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acey deucy
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7-4 dont make me laugh ffs.Yeah yeah he looked like a Monster in The Triumph Hudle when all The Planets were Aligned but that was just a Freek Show and will never happen again.....Lay for plenty.Cool
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Report Poppydog. December 12, 2020 3:00 PM GMT
Call Me Lord and Ballyandy enjoy it here and are hugely priced for class horses.

Green up in single figures.
Report sageform December 12, 2020 3:00 PM GMT
Now nearly a flat race, who will that suit?
Report stocks December 12, 2020 3:00 PM GMT
Never seen a flat  race with hurdles ¡!!!!!
Report impossible123 December 12, 2020 3:01 PM GMT
This business with not jumping all the hurdles ridiculous. I know the reason given nevertheless, this ver, very seldom (if at all) in the old days. Is NH racing getting soft?
Report impossible123 December 12, 2020 3:01 PM GMT
'Lay Goshen'
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:05 PM GMT
Nuff said.Cool
Report shoodacoodadidnt December 12, 2020 3:05 PM GMT
most rancid - 2.7 to win, 1.8 for a place - told you all you need to know - completely disgusting
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 12, 2020 3:06 PM GMT
Cool boom
Report wondersobright December 12, 2020 3:07 PM GMT
incredible price for a place & yeah I took the bait Cry
Report sparrow December 12, 2020 3:07 PM GMT
Well done, Acey.
Report sageform December 12, 2020 3:07 PM GMT
Got my SS place but very nearly won. Adam got lost going to the chicane and lost a vital half length. Well done Tom Symonds for improving the winner so much.
Report hulk23 December 12, 2020 3:07 PM GMT
would've won if they'd jumped all the hurdles ...
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:07 PM GMT
Keep listening to your Uncle Acey.Wink
Report stewarts rise December 12, 2020 3:08 PM GMT
Well done Acey, good call.
Report sageform December 12, 2020 3:10 PM GMT
Goshen needs to go end to end as he looks very one paced in that company.
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:10 PM GMT
Thank's lads you know i am never far wrong.Grin
Report leif December 12, 2020 3:10 PM GMT
Goshen -blood vessel?
Report Storm Alert December 12, 2020 3:11 PM GMT
WD Ibrahima Sonko nice 6/1 winner.
Report hulk23 December 12, 2020 3:11 PM GMT
fred said 9/4.   fred knew.
Report wondersobright December 12, 2020 3:11 PM GMT

Dec 12, 2020 -- 9:10AM, leif wrote:


Goshen -blood vessel?


gone out like a light so will be something like that leif

Report the old nanny ;-) December 12, 2020 3:12 PM GMT
Good lay acey well done , I bet SS Cry
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:12 PM GMT
Goshen pulled like a train and was never getting home.
Report Trendy December 12, 2020 3:12 PM GMT
acey is ACE.
Report Trendy December 12, 2020 3:12 PM GMT
acey is ACE.
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:13 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Trendy December 12, 2020 3:13 PM GMT
Double ACE.
Report buddeliea December 12, 2020 3:15 PM GMT
Goshen did pull too much, but that was too bad to be true.
Think it best to wait to see if the horse is ok before making negative comments.
Report wondersobright December 12, 2020 3:23 PM GMT

Dec 12, 2020 -- 9:12AM, acey deucy wrote:


Goshen pulled like a train and was never getting home.


