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13 Dec 20 18:45
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Q and A’s regarding the competition format and rules.

How many selections must be made?

Over the month entrants must make 1 selection on at least 25 days.Anyone can join in at any time as long as this criteria can be met, so for the January comp, the 7th would be the latest possible time to join in.

The calculation for no shows which cannot be exceeded is Days Of The Month - 25
So for January 31-25 = 6 possible days when an entrant can refrain from offering a selection

Void runners will not be viewed in the same way.Whilst Substitutes can be offered along with the primary selection on any given day following all the usual rules, a failure to have offered up a substitute to replace a void runner will not be used as a strike in the same way as a No Show.So in theory for a month, an entrant may still be accepted for posting less than 25 selections so long as the no show limit is not exceeded.

Can I change my selection once it’s been posted.?

You can only change your selection IF it is either deemed void OR it is nonsensical, ie a horse that doesn’t exist given in error. If sub(s) have been offered they will be used instead.If no sub has been offered and the selection deemed void you can post another selection so long as it’s BEFORE the 15 min before first race time limit.

What criteria do selections need to satisfy?

*Selections AT TIME OF POSTING must be of odds no greater than 6.0 in any UK or IRE race under rules win or STANDARD place markets on Betfair. A rule change now determines that selections going off greater than the old 6.0 limit will now not be deemed void but instead will be settled at BFSP no matter what price this is and staking will be in accordance with the fixed 5% liability of bank as always.

Are win and place markets settled in the same way?

Win markets allow for a choice between an early price to be taken or BFSP, whereas place markets will ALWAYS be settled at BFSP. The reason for the difference being the sluggish liquidity difference between those markets and thus the credibility of early prices.

When must selections be posted? (please read this carefully)

A selections thread for the following days racing will usually be posted between 6-7pm, in the event I am not around at this time the selections thread may be put up sooner.Anyone who needs to post a selection sooner than the next days thread being active can message me and I will make sure their entry along with any substitutes is posted on that day’s selections thread.

The competition will have 2 phases for the selections process.
Phase 1 will be from the time the selections thread is posted until 8am the following day (race day).

In this phase there is an opportunity primarily for those that are not around on race day to still be able to take part.Selections given during this time will be settled at BFSP unless a bet meeting the competition liability (current bank / 20) is posted on the selections thread to show it was feasible. The reason for this request at this stage is the volatility and slackness of the market and subsequent ?? over the credibility of an early price taken.

Eg the starting liability in the comp is £50 so a qualifying bet at the stated price must be posted for a minimum of that liability to be settled as such.

Selections posted with prices that aren’t verified in the above fashion will still be allowed but settled at BFSP.

Entrants are more than welcome to offer up to 2 substitutes to back up their primary entry in the event of that runner being deemed void.If 2 substitutes are offered they will replace the void selection in the order they are posted. In the unfortunate event the substitute(s) are also deemed void the entrant will be put down as a void selection day.

16:00 Haydock First Selection
Sub 15:55 Catterick Second Selection
Sub 13:20 Southwell Third Selection

Where 2 Subs are given they will be chosen in order posted rather than time of races.

Phase 2 will be from 8am until t-15mins of the FIRST RACE OF THE DAY (so if the first race of the day is 12:00 ALL ENTRIES FOR THE DAY must be in by no later than 11:45am.Any Entries past this time will not be allowed!

In this phase of the market, Entrants can take an early price (no posted bet required) as last price matched when posting or leave their selection to be settled at BFSP. Note again that place market selections will always be settled at BFSP at whatever phase of the markets.

How are selections staked and returns calculated?

Selections are staked to a fixed 5% liability of an entrant’s current bank with a 2% commission rate which recently has become widely available on Betfair.

Where a price has been taken this will be used in settlement even if the BFSP returns greater than the permitted 6.0 max limit.
If deductions occur in the market after this price was taken, the taken price will be adjusted accordingly and so will the relevant staking for that selection to stay at the 5% liability of current bank.

Where a price has not been taken settlement will as in phase 1 of the market be at BFSP.

Where can the current standings be seen and who wins the comp?

The days results will be posted on the days selections thread on this forum, the overall standings will be over on the Your Comps forum.The winner will be the entrant with the biggest bank at the end of the month.We will also have an overall comp for the duration November through March this time around.

