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stewarty b
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The reason I ask is because I'm fairly high on the list apparently due to an underlying condition. My problem is I phoned the vaccine helpline and they (unbelievably) couldn't give me an answer and gave me another helpline to phone. They gave me another number to phone and beyond belief it was the original number.

I'm getting p1ssed at this stage and they then told me to phone my GP surgery who informed me they are in the dark also. Is this a Scottish problem?


Given the subject, sensible replies welcome.
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Report hulk23 January 13, 2021 5:40 PM GMT
is there somewhere that shows number of vaccines given, daily and versus target ?  and who gets the sack when it falls way below the target.
Report dave1357 January 13, 2021 5:44 PM GMT
If you have an "underlying condition", quite a number of forumites think that your life is worthless, so not sure that you will get much help or empathy.
Report glentoby January 13, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
You will get yours early April Stew if my OH is right and her colleagues concur in the UK with her forecast,based purely on your post.
Report chavman January 13, 2021 5:48 PM GMT
getting p1ssed is a scottish problem and has been for years
Report saddo January 13, 2021 5:50 PM GMT
I read 20 million at risk on the other forum, how can a third of the nation be deemed so fragile?
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 5:53 PM GMT
glentoby 13 Jan 21 18:46 
You will get yours early April Stew if my OH is right and her colleagues concur in the UK with her forecast,based purely on your post
.

and when for stewy's second jab?
Report glentoby January 13, 2021 5:53 PM GMT
And the ENGLISH never had a drink and yet the worst nation in Europe for alcohol related crime?

Scotland should hang it's head in shame for the 1970s but it took England a decade to address the issue and they as always followed Scotland and still have the problem?
Report longbridge January 13, 2021 5:55 PM GMT
@hulk23

"is there somewhere that shows number of vaccines given, daily and versus target"

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

and the serious press tend to report it in their daily emails if you're subscribed.
Report Nogoody January 13, 2021 5:58 PM GMT
yes and so has one's husband,Philip.
Report FOYLESWAR January 13, 2021 5:58 PM GMT
my missus is a carer and is working  with covid patients but because she is a self employed private carer she will have to wait  along with the general public  !
Report stewarty b January 13, 2021 6:01 PM GMT
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glentoby 13 Jan 21 18:46
You will get yours early April Stew if my OH is right and her colleagues concur in the UK with her forecast,based purely on your post.

and when for stewy's second jab?



A good question GEORGE. As it stands, (if you believe the experts) three weeks after receiving the first jab you get approx. 87% protection and the second jab takes it nearer 95%. I think that's the Oxford one. But like many others I'm a wee bit sceptical about these figures.
Report FOYLESWAR January 13, 2021 6:02 PM GMT
my missuses sister is also a carer but not self employed she had the vaccine 2 weeks ago !
Report jimnast January 13, 2021 6:07 PM GMT
stewarty

my dad 93 had his first jab on jan 9th,father in law 85 first jab dec 29th and has had it confirmed second jab jan 19th.
Report know all January 13, 2021 6:09 PM GMT
we will all be forced to get the jab eventually we have no idea whats in it or long term results but thats nothing to worry about lol
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:09 PM GMT
I don't know, stewy, big pharma sayed give the second one two weeks after the first one, but then that well known vaccine expert Dr Anthony Blair comes along and says, hey guys, let's just get the first shot out there to everyone as soon as possible and then we'll worry about the second one. Then that other well known vaccine expert Dr Nigel Farage says he agrees with his old enemy. And then the government says alright then. Crazy
Report glentoby January 13, 2021 6:13 PM GMT
SWEDEN George B? How are YOU and they doing?
Report stewarty b January 13, 2021 6:16 PM GMT
What I find really sad GEORGE is that although I phoned the appropriate helplines and my GP surgery it was a case of getting a mental shrug of the shoulders.
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:22 PM GMT
glentoby 13 Jan 21 19:13 
SWEDEN George B? How are YOU and they doing?


