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Report 11kv December 28, 2020 2:13 PM GMT
In the valley's along with Sir Christian Williams...
Report sparrow December 28, 2020 2:16 PM GMT
Richie_Burnett 28 Dec 20 15:10 
That's a controversial opinion, sparrow. Corbyn is widely respected.






Well by brigust he might be.
Report Richie_Burnett December 28, 2020 2:25 PM GMT
He wouldn't last 5 minutes down the pit.
Report sparrow December 28, 2020 2:29 PM GMT
Richie_Burnett 28 Dec 20 15:25 
He wouldn't last 5 minutes down the pit.





Corbyn or Brigust?
Report Richie_Burnett December 28, 2020 2:36 PM GMT
brigust1.
Report brigust1 December 28, 2020 2:49 PM GMT
I still can't understand people striking to go down the pits and for their children to go down the pits. I would be striking to stop them  going down the pits.

Say what you want Sparrow this would have been settled years ago and probably with a better deal than we have if it wasn't for the Remainers and the EU. They should both hang their heads in shame.
Report sparrow December 28, 2020 3:05 PM GMT
So it's the remainers fault that you haven't got a good deal. Well that's a new one.
Report metro john December 28, 2020 3:10 PM GMT

Dec 28, 2020 -- 1:06PM, brigust1 wrote:


Hi Metro, Happy New Year to you and yours.


Likewise brigust , and thank youWink

Report metro john December 28, 2020 3:13 PM GMT
Oh its a new deal, to talk about in 2026? another get out for Boris, oh and the small print says what?
Report dave1357 December 28, 2020 3:23 PM GMT
brigust1 • December 28, 2020 2:49 PM GMT

Say what you want Sparrow this would have been settled years ago and probably with a better deal than we have if it wasn't for the Remainers and the EU. They should both hang their heads in shame.


You keep repeating this but provide no evidence for the assertion, other than the utterly ludicrous claim that we could have left the EU and negotiated a trade deal in under two years.
Report chatto December 28, 2020 5:37 PM GMT
It seems obvious that the remainers implied that the UK would never walk away without a deal.Hence May was unable to get a reasonabel deal.It was only when it became clear that this was a serious option that the EU came too heel.
Report brigust1 December 28, 2020 5:42 PM GMT
You must be living in a different world, Dave. Boris was made PM in July 2019 and here we have a deal. It was dead in the water until then, going nowhere because May didn't want it to go anywhere. Had Boris been PM when May was it would have been done and dusted long ago. All the shhh ite over the last 4 years would not have happened. But thanks to the Remainers backing the EU it was strung out until there was no alternative. The Remainers and the EU should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. The Remainers because they are undemocratic and disloyal to their country and the EU because they are scavenging gits who have been at the water trough toooooo long. They had their chance but they put the boot into Cameron so they only have their  money grabbing selves to blame.
Report impossible123 December 28, 2020 7:51 PM GMT
The Remainers were in bed with the EU prior and post 2016 Referendum - they were their trojan horses. But, Boris and Brexiteers with their combined conviction and determination managed to get the Brexit ball over the line regardless. This deal is the product of the non-cooperation of Remainers towards Brexit despite Referendum result.

How'd it help our fishing industry presently with 100% quota (if) of catch in our water? Is our fishing industry equip to facilitate that? After 5.5 years all the fish caught in our water could be ours, if we so choose. Does anyone really want that knowing the UK market is much smaller than the EU? It's prudent to trade excess fish quota for something else, surely.

