Mar 13, 2021 -- 5:55AM, the dealer wrote:
What I'm saying if it was an 8/1 chance with no drift, there would be little comment
But markets are hugely significant in predicting the performance of a horse, so it's a flawed comparison.
Mar 13, 2021 -- 6:23AM, 11kv wrote:
Same thing imo
I agree, particularly as he's drifted to what some people would have considered to be a "great each-way bet" at 5s.
Mar 13, 2021 -- 6:32AM, swiftynifty wrote:
I backed the horse IR because of how well he was apparently travelling. He was short of room on a couple of occasions up the straight and Moore is not going to manufacture a gap in a poxy Wolverhampton race at 11.45 in the morning. But that's like a lot of jockeys in the small races, back them at your peril, but nothing sinister imo, despite the drift.
What planet are you on? There was room at every stage, they were all over the track.
Mar 13, 2021 -- 7:08AM, punchestown wrote:
He was never remotely interested in getting involved in that race at any stage,that's the long and short of it.Like all jockeys their posture and body language through a race tells you everything you need to know.
Agreed. I appreciate racing is all about opinions, but I find it incredible people could watch that and think "yeah, that was fine", particularly in the context of the market move.
Mar 13, 2021 -- 7:31AM, pablo-fanque wrote:
warrack ,which part of my description is wrong ?
All of it?
Mar 13, 2021 -- 8:49AM, werbie wrote:
2 out mr hunt? have another look and see where he was supposed to go.It was still a lock in with just less than 1f to go, coasted last 100yds nothing to see
Jockeys go through those kind of gaps every single race. There was loads of room.
Mar 13, 2021 -- 9:03AM, pablo-fanque wrote:
on this video, he has a wall of horses in front of him , there is no gap until 8-9 seconds into the videotrue or false cecil ?
What do you think that is?
Mar 13, 2021 -- 5:50AM, 11kv wrote:
Horse never picked up,stopped riding 1/2 f out when could have placed.
Thar ya go
Mar 13, 2021 -- 9:40AM, werbie wrote:
Newsflash - An 8f
Mar 13, 2021 -- 9:45AM, pablo-fanque wrote:
just to clear this upi am not saying that he was definitely trying all out , he wasn't imo, as he looked to be cruising 3.5 furlongs out .but coming into the straight , he had no where to go , imo . cecil , that pic you put up, he has at least 2 lengths to make up to get to that gap .was all this deliberate ?if that's what the conversation is about , i may well be wrong . good luck
Did he try to make those lengths up? At no point did he get serious with the horse. If you've finished 6th and not ridden a finish or used the whip more than once then the interference would have to have been a lot worse than it was to justify it.
Mar 14, 2021 -- 6:03AM, werbie wrote:
Final word from me on this - Host chivvied along 1st furlong surrounded by horses. Its a lock in when turning into the home straight all jockeys are busy with daylight in front them bar Host who has nowhere to go. RM looking for a way out, there is none until the furlong pole, coasts home. Didn't look great. In my opinion the horse needs 1m, he's had 11 runs at up to 7f won 0, Where is the turn of foot? Why has he had 3 runs over 8f or more? Not because he's a speed merchant. Won over 8f at Wolver staying on strongly. Had he got a V strong pace yesterday the gaps would have more than likely opened up and he would have had a shout but it was muddling and not his cup of tea imo. Have a great Sunday
The pace wasn't muddling yesterday, as per the sectionals. Similarly, he was not "staying on strongly" when he won, he quickened past rivals off a slow pace. You don't run sub 24 seconds over a mile at Wolves if the pace is strong. He was unlucky off a break over 7f in January.
Mar 14, 2021 -- 7:00AM, maleuk01. wrote:
I dont think RM even looked for a clear passage.The eventual winner was half a length up and being scrubbed 2 furlongs out while RM sat motionless. When a gap appeared he didnt even bother, just coasted it home.With it going from 11/10 to 9/2 as well it made it look even worse.If the same horses where to run again, same weights etc what price would it be? 6/4 i guess.
Totally agree. Even if you assume the gap wasn't there, he made no effort to look for one, or create one. People can't seriously be arguing that in the same scenario on a horse that'd gone from 9/2 to 11/10 that he'd have made the same 'effort'? He'd have put the winner through the rail trying to get out.