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Should lose his license for this shocking for one of the sports top trainers
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Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 11:15 AM GMT
Posy,   he didn't seem worried about the girl that looked after Morgan.
Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 11:19 AM GMT
I don't like the attempt to paint him in a good light straight away.

The same with all the tweets from girls that appeared during the week saying how they loved working there and how great he was and loved his horses etc.

The only thing changed on some of them was the name and lengthy of time they worked there.

Quite cynical imo.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 11:26 AM GMT
The very fact they have held this meeting at a secret venue speaks volumes imo. They don't want protestors there putting the pressure. If it was just a run of the mill suspension or whatever they would be quite happy to say where the meeting was.
Report layingisthewayforward March 5, 2021 11:30 AM GMT
Brigust, may i ask what you think would be a suitable punishment?
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 11:32 AM GMT
Re: Sheikh Mohammed

Despite the detailed and gravity of the accusations and findings by the Panorama programme on Sheikh Mohammed he's yet to volunteer or make legal representation to/or against the programme maker and/or company. Neither has Sheikh Mohammed taken legal action to address the damning remark on his character, and court judgement made against him by the judge in a British court involving the threats on Princess Haya.

For someone like Sheikh Mohammed who's a proven control freak and narcissist and extremely wealthy not challenging the legal outcome or Panorama programme maker and company is certainly an extremely ridiculous and nonsensical behaviour from an innocent person without any guilt. Or is because Sheikh Mohammed cannot buy the legal process and decision or probable outside against him in a British court given the weight of evidence accumulated and his probable guilt?
Report hulk23 March 5, 2021 11:37 AM GMT
tweets from girls that appeared during the week saying how they loved working there

fairly sure i read one from a girl who said she hated it there, said he was a bully, shouted in her face and she ended up telling him to stick the job up his "fat ****" ..
Report rommel March 5, 2021 11:37 AM GMT
whens the decision by the ihrb expected?
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 11:39 AM GMT
when the giggy brown envelopes are banked
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 11:46 AM GMT
Impossible will you give up. Do you really think he gives a monkey? Do you really think he wants to drag all this through the courts? Why do you think Panorama chose him? They knew what they could get away with. It is the same with the Royals. You know diddly squat so try not to pretend that you are some sort of knowledge on the subject.
Report Daryl Revok March 5, 2021 11:51 AM GMT
It was Sheikh Mohammed who initiated the court action LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 11:56 AM GMT
Of gawd, the death row groupies are on the case.
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 12:00 PM GMT
With due respect 'brigust' Panorama did not choose him. There're many other more deceiving cases than the barbaric Sheikh Mohammed. But, the kidnapping, imprisoning and disappearing never to be seen in public Princess Shamsa after her abduction on a street in Cambridge (in the UK) needs addressing and questioning how a despicable event like that can be allowed to happen in a street in England. And, recently Princess Latifa.

Who cares about how much the barbaric Sheikh Mohammed spend in the UK on the sport of King? Has prize money increase since his patronage? A few "privileged" in the industry, yes - the rest nearly zero. I certainly did not. Not even from the bookies I placed bets with since his patronage.

The Novichok incident in Salisbury? Was that aired because Russia would never make legal representation in court? Or was it a concern for the British public?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 12:06 PM GMT
This is a horse racing forum Impossible. Why not take your problem where you think it matters. Don't try to use your fanciful ideas that you care about something you know nothing about as a pretext to defending the indefensible? Read the thread title will you. Next time you have a problem paying a bill or getting a price you tell them about the Sheikh and see if that changes their views.
Report posy March 5, 2021 12:11 PM GMT
It is ludicrous that Sheikh M is being used as some sort of benchmark by in the main 'supporters' of GE receiving a smack on the wrist rather than an outright ban/suspension. Talk about trying to muddy the waters .
Every right thinking person knows there is no connection whatsoever.The average man in the street shrugs his shoulders at what goes on in faraway countries ruled by despots;however a buffoon playing the fool with a dead horse is something that is too close to home and is miles away from being acceptable behaviour. When the fool then comes out with a ridiculous **** and bull story to explain his foolery the man in the street thinks he's being taken for a ride and he resents being taken for an idiot. When the  BBC and Sky etc then air the story in every news bulletin horse racing comes under scrutiny and those forces who want the sport banned are given easy ammunition.
Elliot's punishment will hopefully reflect the damage he's caused to the industry and to individual lives ;if not the the matter will rumble on and eventually NH racing will go the way of hunting.
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 12:25 PM GMT
Did Lydia not allude to something similar in her latest piece on Elliot less vocally? Of course we do not know as much as you - who does! But, that's the beautiful thing about this forum, is it not?