I firmly believe the EU for the last decade and a half (maybe even longer) have given the UK very little in return for our annual mega contribution and facilitation of free movement of EU nationals. These I solely put at the feet of Mr Blair and Mr Junker; Mr Juncker and Mr Tusk were anti-British to the very last.
Report impossible123 December 28, 2020 8:02 PM GMT
China is practising modern-day barbarism and anti-democracy using their supremacy in economic and so to be military power to achieve their ultimate goal ie to get their own ways and rule the world eventually.
Report chavman December 28, 2020 8:10 PM GMT
global trade deals will perpetuate regardless of continent.
Report chavman December 28, 2020 8:16 PM GMT
tariffs will be inclusive and exclusive to suit capitalism
Report chavman December 28, 2020 8:18 PM GMT
even though they know capatalism may be need to be reset nearer a socialist model
Report 23nights December 30, 2020 4:29 PM GMT
MP'S vote 521 to 73 to pass EU-UK trade agreement...but to give the remoaners something to cling onto Diane Abbott voted against the deal Devil
Report saddo December 30, 2020 4:38 PM GMT
Thought she'd packed it in before they carted her off.
Report impossible123 December 30, 2020 9:02 PM GMT
I honestly believe every MP after a certain age eg 60 needs to be given an appraisal by an independent entity (not MPs) to certify their fitness for public office to continue as MPs. Some are so out-of-it eg Ms Abbott and that "nodding dog" who never once asked or answered a question on Brexit, and only there for the money and to facilitate their siblings.
Report 23nights December 30, 2020 10:31 PM GMT

Dec 30, 2020 -- 4:38PM, saddo wrote:


Thought she'd packed it in before they carted her off.


no shes still going saddo...if labour had won the election last december diane abbott would have been home secretary...ScaredScared

Report saddo December 30, 2020 10:54 PM GMT
I suppose the wage is like a pension tax credit, for old times' sake. But who is doing the actual job of MPing for wherever?
Report duncan idaho December 31, 2020 11:15 AM GMT
if labour had won the election last december diane abbott would have been home secretary


loses impact when the current home secretary is actually a bona fide sociopath ('the sort of woman who would unplug your ICU to charge her phone')
Report 23nights December 31, 2020 11:40 AM GMT

Dec 31, 2020 -- 11:15AM, duncan idaho wrote:


if labour had won the election last december diane abbott would have been home secretaryloses impact when the current home secretary is actually a bona fide sociopath ('the sort of woman who would unplug your ICU to charge her phone')


duncan...can you imagine corbyn as prime minister ..john mc donnell as chancellor and diane abbot as home secretary...it is a very scary thought imo

Report sofiakenny December 31, 2020 11:42 AM GMT
Couldna be any worse than Bozo the clown Hopeless Hancock and his bird Dildo Hardon.
Report Captain carnage December 31, 2020 11:47 AM GMT
23nights - it is incredible. Millions of labour voters who are simply lemmings. They would vote labour if Stalin was leader with other convicted mass murderers as his cabinet.

However, unfortunately there were similar millions of lemmings who listened to Farage and his populist imbeciles spouting racist nonsense and economic lies. They got that one through.
Report sparrow December 31, 2020 12:03 PM GMT
duncan idaho 31 Dec 20 12:15   
loses impact when the current home secretary is actually a bona fide sociopath ('the sort of woman who would unplug your ICU to charge her phone')






Laugh
Report 23nights December 31, 2020 12:04 PM GMT
captain im not going to get into another debate about the uk leaving the eu there are pros and cons and I think the pros outweighed the cons.The people voted twice to leave he eu 2016 and dec 2019..we are OUT the deal is done and for the time being lets move forward.even starmer said in the house yesterday lets leave all the divisive talk behind we HAVE to go forward.the result is not going to be changed....im not looking forward to the perpetual bleating and moaning coming from the snp.....
Report impossible123 December 31, 2020 1:23 PM GMT
I'm no fan of Bojo and he may be the clown, BUT the alternative "chicken" Corbyn would be a disgrace to the UK. Mr Corbyn is the least educated of any Labour leader; least ever with a proper job (spent almost every minute with a megaphone on the picket line); indecisive and ill-informed; motley crew of misfits and incompetent shadow benchers. Mr Corbyn is merely a stooge for the ultra-left Momentum movement.
Report sparrow December 31, 2020 1:36 PM GMT
Corbyn is no longer leader of the Labour Party impossible so forget about the fool and think about where we are now.
Report impossible123 December 31, 2020 1:47 PM GMT
But for Covid I'm fairly satisfied where we are regards the EU - an ever decreasing economic entity of the future; 12 or more members of scroungers and economic incompetence.