Anyone is free to join in on any given month so long as they can still fulfill the 25 selections minimum for the month.For a chance of winning the overall comp running November through March, the minimum selections offered must be at least 100.

Good luck all.
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Report happysandwich December 13, 2020 6:52 PM GMT
Plumpton 2:58 Hab Sab
Naas 12:55 Royal Illusion

Thanks Stride.

Anyone reading this and can’t post get an iMac and use Safari.
Works every time.
Report invicta December 13, 2020 7:11 PM GMT
Mountain Leopard   1.18 Plumpton

thank you striding / mr sandwich
Report happysandwich December 13, 2020 7:29 PM GMT
Lay Naps Comp SELECTIONS Mondayday 14th December

You can't get good staff nowadays Stride

Monday !! Monday !!
Can't trust that day
Report invicta December 13, 2020 7:38 PM GMT
the happy mondaydays
Report happysandwich December 13, 2020 10:11 PM GMT
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 12:16 AM GMT
I'll stick them in but might have gone over the max days now


Culture 7:05 Kempton


Unohu 1:10 Ayr

Thanks Happy
Report dukeofpuke December 14, 2020 12:22 AM GMT
Anyone reading this and can’t post get an iMac and use Safari.
Works every time.

When the forum was down i couldnt post just got the please log in

I used google chrome avast mozilla fiefox and iphone safari

So if forum is down its only those still logged in that can still post
Report dukeofpuke December 14, 2020 12:27 AM GMT
Darkest Day 2.23 Plumpton
Report Celeric December 14, 2020 9:46 AM GMT
seemorelights 2.15 ayr

I have decided to continue and see what happens. However, we all need to know what the table is, what is happening to the naps when the forum was unavailable to all, and what happens with this problem moving forward. It is clearly unfair to accept the picks during the last few days when some people couldn't take part. I await a firm and fair decision with interest. This is a good competition, i hope it can continue.
Report ItsMeSwaddle December 14, 2020 10:00 AM GMT
Unohu 1310 Ayr
Report TheNorfolkMafia December 14, 2020 10:18 AM GMT
Gentlemans Dream - 2.58 Plumpton

Currently, 4.90 to Lay!
Report The Management December 14, 2020 10:20 AM GMT
It looks to me like it's over fellas - it was very decent of Striding to keep it going after November under the circumstances - but it doesn't look like he is going to be administrating December.
Report stewarts rise December 14, 2020 10:21 AM GMT
Good points Celeric, who is going to keep the scores going as looks like SE has given up, not been seen since forum accessible again.
Victoria's Peak- place market 3.28 Plumpton.
Report funkydj December 14, 2020 10:42 AM GMT
13:53 Plumpton Garrane (place lay)
Report penzance December 14, 2020 11:17 AM GMT
Royal Illusion 12.55 Naas
(3.5 LPM)
   GL ALL.
Is Stridingedge ok?
Thought he'd be on even if not carrying on with this.
Report madhatters December 14, 2020 11:37 AM GMT
Jelski 1.10 Ayr
Place lay

Seems destined to not get a second month out of this again
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 2:27 PM GMT
Stride can't access the forum still Sad

Its awful this forum, for a big place like Betfair not to be able to run a competent forum is ridiculous, esp when there's people out there running forums with a lot lot lot less resources Plain
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 2:33 PM GMT
If most can't enter there's no point playing on

Will see if stride turns up by tonight
Report The Management December 14, 2020 2:44 PM GMT
The Forum is 100% fixed (allegedly) Sont - not that I take anything assured to me by BF as a given!

Maybe Striding is not willing to click through the message that advises "your info will be shared" (or something to that effect).

Pretty sure anyone (that wants to) can now post - but there doesn't seem a lot of point in carrying on with this unless somebody is willing to administrate it.
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 5:51 PM GMT
Fair point management

Hopefully he's fine as well
Report happysandwich December 14, 2020 6:19 PM GMT
If someone else decides to take it on remember tomorrow is NOT Tuesdayday.