horse has done that its whole career

Report wondersobright December 12, 2020 3:24 PM GMT
when you pull hard you don't drop out within 50yds
especially not on the downhill bit
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:26 PM GMT
Good shout I.S well done.Happy
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 12, 2020 3:29 PM GMT
Grin
Report Charlton2005 December 12, 2020 3:53 PM GMT
ACEY wd Grin
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 3:58 PM GMT
Thank's Charlton good result although i did feel a tad sorry for Goshen as he struggled home in last place...I would guess that is him finished as far as Graded Races go.
Report buddeliea December 12, 2020 4:08 PM GMT
We have to wait on that.
Need more info.
Report punchestown December 12, 2020 4:21 PM GMT
Wasn't helped by that long run to the first flight as it lit up and never dropped the bridle afterwards until a spent force,I wouldn't give up on this horse just yet as it seems to have an engine still.They might try head gear or different tack NTO.
Report buddeliea December 12, 2020 4:27 PM GMT
Yeh, it certainly was nothing like the horse we saw just about to thrash the likes of Aspire Tower and Allmankind, 2 horses that have good form this season.
Need to find out what happened today, and see him next time out......hopefully!!
Report sageform December 12, 2020 4:43 PM GMT
I would not be interested in 100/1 for the CH until he improves a lot on that. Not the first Cheltenham 4yo winner or unlucky loser to be disappointing. Where are Pentland Hills, Farclas, Ivanovic Gorbachov? Only Defi du Seuil has shown any real form and that is over fences. And as for Tiger Roll... Burning Victory does not have an entry yet.
Report buddeliea December 12, 2020 4:47 PM GMT
Fair points Sage, but i still think it fair to the horse to find out a bit more, and see him again.
Thats when i will make my judgement.
After all, those 2 i mentioned have done well this season thus far.
Report GAZO December 12, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
if it wasnt for those runs on the flat i would agree
Report Billy Liddell December 12, 2020 5:28 PM GMT
Well done ad
Report NonVintage December 12, 2020 6:10 PM GMT
Good call acey...
Report wondersobright December 12, 2020 8:08 PM GMT
best read this before you gush too much

.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/gary-moore-details-reason-goshens-23157566
Report Rico-Dangleflaps December 12, 2020 8:18 PM GMT
was nick berry involved?
Report Deptford December 12, 2020 9:25 PM GMT
^LaughLaughLaugh
Report Deptford December 12, 2020 9:28 PM GMT
Joking aside I bet they wishedd they never ran on the flat
Report Rico-Dangleflaps December 12, 2020 9:33 PM GMT
obv isnt the horse it was..strange they dont know this.
Report Deptford December 12, 2020 9:39 PM GMT
Yep ^
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 12, 2020 9:56 PM GMT
You would had thought after how badly it ran on the flat they would have given him a full mot.

Owners should send it to a top stable.
Report leif December 12, 2020 10:16 PM GMT

Dec 12, 2020 -- 3:56PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:


You would had thought after how badly it ran on the flat they would have given him a full mot.Owners should send it to a top stable.


Been missing season reappearances for a little while, trainer barking it is 'the best horse he has trained'. Chapman painting scenes of 'tissues drying up tears' when it wins. not so sure a move would help.

Report Deptford December 12, 2020 10:18 PM GMT
No one gives a flying fook what Chapman says
Report leif December 12, 2020 10:25 PM GMT

Dec 12, 2020 -- 4:18PM, Deptford wrote:


No one gives a flying fook what Chapman says


Ollie said  "as Matt expressed the plate event so eloquently"- bro love?

