling your irrational denial of reality!
Bon appetit
Report duncan idaho April 2, 2021 12:08 PM BST
What you completely fail to understand is the feeling Leavers have about getting their country back and not being subservient to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. It is a great feeling I can tell you.

It's an illusion, it's make might as well wake up every morning, tell yourself you're sh@gging a 20-y-o Brigitte Bardot and get a 'great feeling' out of that
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 12:24 PM BST
Ihal, I will take you back to just before the referendum when David Cameron went cap in hand to the EU to ask for permission to determine benefit payments and they told him to sling his hook. That forced him into calling for a referendum. The EU had final broken the camels back. Au revoir EU, and all who sail in you.

It isn't an illusion, it is just something you will never understand Duncan. It is a pity but there you go.
Report ihal essex April 2, 2021 1:47 PM BST
All reasons why Brexit happened, I understand that, but we're here now and let's try and make it a success! My question to you was what is a single positive you can put forward to counter the litany of unintended consequences - your answer is NONE! Go to bed and maybe have another dream and warm feeling!
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 1:54 PM BST
^^^^^^ I refer you to my post of 10.41 AM yesterday.
Report duncan idaho April 2, 2021 2:50 PM BST
Re. your post of 10.41 AM yesterday.

Rob Dobson, director at IHS Markit, which compiles the survey, said: “The domestic market remained the prime source of new orders, as companies reported that the vaccine rollout and clients’ preparations for the loosening of lockdown restrictions underpinned the expansion.

He added: “Weak export sales and supply-chain issues are likely to remain constraints on growth moving forward, however, with shipping issues already leading to severe disruption to production schedules, raw material availability and the onward distribution of finished products to clients, especially abroad.”

Duncan Brock, group director at the Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply (CIPS), said: “All in all, a great end to the first quarter where some businesses recovered losses from last year, but the reality of continued supply chain disruption as a result of Covid, Brexit and now the Suez delays could potentially rein back some of the gains in April.”
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 3:11 PM BST

Latest data this morning for the UK has shown that manufacturing activity grew sharply in March as business optimism hit a seven-year high.

Today’s latest figures have shown that the index rose to 58.9 per cent last month, making the highest reading in just over a decade. Anything above 50 is seen as a sector in growth.
Report brigust1 April 2, 2021 3:16 PM BST
The PMI survey showed new orders rising at the second-fastest pace for more than three years as companies geared up for a lifting of restrictions. However, the reading was flattened by one of the sharpest increases in supply chain delays and logistics issues on record.

The EU continues to battle with rising coronavirus cases as France enters its third national lockdown.

France will shut schools for at least three weeks and extend tough lockdown measures to the entire country in a bid to combat a third wave of Covid cases sweeping across the EU.

The lockdown will begin on Saturday and will last for at least a month.


Sterling remains well supported following today’s latest figures. The pound has also benefited from a weaker euro pushing to new yearly highs.


The dollar has continued its strong run over the past few weeks. Recent data has suggested that the US economy is beginning to pick up. This afternoons employment and PMI figures will be closely monitored for further signs of any pick up in activity.


We are starting to see the euro weaken off as the EU continues to struggle with a rise in Covid cases.

France is the latest country to impose strict lockdown measures to try to combat rising infection levels. Markets will monitor the situation over the coming weeks to see what impact this will have economically.
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