Hopefully, Labour with Mr Starmer in charge will begin to make inroad into the big deficit against the Conservative.
Report sparrow December 31, 2020 2:09 PM GMT
I'm glad you're satisfied with a deal voted in for the only reason that it was better than no deal at all. Absolute farce which will eventually be reversed by the younger generations who never wanted to leave in the first place and were sold down the river by my generation who will all be gone by that time.
Report 23nights December 31, 2020 2:36 PM GMT

Dec 31, 2020 -- 1:23PM, impossible123 wrote:


I'm no fan of Bojo and he may be the clown, BUT the alternative "chicken" Corbyn would be a disgrace to the UK. Mr Corbyn is the least educated of any Labour leader; least ever with a proper job (spent almost every minute with a megaphone on the picket line); indecisive and ill-informed; motley crew of misfits and incompetent shadow benchers. Mr Corbyn is merely a stooge for the ultra-left Momentum movement.


labour have had some real beauts ...tony blair being the worst..took us to war on a lie and caused the death of thousands of people including our own troops..blair is despised by all.

Report sparrow December 31, 2020 2:56 PM GMT
23nights, the only party whose policy was to oppose the Iraq war was the liberals but fair enough if you supported them.
Report 23nights December 31, 2020 3:17 PM GMT

Dec 31, 2020 -- 2:56PM, sparrow wrote:


23nights, the only party whose policy was to oppose the Iraq war was the liberals but fair enough if you supported them.


just to be clear is tony blair someone you admire or respect sparrow ...a straight answer would be appreciated.

Report sparrow December 31, 2020 3:21 PM GMT
I respect any Labour leader who wins 3 elections and so yes I respect him.
And I also respected the Liberal leader as the only party leader for opposing the Iraq war.
Report 23nights December 31, 2020 3:33 PM GMT
ok in that case im inclined to agree with the first part of captain carnage's 11.47 post...sparrow i think you may have a sort of romanticised view of the labour party spawned in the 1960s or even 50s.....my family then were staunch socialists and were very active in the trade unions in those decades..however things changed...its all about opinions..happy new year
Report sparrow December 31, 2020 3:58 PM GMT
Never mind Captain Carnage's ridiculous outburst because I have such a "romanticised view" of the Labour Party that I opposed the Iraq war and voted Liberal in the last election mainly because I despised Corbyn!
I was also during my working life a trade union official and make no apologies for that either.
Report impossible123 December 31, 2020 9:02 PM GMT
I do not respect Mr Blair because he's self-publicity obsessed. He lied about WMD; went into Iraq without the approval of the UN; a poodle of Mr Bush to promote himself; no strategy post that war. Even a chimp could have won Labour the Election after 17 yrs of Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major; right time at the right place ie death of Mr John Smith (QC).

Mr Blair is a despicable UK Prime Minister. He's yet to say he's sorry for the invasion of Iraq. He thinks (even now) he knows it all. Not much good as a legal counsel nor a politician, in my book; 2/10 his score. And, I'm a Labour supporter despite voting Conservative last two elections.
Report buddeliea January 1, 2021 2:50 PM GMT
I wonder if taking back control means we will have a better life here in the UK.

Guess we have to wait and see.
Report brigust1 January 1, 2021 3:36 PM GMT
You will never know Bud. It is going to be all in the mind. Some (those who thought we should not go it alone) will say we are worse off while others (who think we will be better making our own decisions) will say we are better off. It will also depend on whether you are a positive person or a negative person. The important thing is that you make the most of the life you have. Happy New Year.
Report mwnn January 1, 2021 4:01 PM GMT
Whether you support brexit or not,the politically inspired demands of brexit will rub up against
their economic consequences....They certainly wont be all in the mind brigust1.
Report brigust1 January 1, 2021 4:09 PM GMT
Mwnn no-one will know the consequences of anything. If you are of the mind to blame Brexit, you will, if not, you wont. If you can predict the future that is different but I don't think anyone can. Politically inspired demands of Brexit? Suggestions would be good here. Or are you suggesting we wait until something happens, good or bad, than suggest politically inspired demands are responsible?
Report mwnn January 1, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
brigust1,brexit was and is a political project that was born and developed in the hard right wing of
the conservative party over 4 decades...it is all about internal conservative party politics.
Report brigust1 January 1, 2021 4:25 PM GMT
I will leave you with that idea, mwnn. There is really nowhere else to go after that , and it is exactly what I mean about those who have one fixed opinion and those that don't.
Report saddo January 1, 2021 4:30 PM GMT
You'd think gamblers would be able to take a loss and move on in life. I can only assume most remoaners on this site are traders/bot runners.
Report Captain carnage January 1, 2021 5:25 PM GMT
You can see how the big bookmakers have become billionaires a few times over when people think that Brexit may not lead to economic damage compared to if we stayed.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps January 1, 2021 6:53 PM GMT
its hulk that creates the steamers...