Still doing a damn sight better than us even without all the restrictions

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:25 PM GMT
and so too is Japan without all the restrictions

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/10/commentary/japan-commentary/west-japan-coronavirus-response/
Report glentoby January 13, 2021 6:29 PM GMT
I care not George,just glad you were not there on 27/08/1979 and many more real events,you are a gutless waste of humanity!!#

YOU know as do I and many others,spineless keyboard WARRIOR!!!!?
Report impossible123 January 13, 2021 6:31 PM GMT
A friend is having his in Kennington (London) tomorrow, and he's only in his early 70's with no underlying ailment. Could this be another case of postcode lottery?
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:31 PM GMT
started on the early on the Dutch courage this evening, tobymug?
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:32 PM GMT
started early on the Dutch courage this evening, tobymug?
Report GEORGE.B January 13, 2021 6:32 PM GMT
I've evidently had a couple myself Wink
Report elise January 13, 2021 6:37 PM GMT
you'd better have several more and do a couple of lines if you're going to get close to him
Report stewarty b January 13, 2021 6:37 PM GMT
A touchy subject but I'm puzzled as to why. Given the under twenty ones are the biggest carriers does anyone think the should be offered the vaccine and receive it with parental consent only.

Granted the old are most vulnerable and rightly prioritised  but how many in hospital have died and caught it from this group?
Report leif January 13, 2021 7:18 PM GMT
Medical science putting a lot of faith in vaccines trialled when we had the puppy covid strain. Several more have evolved and appear to be somewhat more potent.

You'll be rolling your sleeves up again next year for a covid cocktail, and likely to the same for years to come and if it's your fancy to get them.

Much like the multi variants of 'Flu' they'll be guessing a year in advance which strains may be prevalent in 12 months time.
Report ericster January 13, 2021 7:49 PM GMT
I'm not old enough, might get one in April.
Report chavman January 13, 2021 8:17 PM GMT
stewy needs several jabs to the head to put some sense into him....followed by a good right follow up right between his eyes if hes still standing
Report chavman January 13, 2021 8:29 PM GMT
stewy you just some no mark lottery winner drunkard weirdo,dont even think of yourself as my equal
Report GLASGOWCALLING January 13, 2021 9:25 PM GMT
Mum ( 84 yrs ) had hers Today, told second one between 3 and 12 weeks.
Report Dotchinite January 13, 2021 9:51 PM GMT
I think Scotland are behind England at present. Most of the over 80s and some over 70s by me have been vaccinated but the two elderly people I know in Scotland are yet to be vaccinated and one is 89 and the other 92.
Id assume they will catch up as they were talking of making sure no areas get too far in front of others and ensuring slower areas get more vaccine. (Not sure if thats only within England though).
Report know all January 13, 2021 10:26 PM GMT
A touchy subject but I'm puzzled as to why. Given the under twenty ones are the biggest carriers does anyone think the should be offered the vaccine and receive it with parental consent only.

That is what the government want you to believe to scare us even more that there are carriers with no symptoms, there is no evidence just hear say, if you have a cold you know you have a cold can we now say that the biggest carriers of the cold with no symptoms are the under twenty ones, its ridiculous and so is covid carriers with no symptoms imo
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:06 AM GMT
Capitalism is a proven failure, is anyone discussing this? NO
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:21 AM GMT
Many people believe that once this virus is cleaned up all will return to normal, They are so so wrong.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:22 AM GMT

Jan 13, 2021 -- 11:26PM, know all wrote:


A touchy subject but I'm puzzled as to why. Given the under twenty ones are the biggest carriers does anyone think the should be offered the vaccine and receive it with parental consent only.That is what the government want you to believe to scare us even more that there are carriers with no symptoms, there is no evidence just hear say, if you have a cold you know you have a cold can we now say that the biggest carriers of the cold with no symptoms are the under twenty ones, its ridiculous and so is covid carriers with no symptoms imo


The School children I wonder why????

Report saddo January 14, 2021 9:25 AM GMT
It's Capitalist money that's keeping people warm and fed for doing nowt john, good job it's there maybe ?
Report GEORGE.B January 14, 2021 9:32 AM GMT
In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, They Rejected Lockdowns

https://www.aier.org/article/in-the-asian-flu-of-1957-58-they-rejected-lockdowns/

"One might assume that this was due to negligence and a lack of sophistication in understanding the need to lockdown. Surely they didn’t know 65 years ago what we know today!

