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07 Feb 21 12:20
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12/1 to 6/4, for the new stable.Surprised
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Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 4:11 PM GMT
No problem with connections landing gambles but its the way that all 3 have been campaigned. I wonder who makes up the "The Welly Wobblers Club" Cue a horse named Welly Wobbler coming to a racecourse near you, once they've been paid out.
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:12 PM GMT
The last one like this  was 5/6 years ago
Report s.kenbo February 7, 2021 4:13 PM GMT
Someone is sitting pretty there, Casemoney.

I’d love to get in on a coup! Could someone message me very early next time please!? Grin
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:13 PM GMT
I takey our point withe the first one WP and the way it won, the second was a bit different, course winner well handicapped, the third one has still to win
Report FOYLESWAR February 7, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
yes good luck all participants ,will watch without financial interest !  give it to em !
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
Not me Ken Sad
Report 11kv February 7, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
Good luck Case .

Lend us a tenner
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
Might ask if they are OK for a nip , if last one wins Grin
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
Was it from social media casemoney ?
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
I wished mate Grin
Report sparrow February 7, 2021 4:16 PM GMT
I can't believe you just said that about that Southwell winner dealer.




27Nov20
    Sth C5Hc 3K    1m4f    St    9-5 p    8/9 btn 25L Sky Power 9-7    17/2    A Mullen    68    18    46
02Nov20
    Wol C4Hc 5K    1m6f    St    9-8 p    5/6 btn 16L Dazzling Rock 10-0    66/1    A Mullen    72    19    58
23Oct20
    Ncs C5Hc 3K    2m½f    St/Slw    10-0 p    10/13 btn 21L Bellatrixsa 9-4    66/1    A Mullen    74    —    57
06Oct20
    Sth C4Hc 5K    1m4f    St/Slw    9-4    7/8 btn 28L Durrell 9-7    10/1    A Mullen    76    16    44
13Sep20
    Wol C4Hc 5K    2m½f    St    9-8    8/9 btn 22L Soghan 9-11    66/1    A Mullen    78    50    61
05Sep20
    Wol C3Hc 7K    1m4f    St    9-2    7/7 btn 25L Galata Bridge 9-0    80/1    A Mullen
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:17 PM GMT
Yes Blokes actually a big punter Put it up  A dog punter , But I doubt its his Bet actually posts on Dog forum GrinI hope it is
Report s.kenbo February 7, 2021 4:17 PM GMT
I remember joining in on one about six or seven years ago. Pretty sure it was a Friday night and Cheltenham Gold Cup day. I got some pretty fancy prices at a local independent compared to online prices available. The first one burst out of the stalls and led for a short while, before being headed along way from home, and finished last.

You could have any price you wanted on the remaining three horses after that! Grin
Report blackbarn February 7, 2021 4:17 PM GMT
Re casemoney's posted bet. Anyone want to estimate the odds of getting that bet on as stated?
Report GAZO February 7, 2021 4:18 PM GMT
you can tell things like this were started by rich and well connected people because its called a coup,if things like this was pulled off by poor people it would be called cheating
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:20 PM GMT
Surprised anyone involved has put it up on there to be honest.