4 times a week at 8am.
Report Richie_Burnett January 1, 2021 8:21 PM GMT
How is crossrail going, chavman? On time? Under budget?

Laughwac
Report chavman January 1, 2021 8:31 PM GMT
work for bazelgette now you sf welsh neanderthal
Report chavman January 1, 2021 8:34 PM GMT
youre 30 months behind,not bad considering wales is normally 30 years behind
Report Richie_Burnett January 1, 2021 8:57 PM GMT

Jan 1, 2021 -- 8:31PM, chavman wrote:


work for bazelgette now you sf welsh neanderthal


Course you do.

Report mrcombustible January 2, 2021 8:09 AM GMT
Britons all over the country have had to be evacuated from their homes today following the arrival of unprecedented levels of sovereignty, which started to appear in towns and villages just after midnight.

The southeast, northeast, and southwest regions of England are reported to have been the hardest hit as the nation woke up to the deluge.



“We went to bed with barely any sovereignty, but when I opened the curtains this morning it was up to the bloody windows,” homeowner Ian Benchley told local news crews.

“I’m not entirely sure what it is, but it feels important so I guess we’d better get on with it.”

Sovereignty, which has a blue/black tinge and smells faintly of fish, has not been seen in such vast quantities in Britain since the 1970s — a simpler time when people burned coal for warmth and enjoyed such classic British dishes as Spam with pineapple and children’s party favourite ‘cauliflower surprise’.

Its sudden return overnight has caught many off-guard, however.

“We’d all seen the warnings — the adverts on telly telling us to ‘get ready’ for it,” said one local business owner.

“But it’s hard to get ready for something when you don’t really know what it is — even when you voted for it.”

Not everyone was quite so alarmed, however. Tea room owner Annette Pemberton, who had to be rescued from her home by boat during the early hours of this morning, seemed undeterred by the catastrophic damage the sovereignty had caused to her business.

“Yes, the ground floor of my tea room is now a sodden, herring-scented mess. And, yes, this will undoubtedly leave me with no income to rely on besides the money I make from all of my rental properties.

“But the point is, the sovereignty is back now, and I’m confident that we will, over time, grow a thin layer of webbing between our fingers and toes, ultimately emerging from this nauseating, primordial ooze as a nation of glorious, raft-dwelling merpeople.

“Exactly like we voted for.”
Report sparrow January 2, 2021 8:57 AM GMT
Excellent, mrcombustible Laugh
Report isleham January 2, 2021 9:05 AM GMT
Covid will have such a damaging effect on our and Europe's economies for so long it will be impossible to assess the economic affects of Brexit but the political impact here will be very plain to see
Report acey deucy January 2, 2021 10:10 AM GMT
Chav do you like Dags?Plain
Report Richie_Burnett January 2, 2021 10:34 AM GMT
It's only been 1 day and it's already a disaster for WalesCry

www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/brexit-red-tape-sees-six-19548055



Stena Line tweeted: "While it has been quiet in Holyhead so far today, the port authority indicate that six freight loads bound for Ireland have had to be turned away due to not have the correct references.


"Not a penny less" they said/lied.
Report saddo January 2, 2021 10:43 AM GMT
Laugh poor remoaners, every day they whine, and probably will until they expire. Happy to plss their lives away complaining on faceless forums instead of making the best of what they have. What a negative shower.
Report 23nights January 2, 2021 11:02 AM GMT

Jan 2, 2021 -- 10:43AM, saddo wrote:


poor remoaners, every day they whine, and probably will until they expire. Happy to plss their lives away complaining on faceless forums instead of making the best of what they have. What a negative shower.


saddo what we are going to have too accept with the remoaners is that any little glitch or problem that  will be ceased upon with feverish glee by them...have you ever come across such a bunch of negative people.Because things on a daily basis were going so great while we were in the eu..pmsl.They cannot accept that brexit was voted for twice 2016 & 2019..ITS NOT GOING TO BE REVERSED ....MOVE ON LOL....let them stew in their own misery maybe one day the penny may drop and they will say ok its not what i voted for but lets move forward.until then let them enjoy the grapes...very sour ones.

Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 11:15 AM GMT
Were anyone here affected by the "slow-down" by the French at their ports? Any moaning from these remoaners then? A bit of inconvenience and these remoaners bleat like spoiled brats/infantiles.

A message for them: Just get over it, accept it or ship out. I can assure your absence will not be missed. United we stand...unless you're not British, a foreigner or presiding overseas.
Report buddeliea January 2, 2021 11:40 AM GMT
I voted remain, and have accepted long ago the result.

I hope i am proved wrong in time and that leaving proves to be good for me,my family growing up, and the country.

At this moment in time i simply dont know. But i do sincerely hope.

To be honest, i dont really see the point in raking over it all, we just have to move on and see what happens.
Hopefully when it becomes clear what leaving has done for us, we will all be happy.
Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 11:53 AM GMT
Indeed. Esp after over 50 years have resulted in our economic funds being used to fund new EU (member) scroungers; flooded with uneducated low quality labour force and still paying for their countrys' upkeep/rejuvenation; EU decisions taken and managed by past-it politicians eg Mr Juncker/Mr Tusk with extremely limited/no experience of running a mega economic powerhouse; ever-increasing EU bureaucrats headcount.

Those not yet cotton-on need to be sectioned, I firmly believe. Remember: the wealth and success of a country is determined by how productive and cohesive its citizens are. It's time the British people step-up and deliver; no more excuses and blame on foreigners. Brexit is a time to grasp (not missed) and exploit opportunities bestow upon us.
Report 23nights January 2, 2021 11:55 AM GMT

Jan 2, 2021 -- 11:40AM, buddeliea wrote:


I voted remain, and have accepted long ago the result.I hope i am proved wrong in time and that leaving proves to be good for me,my family growing up, and the country.At this moment in time i simply dont know. But i do sincerely hope.To be honest, i dont really see the point in raking over it all, we just have to move on and see what happens.Hopefully when it becomes clear what leaving has done for us, we will all be happy.


well said.

Report LoyalHoncho January 2, 2021 12:00 PM GMT
The EU are chancers?  ffs impossible123 Boris Johnson is the snake oil salesman here.
I wonder what this mountebank gave Macron to allow all our lorries through Dover?
Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 12:24 PM GMT
You're being insulting if you thought I voted Brexut because of Bojo. I voted for Mrs May (I'm a Labour voter) because I wanted Brexit; Mr Corbyn nothing but a stooge as proven by his denial and indecisiveness on Anti-Semitism within the Party. He was also the most uneducated, uninformed and unsuitable Labour leader the Party ever had; he was nothign but a stooge of Momentum. 

To me Brexit is the most important decision the citizens of this country have made for the last 50 years - not the Invasion of Iraq by a Labour leader and Prime Minister Mr Blair (self-publicist) telling the country a pack of lies.

I challenge the EU supremos to offer what Mr Cameron had offered us UK people ie an EU Referendum. And, I'll not be surprised there will be at least 1/2 a dozen voting to leave the EU tomorrow. The EU is a mishmash of economic unequals and nationalism.
Report LoyalHoncho January 2, 2021 12:27 PM GMT
You are Boris Johnson aren;t you.
Answer anything but the question.  lmao.
Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 12:33 PM GMT
There you go again. Just because my views are vastly differing to yours I'm Bojo or a Conservative supporter. If you carry on in this vein I shall not engage in further discussion and put you on ignore. Simple!
Report sparrow January 2, 2021 1:00 PM GMT
Bojo? Are you talking about a pet rabbit or something?

