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By:
Hayden
When: 06 Mar 21 10:17
Poor thread.

In this case the truth about the verdict is subjective.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Mar 21 10:26
exactly most important question in the whole saga and inquiry asks
mr elliott do you no who and why photo,s were released
mr elliott NO
OK
2 SUGARS OR 3 mr elliott
By:
layingisthewayforward
When: 06 Mar 21 10:31
Lol Stewarty, you're mistaking me for someone who gives a ****.
By:
sageform
When: 06 Mar 21 10:36
It is essential to find and punish those responsible for publishing the pictures as they are the ones who have done the damage. Without their action nobody else would have known that they existed.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Mar 21 10:37
think theres a contradiction there somewhere
By:
GAZO
When: 06 Mar 21 10:39
brush it under the carpet,pretty much how jimmy saville and co get away with things for so long
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Mar 21 10:42
racing/gravy trainers think they can control this now,which means they no where/why this happened and we dont,but what they cant control is what,can,might happen at chelt and aintree ,and sods law if it happens this year their starting from ground zero in trying to defend it
By:
ericster
When: 06 Mar 21 10:47

Mar 5, 2021 -- 4:29PM, Tiger Tiger wrote:


Harsh in my opinion, something had to be done of course, personally I thought that a £100,000 personal fine, a warning and a stable inspection every week for two years would have sufficed and appeased everyone.


I'd go along with that.

By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 11:06
I don't agree with the sentence and I am certain the reason it wasn't discussed on the morning show was because they didn't believe it either, but it is what it is and what I think matters not.

I don't agree that the others in the photo should be blamed along with the person who took the photo. Has no-one heard of not shooting the messenger? If it was a lad on the horse and the trainer was watching that would be a different story but it was the other way around. It was the trainers responsibility, that is his job.

I also agree with 'leif' in that in any other industry the boss would have walked. 

I always believed horseracing circles, especially reporting, was too incestuous and this has done nothing to change my views.

I don't know how many on this forum have actually worked in racing and looked after horses for a living but I wouldn't be surprised if it is not many, given the responses I have read but, as I said earlier, it is what it is.
By:
G Hall
When: 06 Mar 21 11:08
It is a disgrace what GE has been put through in the last week, trial by media, I really hope he is strong enough to see this out, the people judging him, must be saints
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 11:11
I am not a saint and I would never even think about doing what he did. Are you saying you would do that? G Hall are you saying yo would sit on a dead animal and have your photo taken with thumbs up, on the phone. Is that something you would do?
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 11:12
All the do-gooders on this forum, would any of you do what Elliott did?
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:15
Agreed G Hall,as angry and disgusted as the photo made me ,the reactions have been just as sickening.In context all he did was bring the sport into disrepute,as bad as that was,his punishment fit the the "Crime",his trial on here and social media proves a middle ages type lust for blood still exists!!!
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 11:20
No-one? I guess that answers any questions then.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 06 Mar 21 11:24
Nothing wrong with all the debate from both sides, what you must keep in mind is only one or two % of the general

public will have a clue who GE is.
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:25
Brigust I was brought up on an 800 acre estate with horses and cattle as part of my daily life,what is your point?
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:26
Stop lying. It's a farkin disease with you Toby
Jesus wept weren't you hugged by mommy as a child?
By:
Deptford
When: 06 Mar 21 11:27
glen, you mean you had one of those plastic toy farm kits.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 Mar 21 11:29
Anyone on this thread who has worked in racing deserved to be listened to.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:31
Liars and silly old duffers notsomuch
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:32
Yes I suppose I may have imagined it,if you have the resources go and look at Perth sales record for cattle around 1972 and you will find the biggest ever Fresian bull sold in the UK at the time,it was ours!!!Wink
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:34
Glentoby trying to derail a thread again
ME me me me me
No-one CARES what your daydreams and past wishes were.
Back to GE
What the thread is about
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:36
Were you born with brain damage cuckoo or were you dropped on your head from a great height?
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:39
That football you played keepy-uppy with Maradona at half-time in Napoli?
Told us about it on his RIP thread
Did you get it signed? Might be worth a bullseye, pay for your daily booze that Walter.
What 17 carat gold plum you are Toby Laugh
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:41
Seething envy cuckoo,may if you had chosen a similar career your life might have been enhanced?Wink
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 11:42
Glen, would you do what Elliott did?
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 11:45
Of course not Brig,already condemned him for his actions,I never witnessed any such behaviour toward animals,it was sickening.However his trial on here and elsewhere is a punishment on it's own imvho.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Mar 21 11:45
its the equivalent of a football manager been banned from the ground during a 90 min game i doubt anyone would call that severe,
will they be policing that elliott isnt just carrying o as normal besides race days in some way
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:45
Of course he would. He invented it on his 800 acre farm Cool
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 11:47
Will be absolutely amazed if more doesn't come out about this culture
Someone might not be happy with the perceived leniency of fatman's sentence.
By:
G Hall
When: 06 Mar 21 12:09
I'm not defending what he did, it was in bad taste, but he didn't injure or inflict any cruelty on the horse. Every day at the races jockeys are whipping horses, is that not worse than what elliott did?