Sparrow its a 5 time course winner, won off 74 before,
Report penzance February 7, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
as stated the Southwell winner hacked up
in a Cls3 off 74.Had good back form.
Report carys55 February 7, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
Is this another Gary Wiltshire moment
Report Number9 February 7, 2021 4:22 PM GMT
'm not all that sure Jardine and Bourke qualify as "rich and well connected" ( not that I know anything about them, mind!
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:22 PM GMT
and to those stakes
Report s.kenbo February 7, 2021 4:22 PM GMT
And dropped 15 lb’s in six months.
Report Rollo Tomasi February 7, 2021 4:23 PM GMT
There's a lot of jellussy on this fred. Should have studied your form books more.
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:23 PM GMT
Neither would I No9
Report 11kv February 7, 2021 4:24 PM GMT
come on then lets have it winner winner winner.Excited
Report EVILROYSLADE February 7, 2021 4:24 PM GMT
Nicky Richards to spoil the party!
Report sparrow February 7, 2021 4:24 PM GMT
dealer....Only 5lb lower previous run and beated 25 lengths and thats why neither you, me or anyone else would have considered backing it.
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 4:25 PM GMT
Laugh That drop of 3lbs from LTO really helped
Report impossible123 February 7, 2021 4:26 PM GMT
Let's hope he's not pulled-up.
Report 11kv February 7, 2021 4:29 PM GMT
Some pressure on the jock here I would imagine
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND February 7, 2021 4:30 PM GMT
3 to jump
Report 11kv February 7, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
Boooooo
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
Didnt get home
Report alun2005 February 7, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
1.4 in running but only 4th
Report Gaze733 February 7, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
I backed the third one so they got the memo that it can't win.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk February 7, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
Funny ride on Bullion Boss
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
Imagine they laid the last, could afford to at the prices
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
It's always the last leg that lets you down...
Report penzance February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
some fixed race that was.
Report s.kenbo February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
Some fancy cash outs may have be turned down there. Had a fair chance.
Report blackbarn February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaugh See, there is a god!!!
Report EVILROYSLADE February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
Nicholls comes to racing's rescue!
Report 1st time poster February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
good old pumpkin,richards didnt try a leg
Report swiftynifty February 7, 2021 4:32 PM GMT
One that got away, it was another of the Getaway's.
Report salmon spray February 7, 2021 4:33 PM GMT
Who the hell is Burke ?
Report Gaze733 February 7, 2021 4:33 PM GMT
Actually they didn't, there was no massive lay spike before the off.
Report punts February 7, 2021 4:33 PM GMT
Didn't one leg let down Barney's patent a few years ago not that he cared
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:34 PM GMT
Sparrow maybe you wouldn't but I guarantee a few did
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:34 PM GMT
And a lot of conspiracy theories blown out the window
Report trance February 7, 2021 4:35 PM GMT
Well done Nicholls
Report MJK February 7, 2021 4:35 PM GMT
I would hope the runs of the three second d favs in these races will be looked at properly
Report EVILROYSLADE February 7, 2021 4:35 PM GMT
Never put in the race JCM!
Report sparrow February 7, 2021 4:35 PM GMT
Those few dealer were in the know.  It's the ordinary punter that pays out in the long run.
Report driver2 February 7, 2021 4:35 PM GMT
In the end, probably not too bad a result, the double on the 1st 2 has put the perps in profit and the levy board doesn't have to suffer too much from bookmakers' losses, which can only benefit racing. And an interesting day was had by all.
Report clayfield1 February 7, 2021 4:36 PM GMT
You don't hear the bookies crying when they are raking the money in, Cry like babies when it looks like the are about to take a hit.
Report 11kv February 7, 2021 4:36 PM GMT
Hopefully they still made a few quid
Report sparrow February 7, 2021 4:36 PM GMT
Yes the 2nd fav may as well have stopped at home.
Report maleuk01. February 7, 2021 4:36 PM GMT
Sves the bookies.

as thinking of doing that winner.

Long way for Nichols to go with the horse.

Decided against it with the gamble.
Report impossible123 February 7, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
'Lay' the fav for beer money hoping he'd win for fun.
Report 1st time poster February 7, 2021 4:40 PM GMT
sent the wrong one to monghan even bourke could have won with the 1st one today  Laugh
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 4:40 PM GMT
They probably cashed out a few of their bets for very tasty sums and let a few run.....they've had a very good day at the office.
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:41 PM GMT
Report casemoney February 7, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
Shirley you would have 10 ew on the 1st one Madness Plain
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
Cash outs are pretty dire value
Report ribero1 February 7, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
I saw that one later case,it was down to just over 12k with the rule 4's.
Report ribero1 February 7, 2021 4:44 PM GMT
Agree dealer,doubt they'd bother cashing out,they will be proper gamblers who know what value is.
Report will23 February 7, 2021 4:52 PM GMT
I assume that is mortgage paid with the double and the partial lay off https://m.facebook.com/itvborder/videos/daragh-bourke-youngest-horse-trainer...
Report punts February 7, 2021 4:53 PM GMT
I wonder what Jardine's cut is  ?

no winner for 2 months and then that goes in!
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 5:27 PM GMT
Yeah, you wouldn't cash out for that. I just assumed they would offer a decent cash out amount, what with their liabilities and the horse almost odds on before the off.
Report swiftynifty February 7, 2021 5:33 PM GMT
surely that's the cash out after the first winner only?
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 5:38 PM GMT
How can that cash out offer be right? Just did the math and the potential payout would be £81,000 if it was an £16.50 EW treble? Even if it was £4.00 EW Trixie, surely the offer would be a lot more seeing as the first 2 would pay £676.00 and you have 30s about an Even money chance?