His name is Boris Johnson although I notice you have recognised a Mr Cameron, Mr Blair and Mrs May.
Report 23nights January 2, 2021 1:29 PM GMT
lol ...sparrow being pedantic as per...
Report Richie_Burnett January 2, 2021 1:45 PM GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village



the sense of fury over Brexit was palpable as local residents came to terms with a government letter they received on New Year’s Eve telling them that from summer, their rural idyll of farmland and ancient Roman ways would be transformed into a customs clearance lorry park for 1,200 trucks.

Locals say they feel “betrayed” and “trapped” by the “lies” of the government over Brexit.

Taking back control!
Report Richie_Burnett January 2, 2021 1:50 PM GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/brexit-is-nothing-to-celebrate-says-irelands-foreign-minister



Coveney said trade across the Irish Sea would be “disrupted by an awful lot more checks and declarations, and bureaucracy and paperwork, and cost and delays”.
Report 23nights January 2, 2021 1:55 PM GMT
a day in the life of a remoaner...wake up moan about brexit,talk to someone/anyone and  whinge about brexit...search endlessly on the internet for negative articles on brexit and seethe to ones self ...cling on to the hope there may be another referendum in 30 years...rinse and repeat on a daily basis..Devil
Report buddeliea January 2, 2021 2:05 PM GMT
And yet here you are!!

Any point?
Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 2:07 PM GMT
Just remember the EU sell more to us than we to them; if hold-ups persist it's only a matter of time it's sorted to everyone's interest esp the EU. Maybe we'd do without some of the stuff from the EU eg wine, some fruits and veg, butter, some fish, etc.

I cannot believe some of the UK people have turned into "whiners". Just deal with it, simple!
Report Richie_Burnett January 2, 2021 2:13 PM GMT
Less fruit, veg, butter and fish. Sounds amazing!
Report acey deucy January 2, 2021 2:21 PM GMT
Shood we no be talkin aboot the Horses lads?Plain
Report impossible123 January 2, 2021 2:23 PM GMT
Yes, 'Richie' put on ignore.
Report LoyalHoncho January 2, 2021 2:29 PM GMT
We're trying to ignore you impossible but you're like a dog that keeps returning to its vomit.
Report brigust1 January 2, 2021 2:39 PM GMT
You keep printing what The Guardian has said. It is the worst pro EU paper going. They have been pedalling this rubbish for four years and they will continue to feed the Remainers because they haven't any more sense. Get a life ffs.
Coveney fought tooth and nail to frustrate Brexit and LOST.
The Guardian has fought tooth and nail and LOST.

Is that all you can do is repeat comments from LOSERS?
Report smirnoff2therescue January 2, 2021 10:41 PM GMT
i wont waste my time on words but give you cotton candy instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeIAllUAWc

LoveLoveCoolCoolGrinGrin
Report smirnoff2therescue January 2, 2021 10:44 PM GMT
ps the video is meant to annoy LaughLaughLaugh
Report smirnoff2therescue January 3, 2021 12:15 AM GMT
everyone hurts sometimes - even George and his cronies......

ask REM and i wont even look cos unlike the tobyjug im living this......
Report smirnoff2therescue January 3, 2021 12:18 AM GMT
oops nee song lets press it home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeIAllUAWc

.
Report kavvie January 3, 2021 9:31 AM GMT
theres only one loser here and its not the eu or the guardian or coveney.  wait til end of march and see how things are going..
Report impossible123 January 3, 2021 10:21 AM GMT
If the grass in truly greener on the other side logic dictates depart for pasture new. One has over 4 years to do just that yet some here have done absolutely nothing instead repeatedly trying to counsel the Brexiteers and denying Brexit is done and dusted.

Who is more stupid? Brexiteers or those with a crystal ball (remoaners)? Almost every EU acquaintance I know has chosen to remain for the time being or staying in the UK for good. May be the remoaners will make the honourable decision to depart the UK asap for the good of the country. The UK need people who support Brexit to make it work more efficiently and quicker, not knockers with a crystal ball (apparently).
Report mwnn January 3, 2021 10:50 AM GMT
impossible...you say the UK needs people who support Brexit to make it work more efficiently and quicker.

How do they go about achieving this ?
Report impossible123 January 3, 2021 11:02 AM GMT
I do my bit (same for Covid), and let those (elected/installed) in position of power or intellects of the respective fields do their bit; decision makers and managers managed, others followed to achieve the same objective or go ie a peaceful and successful country.