Elliot is being investigated about "that" picture that contravenes animal cruelty (even a dead horse) not his training ability. I'd not care less about his presence now. I only want to see the horses, his present is immaterial to me being Cheltenham.

But proportionality in the punishment dished out to Elliot in the scheme of things, I can gladly accept, not ott and idiotic comments not horseracing related. Otherwise, ban the sport in its entirety. And, I can accept that too.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 12:41 PM GMT
Of course we do not know as much as you - who does!
It is you who is making the claims, not me. I am just telling you not this forum while suggesting you don't know everything about the issues are raising. I don't know anything about them and I am certain not many people on here know the true facts but on this case we all know the true facts. Is that too hard to follow?
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 12:44 PM GMT
early in the week [although wind direction may be changing now ] every pundit commenting on this did so with the proviso that something else might come out as they speak next few days hours etc
which suggests like most have us have read/heard rumours on social media of other stuff out there and they are up to at least believing,that these arnt isolated incicdents,which leaves  4 possible outcomes imo
someone/group have been,
1,paid off
2,warned off
3, backed off because outcomes gone farther than they thought
4,there,s nothing out there to see
are any of the pundits/inquiries interested in finding out which one of the 4 it is or just happy to give GE a punishment he and others will accept,cross their fingers and hope it goes away
if i was the one with photo,s/evidence and i wanted to damage ,i,d step back let racing say its sorted it out everyone,s happy nothing to see,isolated incidents,then bang some more evidence out there
Report xaar March 5, 2021 12:48 PM GMT
brigust people are comparing the two because msm and social media dont seem to care what the shake has done because it suits them, the shake has done far worse than ge, it's really not hard to understand.
Report Wesdag March 5, 2021 12:54 PM GMT
When the shake is pictured sitting astride a dead horse, then you'll have a point.
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 1:06 PM GMT
inquiry will be delayed as stewards and elliott will be stopping 4 times to cheer on an elliott yankee on the big screen
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 1:17 PM GMT
XAAR you don't know what the Sheikh has done. You are only going on reports and theories. We know what Elliott has done so stick to something real.
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 1:25 PM GMT
Ignorance is bliss!
Report metro john March 5, 2021 1:48 PM GMT
In recent years the sport as internally smashed itself. The public are well aware of the Drugs issue due to the trainers of shakeys horses, they are well aware of the lack of duty of care due to horses starving being injected etc, and now understand how very little horses mean to some trainers.
Report metro john March 5, 2021 1:48 PM GMT
Greed is the cause.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 1:50 PM GMT
You should know Imp. I will bow to your superior knowledge of this complaint.
Report Captain carnage March 5, 2021 1:53 PM GMT
What have they been doing the last 4 hours?