Confused
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 5:39 PM GMT
Just saw your post Swift. Can't be right, can it?
Report swiftynifty February 7, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
WP, it had to have been after 1 whatever the bet. Cash Outs are another disgrace that should be investigated. I had a bet yesterday paying over £450 and they were offering in-running £280 as it was crossing the line in front by 3l. I think it really should be renamed Catch Out because that's all it's really doing to ill-informed punters who see the £££s but have no idea how badly they are being ripped off.
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 5:58 PM GMT
Certainly agree with you about Cash outs being bad value. But I've had bets with B365 and their Cash out offers were basically for the amount I'd won on the first 2 legs with a little knocked off(less then 5%). They would also offer more than you'd won on the first 2 legs if your final selection happened to get backed down from the price you had about it. The above slip must be after one winner. I've worked out what you'd get for a £4.00 EW trixie with the last leg going off 4/5.....the cash out offer for the bet MUST have been 5 figures after the first 2 won. So, back to my point, some bets were probably cashed out and some left to run.
Report the dealer February 7, 2021 6:09 PM GMT
I doubt the cash out after the first 2 winners was anywhere near 5 figures.
Report Whippin Piccadilly February 7, 2021 6:21 PM GMT
Confused You'd get paid out £2.168.60 without the 3 R4's if you had the last leg at SP. You wouldn't be much of a bookmaker if you didn't offer a decent 5 figure cash out.
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 February 7, 2021 6:23 PM GMT
I concur with the dealer
Report elisjohn February 7, 2021 7:03 PM GMT
everyone going on about this coup, goes on all the time  week with coolmore runners , mullins, hendo, etc etc  but big song and dance about small stable
Report elisjohn February 7, 2021 7:03 PM GMT
hendos binocular is what i call real cheating
Report shoodacoodadidnt February 7, 2021 8:44 PM GMT
Note the first leg trainer move was from Daragh Bourke to L J Morgan and the last leg was trained by Daragh Bourke ...... let's see if anyone can join up any dots. If you think you have ANY chance at this game without the inside track ...... bingo
Report shoodacoodadidnt February 7, 2021 8:45 PM GMT
agree elisjohn - big boys at it every day
Report elisjohn February 7, 2021 8:51 PM GMT
not a big fuss when aiden and magniers  hit a 4/1 , 3/1 evens treble, 40s treble, when they get thousands on no problem
Report flukes February 7, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
Anybody else think that the whole "coup' was actually a massive PR stunt dreamt up by the bookie PR reps and that there were no liabilities outside the norm?
Report GAZO February 7, 2021 8:58 PM GMT
probally would be if coolmore had ran them down the field for the last year and then got backed down from big prices
Report elisjohn February 7, 2021 9:09 PM GMT
thats what jonjo and mcmanus    do all the time, but again this gets exposed   as doing it with low grade hcappers, coolmore do it with maidens and hopeless cases winning group1s
Report GAZO February 7, 2021 9:11 PM GMT
name some who won group one's ?
Report elisjohn February 7, 2021 9:13 PM GMT
last years derby winner for starters
Report GAZO February 7, 2021 9:16 PM GMT
dont remember it being backed off the boards ?
Report cacique February 7, 2021 10:18 PM GMT

Feb 7, 2021 -- 3:16PM, GAZO wrote:


dont remember it being backed off the boards ?


Dont they own ladbrokes, so getting a hot one turned over is win win for them.

Report blackbarn February 7, 2021 10:36 PM GMT
Would the member(s) who knew or thought  what went on here, kindly post a coherent assessment.   Actually even if you did not know, please post your best assessment.