Which is simpler and more achievable? The UK with its citizens or the EU with its mishmesh entity members of vastly differing economic status, languages,culture and tradition and objective. look what Covid brought out in individual EU member. Nationalism and Self-Preservation. Solidarity was sacrificed.

The EU without the EU scrounging members is a different kettle of fish. Imagine there's only one English Football League (of 92 clubs), not comprising Premier League, Division One, etc. That's what the EU are ie a bunch of unequals managed by past-it career EU (MEP) politicians dumped by their won country subjects.
Report mwnn January 3, 2021 11:16 AM GMT
impossible..i'm not sure you have answered the question,i repeat..how do us, the people who support Brexit, go about

making Brexit work more efficiently and quicker ?
Report dave1357 January 3, 2021 11:23 AM GMT
if you think you'll get anything other than various versions of "bulgarians are scroungers" out of 123, you are in for a disappointment.
Report impossible123 January 3, 2021 11:26 AM GMT
Do you honestly believe i'll give you chapter and verse here? I did that at Uni.

Each citizen has a role to play and contribute accordingly in whatever they may be responsible for. The world do not own us (the British people) a living; hard graft and responsibility. What I do believe is the UK stand a much better chance of succeeding and prospering than the EU given our composition and economic status.

An industrious stupid person will not go hungry. However, a clever lazy person could. Action speaks louder than words!
Report mwnn January 3, 2021 11:42 AM GMT
impossible..ah i see what you're proscribing,it sounds like wishful thinking.I hope you don't base your
betting selections on this method.
Report impossible123 January 3, 2021 1:49 PM GMT
What we are good at, we maintain. What need improving, we put more effort into it. Keep trying and doing your best. And, keep it simple. Nothing is rocket science including being out of the EU; trading with the rest of the world is a challenge and rewarding. If Singapore and Japan can make a success of it, the UK with the support of its people will have the best chance given its economic position and existing infrastructure.

The EU is a different proposition altogether; size its only advantage, but an economic white elephant good for hangers-on.
Report Richie_Burnett January 3, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
If the grass in truly greener on the other side logic dictates depart for pasture new.

Now that we've "taken back control", it's much harder to live/work overseas. You'd have to hop countries every 3 months, phone wouldn't work the same, free healthcare gone...Cry
Report saddo January 3, 2021 4:44 PM GMT
EU lovers had plenty of time to sort that out, as did EU citizens who want to stay here. Tough luck on those who couldn't be bothered in the hope that it would be reversed.
Report Richie_Burnett January 3, 2021 4:50 PM GMT
I suppose if you were a polyglot, didn't use modern technology and were impervious to any kind of illness then you'd be fineLaugh
Report saddo January 3, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
I suppose if you were an angry remain voter you'd give a toss about em, I don't.
Report Richie_Burnett January 3, 2021 5:14 PM GMT
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/03/if-sunak-can-lobby-for-banks-post-brexit-he-must-do-it-for-other-services-too



The chancellor said he hoped a planned memorandum of understanding (MoU) on the issue would reassure the EU and persuade Brussels to give the City of London the access it craves. A promise made by the British chancellor of the exchequer that the UK will “remain in close dialogue with our European partners when it comes to things like equivalence decisions” is supposed to do the trick.

And as if this mountain were not already high enough, EU negotiators are still angry at the betrayals and tactical shifting by the prime minister over the last 18 months, and wary about any such handshake agreement with his right-hand man.


Tories still behind the 8 ball. No plan and no clue. Please bank with us but don't sell us dearer food and cars.

#TakingBackControl
Report chavman January 3, 2021 9:13 PM GMT
Richie_Burnett03 Jan 21 17:38


Now that we've "taken back control", it's much harder to live/work overseas. You'd have to hop countries every 3 months, phone wouldn't work the same, free healthcare gone.


where you going?...the EU or fkin mars Laugh
Report saddo January 3, 2021 9:37 PM GMT
You brute, can't you feel his pain ffs?  Laugh
Report 23nights January 4, 2021 12:09 PM GMT
not looked properly..anyone know if weve vaccinated more people than france...apparently theres quite a gap..Devil
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