Watching a film, had a poker tournament?
Report geoff m March 5, 2021 1:58 PM GMT
break @ 11 for tea and biscuits
Lunch break 12:30 till 2.
Report casemoney March 5, 2021 2:00 PM GMT
Is XAAR talking about the hippy hippy Shakes ?
Report 11kv March 5, 2021 2:00 PM GMT
Has Gordo been sentenced yet ?
Report HistoricWarwick March 5, 2021 2:02 PM GMT
Yes - 1832 times above.
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 2:09 PM GMT
He's been giving the Nobel Prize for Peace to Animals esp horses.
Report metro john March 5, 2021 2:13 PM GMT
Just read somewhere the findings will not be released until tomorrow?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 2:16 PM GMT
They have just called the carpenters in to build two sets of gallows. Hanging him just once wont please everybody.
Report metro john March 5, 2021 2:16 PM GMT
Not sure how the presenters on Morning line are going to talk about this? A difficult one.
Report geoff m March 5, 2021 2:20 PM GMT
brigust105 Mar 21 15:16Joined: 07 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 12,315 | Blogger: brigust1's blog
They have just called the carpenters in to build two sets of gallows. Hanging him just once wont please everybody.



Weve only just begun.   Brigust..
Report xaar March 5, 2021 2:20 PM GMT
no case im not
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 5, 2021 2:21 PM GMT
If they've read thjis forum, they'll be waiting for Sheikh Mohammed to arrive as a witness for the defence.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 2:23 PM GMT
They don't want a witness for the defence. What they want is someone to blame.
Report onlooker March 5, 2021 2:25 PM GMT
irishone 04 Mar 21 20:52 

I alluded to the timing last year with the threat of covid about to stop the irish travelling.

Then the year before it was horse flu vaccination passports.n

Three years running now ? Just co-incidence ?

Liked to know who leaked the photo and to whom
----------------

That is just JINGOISTIC self-serving Irish CONVOLUTED  Conspiracy Theory CRAP

Give it a rest - FFS.
Report xaar March 5, 2021 2:29 PM GMT
i dont understand the people on here defending the Sheikh i really dont, leaving your smart replies
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 2:33 PM GMT
I am a firm believer of innocent until PROVEN guilty. You give me the PROOF and I will consider your view. But not on this horseracing thread as an excuse for other peoples actions, please.
Report Daryl Revok March 5, 2021 2:37 PM GMT
brigust1 Joined: Mar 21 11:28 
You are a clown Irish. This wasn't a criminal court. Haya signed up to a marriage with Mo, then, when she had taken him for all the goodies she could lay her hands on she first started screwing around with her bodyguard and then started claiming what a terrible life she was having. Classy individual. Now she wants all she can get. Get real f f s.

Out of interest, what proof do you have of this?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 2:40 PM GMT
Proof of what? She was married. She is a classy individual. She admitted to screwing around with the bodyguard.

But I have to apologise because I don't know that Irish is a clown. I was just guessing there.
Report truehoncho March 5, 2021 2:52 PM GMT
She was a disgrace. She is the daughter of teh King of Jordan and when the arranged marriage to Shk Mo was done it was agreed to allow her to live a western lifestyle with much more freedom than other Saudi Royal wives. She owned horses and partied in elite circles. She had a fabulous life but decided to screw the bodyguard completely disrespecting the privileges she had been given. What a classless tramp.
Report GAZO March 5, 2021 2:56 PM GMT
so she didnt have a fabulous life then,she wanted something else
Report Daryl Revok March 5, 2021 2:56 PM GMT
It's almost like you were right there with her, Honcho
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 2:56 PM GMT
I know this is the wrong thread True but she was a bit of a looker, when I last saw her.
Report truehoncho March 5, 2021 3:00 PM GMT
It's almost like you were right there with her, Honcho --  I wouldn't have minded being her Kevin Costner.

In fairness everything I said is on public record (except the tramp bit).
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 3:10 PM GMT
Trial by peers? LOL

Btw honcho what has Saudi got to do with Sheik Mo?
Report truehoncho March 5, 2021 3:12 PM GMT
I was just trying to say how other Royal brides were treated in that part of the world.
Report duffy March 5, 2021 3:57 PM GMT
What was really, well it would be funny if it wasn't so bloody frightening, certainly from a PR point of view is that some thought that the horse puncher Russell taking over the training of the horses was a smart move, I mean, let's at least force the animal rights mob to have to work a bit for their headlines.
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
You would have thought that bloodlust for public execution was a thing of the past e.g public hanging with housewives taking their knitting to watch,perhaps Madame' Guillotine etc.