Actually, this is completely false. Public health experts did in fact consider school closures, business closures, and a ban of public events but the entire ethos of the profession rejected them. There were two grounds for this rejection: lockdowns would be too disruptive, disabling the capacity of medical professionals to deal competently with the crisis, and also because such policies would be futile because the virus was already here and spreading.

Whereas lockdowns in the Covid-19 case might have contributed to a lengthening of the crisis by delaying herd immunity, the period in which the Asian flu had the most severe consequences was only three months. Newspapers barely covered it and most people did not notice it. Histories of the period hardly mention it whereas the early history of 2020 will talk primarily about the virus and the lockdowns. This is due not to the pandemic but to the brutal pandemic policy response."
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:45 AM GMT
The Markets crashed in 2007 due to housing bubble greed, they never recovered because they did not let the house prices crash, what we are witnessing, people in history have witnessed before, 1920s and the south sea bubble before it, this is bigger than any of those, WAR followed.
Report impossible123 January 14, 2021 9:46 AM GMT
Capitalist money? More like a national debt that is providing a life support for the citizens of most countries at the moment. I think the world will not be the same again for a long while post Covid'; people's mentality and appreciation of the simplest of things taken for granted will certainly change for the better, I hope.

I think it's prudent to take What the government say with a pinch of salt similarly the amateur "experts" here. The medics on the frontline are the ones to pay attention to similarly, the death numbers and new infections.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:48 AM GMT
If we are to print forever which is a  very good idea if you close the Stock Markets, eg get rid of capitalism.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:53 AM GMT
Otherwise we are just funding billionaires that are bankrupt and  endorsing greed.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:54 AM GMT
Think outside the box, that is where the hope can be found.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:56 AM GMT
But alas they will not let you change their system, they being the Wealthy Families.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 9:58 AM GMT
The era of lies and greed is coming to a end, Food and survival far more important than a failed capitalist model.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:01 AM GMT
Hence poverty breeds crime we will survive!
Report impossible123 January 14, 2021 10:08 AM GMT
China is a communist country that has grasped capitalism with aplomb, not just internally but externally too. Without capitalism even China will admit their sensational yearly growth and standard of living would have been significantly lower. Without capitalism there will be no incentive to progress or for reward.

Nevertheless, capitalism must not be solely reflected by the "gambling" in the City of London esp by retail investors. A classic example is Bitcoin. It must be built on something intrinsic and tangible, and not quick-buck short term gain without productivity, I believe.

I firmly believe a mixture of capitalism and socialism is the ingredient for success, but the mixture will need to be tweak accordingly to preserve progress (economically) and stability (politically/socially) of the country.
Report layingisthewayforward January 14, 2021 10:16 AM GMT
Why is the OP ringing around chasing his vaccine? What if whole nation did that? You'll be contacted when its your turn imo.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 10:27 AM GMT
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Why is the OP ringing around chasing his vaccine? What if whole nation did that? You'll be contacted when its your turn imo.



Quite simple really. A lot of people got their letters for the flu jab asking them to attend up to a week after their jab was due.
Report Movewiththetimes January 14, 2021 10:28 AM GMT
There's a online calculator put your details in and it tells you how many people are in front of you and your due date, mine is mid August due to the fact 28 million people are in front of me.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:29 AM GMT

Jan 14, 2021 -- 11:08AM, impossible123 wrote:


China is a communist country that has grasped capitalism with aplomb, not just internally but externally too. Without capitalism even China will admit their sensational yearly growth and standard of living would have been significantly lower. Without capitalism there will be no incentive to progress or for reward. Nevertheless, capitalism must not be solely reflected by the "gambling" in the City of London esp by retail investors. A classic example is Bitcoin. It must be built on something intrinsic and tangible, and not quick-buck short term gain without productivity, I believe.I firmly believe a mixture of capitalism and socialism is the ingredient for success, but the mixture will need to be tweak accordingly to preserve progress (economically) and stability (politically/socially) of the country.


Bitcoin exists for a reason? and people living are in denial of capitalist crime and failure? I suppose the Propaganda and complete power or control by the super rich(failed but subsidized by the people) , my point is no other alternative is even discussed by the people. It is just not out there. Why is that?

Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:31 AM GMT
China is not a communist country it is capitalist.
Report FELTFAIR January 14, 2021 10:43 AM GMT
In case anyone didn`t already know once vaccinated there is a 21 day approximate "waiting" time before the afforded immunity is achieved and then maximum afforded immunity after the second jab.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 10:43 AM GMT
Although not mentioned on their website this practice is on teletext...Scotland.....NE, Orkney & Shetland...


https://www.hamiltonmedicalgroup.co.uk/





'An apology has been issued after 140 patients in Aberdeen were offered their Covid-19 vaccine on the wrong day.

Letters were sent out to patients at Hamilton Medical Group, on Queen's Road, to offer the jag on Saturday 17 January.

However it should have been Sunday 17 January.

Aberdeen City Health and Social Care Partnership (ACHSPC) said it was a administrative error made centrally, and not at the practice'.


Not much fun for the over eighties.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:49 AM GMT
Trump bankrupt 5 times according to the media, what does he know that the rest of us do not?????
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:50 AM GMT
Obviously he was never bankrupt.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:51 AM GMT
Where did his capital come from? He is playing with the peoples money.
Report metro john January 14, 2021 10:54 AM GMT
Again my point is, if you are poor you can and often do end up on the street, left to rot, but the super wealthy are given breaks of  which the mass population do not.
Report i_agree_with_nick January 14, 2021 11:07 AM GMT
In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, They Rejected Lockdowns


Covid is not the flu!  It's a novel virus.

There would have been some existing immunity within the community to the Asian Flu of 1957.  Also, a vaccine was developed very quickly.
Report GEORGE.B January 14, 2021 11:12 AM GMT
"The Asian flu of 1957-58 was a deadly pandemic with a broader reach for severe outcomes than Covid-19 of 2020. It killed between 1 and 4 million people worldwide, and 116,000 in the US in a time with half the population. It was a leading contributor to a year in which the US saw 62,000 excess deaths.

Globally, it might have been five times as deadly as Covid-19, as measured by deaths per capita. It was unusually lethal for younger people: 40 percent of deaths had occurred among people younger than 65, whereas the average age of death Covid-19 is 80 with only 10-20% of deaths under the age of 65."
Report GEORGE.B January 14, 2021 11:19 AM GMT
https://www.aier.org/article/in-the-asian-flu-of-1957-58-they-rejected-lockd...
Report the dealer January 14, 2021 11:51 AM GMT
The simple fact imho is that there are too many people living too close together and nature will always find a way to cull the weak. This time with a virus that many more catch than die, the perfect killing tool.
Report elise January 14, 2021 12:59 PM GMT
i have no people living close to me & we don't have a virus issue, although i am running low on shotgun cartridges
Report the dealer January 14, 2021 1:04 PM GMT
Can send you a box lol
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 1:13 PM GMT
You going to have a pop at shafter again dealer?
Report Oldgit1 January 14, 2021 2:00 PM GMT
Had mine at the Beacon Shopping centre in Eastbourne on its first day on December 19th but the second one has been cancelled.
It was a shambles as the vaccine had been late turning up due to a temperature problem and they said they were running an hour and a half late.  Ours had been the last slot in the day at 1.55 but did not get it until 4.50
Report dave1357 January 14, 2021 2:27 PM GMT
Oldgit - did you get some confirmation stamp that you had received it or was it keyed into a system?
Report N-east Correspondent January 14, 2021 3:02 PM GMT
My mum 88 next month still not had the vaccine or any inidication when she will receive it and im in the same location as StewB
as a side note she has refused any flu vaccine down the years but thinks this one is quite important to get - Ive tried explaining but...
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 3:11 PM GMT
That's a disgrace NE. Wish I had a direct line to Sturgeon.
Report the dealer January 14, 2021 3:16 PM GMT
Would never have a pop at shafter, when I've met him in the real world, he has been nothing more than a true gent
Report i_agree_with_nick January 14, 2021 3:23 PM GMT
I think only about 40% of over-80s have been vaccinated. (Not sure if that's UK or just Eng).