The outrage and trial by media was totally over the top, it has destroyed the man. In Ireland last week two brothers were beheaded, it hardly made the news. What Gordon did, didn't warrant the abuse and kangaroo court trial.
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 06 Mar 21 12:11
He received a punishment he can serve standing on his head.
Unless the multi-millionaire receives some physical abuse then I'll lose no sleep over his treatment.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 12:20
I think that answered my question, thank you. Although this forum is filled with a wide range of people no-one would confess to doing what Elliott did. I am pleased about that, it restores a bit of my faith in human nature. Whether you think he has suffered enough and whether our sport deserves the image it has is something else.

I also believe very strongly that when O'Leary said he was going to the hearing with Elliott to the IRHB meeting, I knew the threat of massive legal costs if there was an appeal, unless he was treated leniently, would be hanging over the boards head. O'Leary didn't go there just to show solidarity for his friend. If you believe that you will believe anything.
By:
Steamship
When: 06 Mar 21 12:43
As I wrote earlier in the week a ban and a fine might be the least of his worries. If by publishing the picture someone wanted his business destroyed yet it hasn't been. Lets hope this is the end of the matter.
By:
MJK
When: 06 Mar 21 12:43
The penance is right, can those of you who feel the need to post every 5 mins with outrage just accept it and move on? Perhaps join a club with the journo who says he is giving the game up, purely to receive the attention he is now receiving and to see how many likes he gets on Facebook. Or ask the 'lady' why if she's so concerned about animal welfare did it take until now to release the photo? Interesting seeing the reaction from readers, mainly females it has to be said, on several newspaper sites. Jail him, ban him for life etc, the poor horse. The same people aren't concerned about the poor horse when they're picking their Grand National bets are they? Huge hypocrisy everywhere on this subject, from the BHA to general public to punters. There isn't one person(I assume) who wasn't shocked by the photo yet it seems if you dont agree Elliott should be banned for life you're putting your head in the sand. Osbourne on Sky Racing, Dwyer on RUK, Mulrennan's missus on ITV. Osbourne, Dwyer and Mulrennan all on tape conspiring to cheat so how many of you have contacted these channels in disgust,  how many journos are sickened by this? Just one hypocrisy after another. Finally, how many people are actually horrified for the horse in question rather than the 'perception ' it gives of racing? Think about it.
By:
buddeliea
When: 06 Mar 21 12:56
I dont think being a hypocrite means you cant have an opinion on Elliot's punishment.

I personally hate any type of cruelty to animals, yet i try to make money betting on animals that could get injured or lose their life, every time they race.
So i am a hypocrite.
I still have an opinion on how Elliott should have been dealt with.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 13:07
MJK you are wrong in almost every respect. It isn't about the horse dying, that is very sad but it is part of horseracing. It is the disrespect shown to the horse who has given his life for the idiot who sat on him.
By:
glentoby
When: 06 Mar 21 13:11
Did Howard Johnson get as much abuse for stripping the nerves from a horses legs so he could carry on racing it and it would feel no pain even if injured? Context Brig?
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Mar 21 13:13
Conflating historical cases of race fixing and doping with the disrespect shown by Elliott to a horse in his care who would no longer be earning him any money is ridiculous. However much Elliott proclaims his shame, the facts are he clearly treats the horses in his care as commodities, as cash cows or for use of a better word cattle. The shame is from getting caught, not from the act itself. I've no doubt it is the lads and lasses of the horses who show them the love, respect and dignity these wonderful animals deserve. The punishment has been announced , it will soon be served, let's hope genuine horse loving owners in the yard remove all of their horses from this man.
By:
brigust1
When: 06 Mar 21 13:15
I think he got 4 years in total Glen and decided to retire. Context I guess.
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