Previous, ill informed, usual suspects are respectfully asked from re-posting on this fred (punts, gaze, and you know who you are etc) .
Report differentdrum February 7, 2021 11:10 PM GMT
Quite pleased the treble went down. Shame any of them won. I am surprised those within the industry are at pains to highlight this sort of thing because it makes the sport look a joke. I like to see bookmakers lose but not at the expense of punters who actually think it is worth studying form.
Report blackbarn February 7, 2021 11:27 PM GMT
I agree with dd, This kind of stuff is all good fun and of huge interest, and is of course only the extreme end of "handicapping". BUT this will never end, all the time folks on here and elsewhere think it is good for racing; prize money makes it profitable to c heat, and the authorities take little or ineffective action.
Report driver2 February 8, 2021 1:10 AM GMT
blackbarn, this kind of stuff happens everyday in low grade racing, all these people are guilty of is trying to get 3 horses ready for a bigger payout.
Report differentdrum February 8, 2021 8:25 AM GMT
Thankfully, what happened yesterday doesn't go on every day. If it did perhaps you can point to examples of three horses shortening in that way?  Basically, you are defending deception and the idea of the vast majority being deliberately shafted by those 'in the know'.
Report Ramruma February 8, 2021 8:28 AM GMT
@driver2 -- "all these people are guilty of..."

That will save the BHA investigating precisely who owned, trained and controlled the horses, and when.
Report EastLower Gooner February 8, 2021 9:11 AM GMT
What I’m surprised at is that so many bets across several bookmakers were struck.

According to one account (VC guy) “they woke up to the bad news on Sunday morning”

Seems a little dangerous.

I mean no warning system to flag something like this? No communication with other bookmakers?

This is something they need to tackle themselves (I’m talking about the bets and not the handicapping mechanics) else they just leave themselves open to being targeted again.
Report 1st time poster February 8, 2021 9:56 AM GMT
trance as hit the nail on the head here forget the plot horses trainers
they,ll blab on, on the media how difficult it is to get hores right on same day,entriues.find races,money on etc,etc,
so imagine your luck at achieving all that, and what would have been without the plot horse 3 favs as it was 3 2nd favs never put in any of the 3 races with a chance of winning from when the flag went up,and all 3 with same pre writtrewn script
never went a yard,off day
its connections of those 3 horses that should be dragged over the carpet
Report N-east Correspondent February 8, 2021 10:11 AM GMT
Mongan - nothing to do with me we saw the gamble but nothing to do with us Laugh - check

Jardine - we seen the odds shorten on Sat night - but thought is didnt concern us - check

Bourke - nothing to do with me guv - check (ok made last one up) but its more or less what he would say

the authorities should be scrutinising everything, all stables, betting patterns etc as it brings integrity into serious question
not that we didnt know that before but it could well happen on a more regular basis, but spare me any tears for/from bookies who willingly
lay horses day in day out who they know wont win in advance and woe betide anyone who actually wins of course, just mugs money please...
Report onlooker February 8, 2021 10:19 AM GMT
'In the old days' - Before all this INTERNET PUNTING - These bets would have had to be done 'around the shops' - in Gay Future Coup style.

With the last leg Losing - and just a Double landed - The whole punt could/would have probably gone under the radar - As ...

For a start  - The horses would NOT have shortened up to anything like as short as they did yesterday - That happened simply because of the current Internet and digital communication.

The 'word would NOT be out'.

The bets would not have/or barely  come to light - But still lay dormant - until a few Settlers in just a few shops thought ....

'Better ring through to Regional/Head Office and tell them that I got a 3 Doubles and a Treble 'running on' from that first race Winner .... at 20/1 .......... NOT - EVENS.
Report ANDYC February 8, 2021 10:37 AM GMT
Just a note on cashouts in the thread. I had £50 John Rahm in the Farmers Golf with B £3.65, taking 7/1. When he had shortened to 3/1 in running, (their price),  they offered me £22 for the Cashout.... really tempting!
Report 1st time poster February 8, 2021 10:39 AM GMT
none of the betting excuses,explains 3 paper favs /3 2nd favs basically beaten ,never put in the race for a yard,
the so called 20,000 to 1 odds of coup were small fry compared to the odds of 3 favs before[ coup horses] all beaten after a yard, Wink
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