Report Deptford December 12, 2020 10:27 PM GMT
In fact No one takes any notice of anything said on the gravy train racing community
Report leif December 12, 2020 10:35 PM GMT
Doubt very much they are there to preach to you or me Deptford. Their brief is to sell the product to the next generation and to promote sponsorship. Chapman would sell his granny for a higher profile job.
Report dr . atkins December 12, 2020 11:03 PM GMT
let's hope nassalam don't do the same as goshen in the triumph
Report smirnoff2therescue December 12, 2020 11:12 PM GMT
amazing how quickly Goshen has gone backwards - no one really knew what the form amounted to b4 he went into triumph but the display he was putting up b4 his ultimate demise was nothing short of sensational and that fall clearly must hav affected him physically and mentally cos he must be running 2-3 st below form of last yr - and im not buying the 4yr old theory cos Allmankind and Aspire Tower hav already put that one to bed early on this jumps season
Report acey deucy December 12, 2020 11:20 PM GMT
You know when i saw Goshen Win The Triumph Hudle i just thought of Arazi in The Breeders Cup straight away....A Freek performance that would never be repeated and that is how it's turning out.
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 12, 2020 11:24 PM GMT
Cant have it that the juveniles from last season have proven that the 4yo theory is dead, come back in march. Allowances are worth so much before the real races.
Report layemall December 12, 2020 11:29 PM GMT
Chapman has forgotten more about horse racing than most of us on here know......and Deptford and more so Leif, you show yourselves up by your recent comments imo........he told the story of Jamie Moore's recent experiences this morning that I certainly didn't know about in a compassionate way.....and yet he gets the piss taken out of him for that as well....no pleasing some people, whose modus operandi is just to have a go at someone Sad
Report leif December 12, 2020 11:37 PM GMT
Chapman has forgotten more about horse racing than most of us on here know! yeehah bollix
Report layemall December 12, 2020 11:44 PM GMT
Would love to be able to set up a head to head racing quiz between him and yourself Leif....then after being smashed by him, you could just foxtrot oscar for good.....or, learn to choose your words more wisely Wink
Report leif December 12, 2020 11:47 PM GMT
ok you win - satisfied?
Report leif December 12, 2020 11:53 PM GMT
I'll send him my ante post vouchers so he can paper his outside bog with them Cry
Report layemall December 12, 2020 11:55 PM GMT
Yep Wink
Report layemall December 12, 2020 11:57 PM GMT
Oh dear...forked tongue....book in for an op on that asap.....
Report leif December 13, 2020 12:20 AM GMT
Faux pas with the "Chapman has forgotten more about horse racing than most of us on here know"- obviously sailed way over your head Excited.
Report smirnoff2therescue December 13, 2020 12:26 AM GMT
i remember after Aux Pit Soins had just bolted up at Chelters - soz cant rememba yr- someone was gushing about posh nob Bell having marked their card b4 they tried to brush it ova - not a mention pre race or mark ya card -but evry1 on the RTV  bandwagon were on or shuda been - believe wot ya see and not wot ya here has always been my motto LoveLoveShockedShocked
Report leif December 13, 2020 12:36 AM GMT
Lots to agree with that SM- as in we shall judge them by their actions and not by their words. When gary moore says this is the best horse he has trained following 3 losses it may take a leap of faith but today's support suggests there were plenty to ready to leap. I don't see much there today to back it at 25/1 unless the arrhythmia was caused by the horse supping red bull day in day out
Report layemall December 13, 2020 1:01 AM GMT
"Faux pas with the "Chapman has forgotten more about horse racing than most of us on here know"- obviously sailed way over your head Excited."....oh please do expand on this one for the benefit of the forum and myself.
Report leif December 13, 2020 1:08 AM GMT
Fu** off Fraudy = Lambrook's headmaster wants your arse remember?
Report layemall December 13, 2020 1:12 AM GMT
Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.....try again...
Report leif December 13, 2020 1:17 AM GMT
no need - you're working within constraints. so much so you're fuc***
Report layemall December 13, 2020 1:21 AM GMT
spit it out ffs.....not a clue what you're on about.....
Report leif December 13, 2020 1:25 AM GMT
np -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3DcChXNyYQ
Report layemall December 13, 2020 1:36 AM GMT
thanks...all very clear now......glad that's all sorted....wtf CrazyCrazy
Report leif December 13, 2020 1:48 AM GMT
No problem once again-enjoy- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHQxU-tQZkHow To Make Gay Gingerbread Men: VLOGMAS
Report layemall December 13, 2020 2:02 AM GMT
Anyway...well done Acey....you were right today/yesterday.......time will tell (as usual), as to whether that run was a true reflection of Goshen's current ability....I am more inclined to believe Gary Moore's opinion of the horse, and so would not write him off yet for the future.
Report buddeliea December 13, 2020 7:23 AM GMT
But Goshen and the trainer’s son Jamie trailed in last of the 10 runners as Song For Someone clung on by a nose from Silver Streak.

“The racecourse vets had a look at him and said it was atrial fibrillation,” revealed the West Sussex handler.


“It’s nice to have an excuse for a run like that - you’d be scratching your head otherwise.

“I’ll get my vet to have a look at him in the morning and take it from there.”
Report sageform December 13, 2020 8:32 AM GMT
Buddleia, I did say I would not back him for the CH unless he showed big improvement before then. Even then I would want 10/1 about any 5yo in the race. They do win but usually they come back at 6 and win as Collier Bay, Kribensis and others have done. Only champions like Persian War and See you Then win it at 5 and 6 and I don't see Goshen in that category.
Report buddeliea December 13, 2020 8:45 AM GMT
Well hes not in that category right now, but he looked like he may be last March!! Or at least an exceptional juvenile.