As angry and outraged as I may have been initially,taking a step back the day after got things into perspective i.e trial in 2021 is much more horrendous than the past but the ignorance is similar.

He is guilty of bringing the sport into disrepute,no more and no less,if the punsishment exceeds the crime then many,many need to have a long hard look at their own moral compass?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
You cannot just say 'bringing the sport into disrepute'. There are levels of ever charge and this is probably the worst level not the least level. There will be other incidents to guide them and if there are worse incidents then the punishment should be less than handed out for that incident and if there are lesser incidents the punishment must be higher. If this is the worst incident then they have to set the level to ensure that if future incidents occur their hands are not tied.
Report MayoMan March 5, 2021 4:45 PM GMT
Well said Glentoby - we all know NO horses are mistreated in his yard  - it was good to see Tony Mullins's comments too - hopefully a sensible decision will be made this evening
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 4:48 PM GMT
BRIGUST 1,,,,,bollox.HTH

Tell us what else he is guilty of as you are so expert under the rule of racing in Ireland and likely to be reciprocated in other jurisdictions?
Report metro john March 5, 2021 4:53 PM GMT
It will be swept under the carpet.
Report metro john March 5, 2021 4:56 PM GMT
You just know from past exploits, they never do anything, most will be gobsmacked I recon.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 5:43 PM GMT
glen wtf are you on about. For every misdemeanor there is a level of punishment. Is that beyond your understanding?
Report G Hall March 5, 2021 5:45 PM GMT
Yes hopefully common sense will prevail, the man has suffered more public backlash than a serial killer.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 5:51 PM GMT
One year ban. Six months suspended. That's not right. But it will have to do.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 5:52 PM GMT
In fact that is rubbish. Plague on their houses.
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 5:53 PM GMT
Should try and deal with facts Brigust,not personal hope!!!!
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 5, 2021 5:53 PM GMT
No he hasn't, G Hall. That is the most stupid remark I've seen in the whole business.

No serial killer ever has had any approval, never mind the level of support Elliott has enjoyed on this thread.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 5:56 PM GMT
That is O'Leary talking. I bet he put the fear of God up them. You are now talking bollox Glen. Grow up ffs.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 5:56 PM GMT
No-one is going to think it is too much. Use that as a guide if you want.
Report metro john March 5, 2021 5:57 PM GMT
I wonder who thought up the six months suspended?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 5:57 PM GMT
It is more than sufficient and the morons should accept it as a HEFTY penalty!!!!!
Report metro john March 5, 2021 5:58 PM GMT
So, when does the ban begin? and does that mean he can pick and choose which 6 months he wants to work?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 5:59 PM GMT
Metro were you born brain damaged?
Report elise March 5, 2021 5:59 PM GMT
normally it's 14 days after the date it's issued (unless they appeal and then it's 14 days after that hearing) .... i think
Report metro john March 5, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
what does Gigingstown do now?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
It is a complete joke. Six months!! Is that what we think of our sport. Some t w a t can go round sitting on a horse that has died providing him for his living while he takes a phone call. It is an insult and anyone who thinks it is enough should hang his or her head in shame.
Report elise March 5, 2021 6:01 PM GMT
ignore that, ramrumas just pointed out it's been nailed as the 9th
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:01 PM GMT
14 days grace,7 days from today to appeal which will not be happening!!!!  HTH
Report metro john March 5, 2021 6:01 PM GMT

Mar 5, 2021 -- 11:59AM, glentoby wrote:


Metro were you born brain damaged?


I would imagine so, like everyone else, I guess?

Report metro john March 5, 2021 6:03 PM GMT
So Gordon back in time for the new season.  HARD HARD VERY HARD
Report layingisthewayforward March 5, 2021 6:04 PM GMT
Brigust1 what do you believe a fair punishment would have been?
Report Kriskin March 5, 2021 6:04 PM GMT

Mar 5, 2021 -- 11:51AM, brigust1 wrote:


One year ban. Six months suspended. That's not right. But it will have to do.