Report The Management December 14, 2020 6:25 PM GMT
I think Swad has the right idea (a knockout comp) - it makes more sense for the people that aren't doing so great to get knocked out - rather than this format - where they just get to slink away quietly by not bothering anymore - which is pretty rude and disrespectful to both the organiser and the other players imo.
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 6:31 PM GMT
I wouldn't do that I'd carry on but

Yeah a knock out format would be cool, that way any problems we can just wait it out and come back at a later date in say the quarter final stage, or a cut off say top 10 after the 10th of the month move into the 2nd stage, top 6 after the 20th of the month move into the final stage

Or something like that but better organised and ironed out Laugh I'm no runner of a comp
Report The Management December 14, 2020 6:36 PM GMT
I think you have just done a very good job of ruling yourself out as organiser there Sont - if it were to go to a vote! LaughWink

Seriously though - it must take a great deal of time and effort - so another big up to Striding. Top fella imo. Hope he is ok.
Report ItsMeSwaddle December 14, 2020 6:42 PM GMT
I really enjoy Stridings comp, I hope as someone said it is simply posting issues and we can carry on, its gave me new disciplined life to sit there and find a lay for the day.

No reason why they couldnt both run, mine would be a backing comp.
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 6:48 PM GMT
Yeah management not a great shout to be fair

And yeah all the comp runners deserve massive respect, all the hard work and the moans directed at them etc
Report The Management December 14, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
Does anyone know him in the "real world" - he seemed very friendly with a few - but I have no idea if that extended beyond this place?

I must admit - I had reservations about clicking through the message when opening the Forum (something about - your information will be shared with others?). Figured that's the whole point of a forum - so I clicked - but can appreciate it might put some off.
Report SontaranStratagem December 14, 2020 7:00 PM GMT
I'm not sure, I think someone said a while back he lives alone though, when the covid stuff was taking off he went missing then as well and we were worried about him. I'm sure it was him that did get ill around March-April and was a relief when he posted again.
Report Blencathra December 14, 2020 7:03 PM GMT
i'm now going to give it a miss .. until this place runs a little better

knockout comp ???  now i remember in my old screeny doing well a few yrs back when someone ran one (few sherberts for winning )
Report Blencathra December 14, 2020 7:04 PM GMT
i do mean the forum when say runs better
Report TheNorfolkMafia December 14, 2020 9:39 PM GMT
Unless stridingedge returns to run the competition, I shall not be posting anymore Lays!
Report madhatters December 15, 2020 11:09 AM GMT
Looks like the consensus so far
From those who have posted is to let it drop until Stride returns

The tech knowhow and tables from SE are top notch and i don't think i could match it or even be bothered Grin

He did go missing in the second month last time when covid started but ruled out illness
So guessing the forum issues got to him
Stroppy booger when wants to be Laugh
Like most of us

GL till the messiah returns Grin
Report funkydj December 15, 2020 11:13 AM GMT
Hey guys, I know I’m new to the this comp (only joined this month) after seeing how well it went in November.  But I’m up for keeping it going and taking on the admin that Stirding was doing.  I do my studying in the morning so should have the time maybe others don’t.  I was maybe thinking of the main competition with same rules, format and maybe run a laying last man standing alongside the comp, so even if you get knocked out of the last man standing you still have the main comp. We could do a trial run for the rest of December and start proper in January.  Obviously if Striding returns then great! Have a think, It’s just an offer for those that would like to continue as it seems a such a shame to just let it die.
Report Gaze733 December 15, 2020 11:45 AM GMT
Who won the competition in November? Is there a ranking somewhere? I want to follow the best layers.
Report Celeric December 15, 2020 12:17 PM GMT
Funkydj thats a fair offer I'm happy to if you get enough from others. The problem with last man standing comp, is that when you are out everyone loses interest and it is often a different lay from the main comp. for example you may wish to lay an evens fav to win more money but that doesn't mean you'd risk it in a last man standing comp. Either way, i would give it a go.
Report The Management December 15, 2020 1:27 PM GMT
Funkydj - I agree with Celeric - if you're prepared to put in the time and effort - I'm pretty much always up for a laying comp.

I know there are loads of backing comps - but it's laying that appeals to me. I have no real interest in backing because (apart from filthy EW's) my approach to a race would rarely involve backing just one in a race.

Gaze - I am too humble and modest to tell you who won in November (and was leading the overall) - but you can find the results in the "Your Competitions" forum - towards the bottom left of this page. Although I think you would find it a bit too slow and steady for your taste!
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