I will be keeping a close eye on how hes getting on, cos current prices are huge if he can overcome current problems and get back to his form of the Triumph.
Report Deptford December 13, 2020 9:29 AM GMT
What he said yesterday was a touching story, and then he goes back to his normal foghorn self, I do not care how much he knows about racing, that is nothing to do with it, he is rude, I like to listen to a reasoned debate, that never happens with him.
Report layemall December 13, 2020 9:49 AM GMT
Morning Deptford.....fair enough...case of different strokes for different folks I guess....have a good one...
Report sageform December 13, 2020 10:39 AM GMT
If we are back to Chapman then I agree that he has the knowledge but not the right manner for the job. A younger version of McCririck imo. I didn't like Mac and I don't like Chapman. They can often be perceptive and proved right but neither put their hand up when they were wrong and both enjoy(ed) embarrassing other people.
Report Deptford December 13, 2020 10:47 AM GMT
Same to you lay.
Report shoodacoodadidnt December 13, 2020 10:58 AM GMT
uneven heartbeat - so who were all the smarties who magically knew about the 'uneven heartbeat' before the race and put up 1.8 for 3 places for a 7/4 shot? ..... shi*ty ole game
Report sageform December 13, 2020 11:32 AM GMT
So why didn't they lay it for the win? It got stronger over the last 24 hours. The generous place price made sense if you were very doubtful after the flat runs.
Report acey deucy December 13, 2020 11:35 AM GMT
I still cant understand the gamble on Goshen every Racing Pundit that i listened to could not have him.
Report tanglefoot December 13, 2020 11:40 AM GMT
One swallow doesn’t make a summer,Acey
Backers were going on reputation,unfortunately, it didn’t turn out,like in the fairytales.Grin
Report sageform December 13, 2020 11:41 AM GMT
I had an open mind before the race but could never have backed him at less than 8/1. In the end my only bet was SS for a place at 3 as he is super consistent.
Report RothmanMike December 13, 2020 2:57 PM GMT
Good luck to anyone who risks their hard earned on a skinny Gary Moore horse.
Not a trainer be trusted in my opinion.
20/1 plus YES, otherwise NO.
Report shoodacoodadidnt December 13, 2020 3:14 PM GMT
Agreed
Report buddeliea December 13, 2020 4:10 PM GMT
Why dont you trust him?
Report RothmanMike December 13, 2020 5:30 PM GMT
Not gonna give you any ammunition to fire back.
I just don’t trust him.
Let’s leave it at that.
Report leif December 13, 2020 6:34 PM GMT
Trainer now believes the horse is "claustrophobic" -
Report Steamship December 13, 2020 7:43 PM GMT
I think he should be put away till next season I wonder if the sequence of wins and the festival run have just caught up with him and he does not want to go to the pain barrier again.
Report acey deucy December 13, 2020 7:51 PM GMT
Shirley nobody think's the Horse can come back?....He is finish ffs.Plain
Report leif December 13, 2020 8:16 PM GMT

Dec 13, 2020 -- 1:51PM, acey deucy wrote:


Shirley nobody think's the Horse can come back?....He is finish ffs.


Seemingly so, apart from Bet Victor who have him in at 8/1. 25/1 generally available and 23/1 on the machine. likely to have meds for his heart issue and could well go straight to Cheltenham where, if you believe connections it will be allowed to have its head to combat its claustrophobia. Leap of faith at this juncture to believe it will walk away with a blue riband event but stranger things have happened.

Report acey deucy December 13, 2020 8:22 PM GMT
Look the Horse left us with a memory we will never forget in The Triumph Hurdle,but it's all over for him now imho....Anybody that think's he can recapture that form is living in cloud cuckoo land.
Report buddeliea December 14, 2020 8:01 AM GMT
Well i will live in cloud cuckoo land until the horse has run out of chances.
That certainly aint after one run back over hurdles, with genuine reasons why it did not go well.

Lets just give the horse time, and hope he can still become the horse he looked like becoming last season.
Surely we would all want that.

Mike, i have no intention getting into a fight with you, just intrigued as to why you dont trust him......i dont know him, maybe you do?
Report RothmanMike December 14, 2020 12:15 PM GMT
Buddeliea, I'm strictly a Layer on here, and when I say not to be trusted I mean I dont Lay his horses.
He wins when he shouldnt, and fancied horses run inexplicably poorly.
I have a list of Trainers and Jockeys and Owners I won't touch, and he is right up there.
Hope that helps.
Report buddeliea December 14, 2020 12:39 PM GMT
Ah ok Mike, understand.
Good luck.
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