What did you want?  The outcome is spot on for what happened

Report metro john March 5, 2021 6:05 PM GMT
Now the gigsintown story, they will appeal!
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:06 PM GMT
BRIGUST..........what should the penalty be for Forumites pretending to live in France with WILL issues and land sales deceiving the Forum?
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 6:06 PM GMT
did he do a sting and pay the fine by cheque at the inquiry or did he really take the pish and pay in cash
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:07 PM GMT
Maybe ask Onlooker and cohorts?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 6:13 PM GMT
WTF has that got to do with you Glen? Try sticking to the point if that is possibly within your grasp.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 6:14 PM GMT
Every interviewer is asking IF it is enough, that tells everything.
Report Gordon63 March 5, 2021 6:15 PM GMT
6 months and 6 months suspended in line with my expectations - his words afterwards and confirmation that he won't be appealing for me are genuine and like he said he'll come back a better person, in the meantime I hope measures are in place to support his staff.  Detractors of the man himself and racing in general unfortunately have ammunition for the foreseeable future however it's time for us to move on and increase our vigilance whether in stables, racing yards or racecourses to ensure the horses are ALWAYS put first. I look forward to seeing G Elliott on racecards again.
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:17 PM GMT
My grasp Brigust is facing and telling the TRUTH?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:20 PM GMT
TRUTH is something sadly lacking in society and reflected on here Brigust,had you not noticed?

Many have accused me of porkies but when challenged to cut and paste then post a lie have failed?

You claimed to be in France and were not...........is that simple enough?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 6:26 PM GMT
Get stuffed Glen. I have never accused you of porkies and I suggest you watch what you accuse me of. I have never claimed to be in France when I wasn't so stick that where your misguided views live.
Report impossible123 March 5, 2021 6:30 PM GMT
It's only a game. One mistake some here wanted him hang (professionally) for good. Pathetic.

I think the IHRB has done well. They have surpassed most estimation of them ever delivering a sensible verdict which fits the crime eg it's not animal cruelty, but extremely bad taste nevertheless.
Report fife March 5, 2021 6:41 PM GMT
The loss to his reputation and personal abuse he will no doubt receive will last long after the ban has been served so I would agree that the IRHB have probably delivered a sensible verdict.
Report elisjohn March 5, 2021 6:44 PM GMT
"I was disrespectful to a dead horse, an animal that had been a loyal servant to me and was loved by my staff.
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:44 PM GMT
Brigust "I am stuck in France and have a problem with my will,I have gifted some land to my daughter" etc etc?

You and Andrew in Swindon had not a clue about bank closures etc Post Brexit,every ex pat did?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 6:57 PM GMT
Do I lie Brigust?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 7:01 PM GMT
Btw I would not lie about Jungle Cove,Dundalk being a nap!!!Wink
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 7:02 PM GMT
Would I??LaughWink
Report shiny new shoes please March 5, 2021 7:17 PM GMT
Sport of kings .. Or sick.
Oliver the Vet multiple charges sex with animals
deported to u.k.
Judged by his peers ..
6 months ban ..?.
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 7:22 PM GMT
Glen I cannot get on Bf in France so you have either altered my words or they are taken out of context. Which is it?
Report glentoby March 5, 2021 9:07 PM GMT
Simply told the truth Brigust............HTH If you could not get on here how would I know your words?
Report brigust1 March 5, 2021 10:31 PM GMT
If you check you will know Betfair isn't allowed in France. Now I think you are running a narrow path Glen. I know you have your problems but accusing me of lying isn't acceptable so give it up. You spent a long time harassing Andrew for some unknown reason now get off my back.
Report irishone March 5, 2021 10:41 PM GMT
Betfair is allowed all over the world with a vpn
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