My mum is 89 and hasn't yet heard anything.  She lives in London which, per capita, has had fewer vaccinations than most other regions.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 3:24 PM GMT
It was just when you mentioned shotgun cartridges.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 4:00 PM GMT
She lives in London which, per capita, has had fewer vaccinations than most other regions.



This is where covid is rife. Some things you read on here beggar belief.
Report i_agree_with_nick January 14, 2021 4:07 PM GMT
Also, London and the East of England regions have vaccinated the lowest proportion of people aged over 80.
Report glentoby January 14, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
Hi stew,as said my OH is in contact with colleagues across the UK within NHS and research establishments,she has simply confirmed what most seem to suspect i.e There does not appear to be any guidelines which apply across the board in terms of age etc within England,a colleague advised that his brief was to concentrate on urban areas primarily,he is in the SW.

She said last week about 2 new strains being investigated and has today been advised of one in South America and one in Japan being identified,have you heard anything about this in UK yet? Has been reported by media here.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 4:20 PM GMT
I'm in Scotland Toby. Heard nothing about SA or Japan. Personally I've been told I get the jab March/April but given the incompetence of the SNP I'm not holding my breath.


Fkrs have a short memory when you look back at the wars we have went through.....as a United Kingdom.
Report glentoby January 14, 2021 4:30 PM GMT
I realise you are in gods country stew,as she said last night a colleague reckoned about April for your jab just based on your post.Her colleague is based in Dundee and says a similar brief to her colleague in SW England e.g Urban areas being prioritised with care homes as no1 followed by Frontline staff for immediate action,then age related.

Does that sound correct in comparison to your info?
Report hello :-) January 14, 2021 4:31 PM GMT
i feel the scots would have fought these wars even if independant stew and rightly so

being independant for majority is not anti english , its just pro scottish

and why shouldnt we display the same nationalism that took the uk out of europe ? whats the diff with UK wanting to be independant and scotland ?

its ok to be proud of your nation of birth , i respect any english welsh and irish who have that same pride tbh
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
hello, did you see Kate Garraway interview Sturgeon? Sturgeon was moaning saying she wanted more vaccines. Garraway replied that she was quite happy  to take the vaccine from England and at the same time wanting to be independent.


You cant have it both ways and that's only one example.
Report stewarty b January 14, 2021 4:59 PM GMT
Does that sound correct in comparison to your info?


I ended up getting my info by phoning 111 letting them know when I got a reply it was non urgent.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk January 14, 2021 6:49 PM GMT

Jan 14, 2021 -- 11:28AM, Movewiththetimes wrote:


There's a online calculator put your details in and it tells you how many people are in front of you and your due date, mine is mid August due to the fact 28 million people are in front of me.


Does anyone have a link to this calc?
TIA

Report 11kv January 14, 2021 6:59 PM GMT
At the Vaccine centre they actually have to prepare the vaccine and put it into a vial takes about 10 mins per dose (Pfizer) by on site Pharmacists no wonder it will take so long to do everyone....




https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk
Report 11kv January 14, 2021 6:59 PM GMT
At the Vaccine centre they actually have to prepare the vaccine and put it into a vial takes about 10 mins per dose (Pfizer) by on site Pharmacists no wonder it will take so long to do everyone....




https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk
Report Oldgit1 January 14, 2021 8:53 PM GMT
" Oldgit - did you get some confirmation stamp that you had received it or was it keyed into a system?"
As well as keyed into the system We got a slip with the date and type of vaccine we had been given and a sticker for our jackets saying I've been done ! It soon fell off and I found it stuck to the sole of my shoe.
Report novice1111 January 14, 2021 9:27 PM GMT
the wife had the second jab yesterday
Report novice1111 January 14, 2021 9:30 PM GMT
sorry Tuesday
Report dave1357 January 14, 2021 10:06 PM GMT
ty oldgit
Report saddo January 14, 2021 10:14 PM GMT
The 'I've been done' sticker will probably raise a smile or two.
Report workrider January 14, 2021 10:30 PM GMT
Saddo Laugh..My Daughter in Law had it today shes a nurse .
Report GEORGE.B January 14, 2021 11:07 PM GMT
Is this dude a better tipster than Hugh Taylor iyo?

Apparently from the spring of last year in Canada

https://twitter.com/ZNeveri/status/1349460356595376133
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