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A maximum of 4,000 fans are set to be allowed at outdoor events in the lowest-risk areas when the national lockdown in England ends on 2 December.
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Report punts November 23, 2020 3:36 PM GMT
So where we can go? anyone got a list of the tiers ?
Report ronnie rails November 23, 2020 3:38 PM GMT
Punts

tiers will be out on Thursday

regards
Ronnie.
Report Andrew.in.Sweden November 23, 2020 3:53 PM GMT
Tingle Creek @ Sandown on December 5th ?
Report Fashion Fever November 23, 2020 4:16 PM GMT
wonder what tier cheltenham will be in march
Report duncan idaho November 23, 2020 4:20 PM GMT
box boyz back Cry
Report hulk23 November 23, 2020 4:21 PM GMT
whatever tier it's in, if anyone goes it will be blamed for any subsequent increase ..
Report sofiakenny November 23, 2020 4:21 PM GMT
Stupidity..more deaths will be caused by this madness...do we REALLY have to attend sporting events?
Report Normanston Rangers November 23, 2020 4:31 PM GMT
tier 3  could well be Sandown(Esher) no crowd
Report Normanston Rangers November 23, 2020 4:31 PM GMT
tier 3  could well be Sandown(Esher) no crowd
Report elise November 23, 2020 4:36 PM GMT
will cause plenty of confusion, if you live in a higher tier you wouldn't be allowed to go to a lower tier event, they are then talking of higher tiers than pre lockdown, whole thing is a mess
Report onlooker November 23, 2020 4:45 PM GMT
Agree = Stupid idea.

How on earth can you try and manage tis - and Football - on a piecemeal basis.

Either everybody - or nobody.
Report elise November 23, 2020 4:48 PM GMT
for racing members will be first port of call for a ticket so unlikely the average fan will get to a decent meeting, could see wolvs manage to get a crowd over 200 on a weds night though
Report the old nanny ;-) November 23, 2020 4:48 PM GMT
Great News , Dont know what your worried about Kenny yee wont be going any where , Nicky will do bang opposite  of any advice , Could be another year for your Mob , Has she got any funds left to pay for the Vaccine ?
Report sofiakenny November 23, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
Correct I wont be going anywhere..vaccine around the corner but can't wait a wee bit longer?..bampots.
Report The Pies November 23, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
Why now when it wasn't ok in July/ Aug. New scientific guidance?
Report 11kv November 23, 2020 5:02 PM GMT
MONEY
Report sixtwosix November 23, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
Money .....how does 4,000 help Premier League clubs who get 50 , 60 or 70 thousand fans .....or Cheltenham who get quarter of a million in March?

More likely antagonism on who gets a ticket and for what game/meeting.
Report elise November 23, 2020 5:07 PM GMT
not helping the bigger events/clubs but will help smaller venues and lower league teams to survive, bigger picture
Report 11kv November 23, 2020 5:13 PM GMT
Premier league clubs are last on the list that need help as Elise says its the lower leagues and smaller attended events that need spectators to survive. EPL will be just fine as the pandemic fizzles out...
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 5:16 PM GMT
Fantasy Island Betting Ltd back with a bang? Big Mart would be hard pushed to match Tigger!!!Grin
Report OilyWragg November 23, 2020 5:32 PM GMT
The 4,000 figure is ample enough for 90% of jumps meetings.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 5:35 PM GMT
It is simply not going to happen according to a highly placed mate on the backbench.
Report 11kv November 23, 2020 5:38 PM GMT
Stepladder ?
Report OilyWragg November 23, 2020 5:39 PM GMT
Crazy
Report Hibore November 23, 2020 5:41 PM GMT
I think it’s great news. I’ve been racing twice in last couple of months and the setup is extremely safe.
Report layingisthewayforward November 23, 2020 6:04 PM GMT
Not a member anywhere so doubt I'll get to go but would love a day at the races.
Report elise November 23, 2020 6:07 PM GMT
if a vaccine is on line and fast testing, i can't see any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to go racing with a bit of paper that say's you're safe or immunised or both, we could have some normality by spring
Report Hibore November 23, 2020 6:09 PM GMT
Hoping members are allowed back at Sandown and Cheltenham. Would make my Xmas.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 6:13 PM GMT
By spring,yes elise,before Kempton on 26th,very,very doubtful,from a reliable source within Westminster.
Report truehoncho November 23, 2020 6:13 PM GMT
Well Elise the chances of you getting the vaccine by next Thursday may be slim but your point is correct!! 1 day after lockdown 4000 at the races, bonkers!. Anyway better late than never, hope all that want to go racing get a chance asap.
Report elise November 23, 2020 6:18 PM GMT
i did mean post xmas, but frankly the facical changes that this gov seem to make from week to week i'm beginning to think if you have a bklue peter badge they'll probably decide you're qualified to be a doctor
Report the old nanny ;-) November 23, 2020 6:25 PM GMT
What difference will having a substantial meal make if you go to the Pub , Does food stop the Virus ?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 6:28 PM GMT
NOT going to happen,anyone wishing to lay even 1/2 pre 26th Dec?
Report elise November 23, 2020 6:31 PM GMT
What difference will having a substantial meal make if you go to the Pub  i'd assume they think if you're sat down rather than mingling there's less chance of spreading the virus
Report adge November 23, 2020 6:32 PM GMT
courses in tier 1....can only think of fakenham
Report elise November 23, 2020 6:34 PM GMT
what made me laugh was there was a news item recently where they went and tested the surfaces, doors, etc within coffee shops, supermarkets and the like, then sent the results for testing, there was little evidence of covid but they did find large amounts of excrement especially in costa coffee .... best get take aways
Report elise November 23, 2020 6:35 PM GMT
adge, most of the south west was still tier one pre lockdown i think?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 6:39 PM GMT
Why is it so difficult for the UK to understand? Movement and interaction of people is what SPREADS the virus?

So here is why my friend on the back benches says the introduction of spectators will not/should not happen this side of spring..............just for horseracing btw.

It cannot be localised,most of the movement will come from outside any area even deemed to be of a low risk/low level area and therefore import potential risk into even a sterile area.

Common sense imvho?
Report isleham November 23, 2020 6:41 PM GMT
at least its a good step in the right direction..especially for small racecourses in the rural areas and lower division football teams(contrary to the media agenda there is football below the premier league) and county cricket next season
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk November 23, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
Seems like the Gov have accepted that deaths are inevitable but won't say that of course.
Saving the economy is the main priority now
Report adge November 23, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
yes , elise , possibly correct .
Report Hibore November 23, 2020 7:08 PM GMT
Nothing to do with the economy. It’s about survival of many football clubs, racecourses and the arts.
The woke’s on here look for fault in everything the government does.

What is the difference going to a supermarket with 1000 people shopping and same amount at a Racecourse ?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 7:16 PM GMT
Quantify your comment Hibore,I was and still in favour of attendance at racecourses.You seem as stupid as the majority,prove me wrong?

Since the start nobody has?
Report Hibore November 23, 2020 7:47 PM GMT
I understand your concerns but I’ve been to racecourses in the last few weeks. The level of protection is far beyond going to the pub or even supermarkets.
If you are sensible and obey the rules you will be safe.

If you want me to run through the protocol at the racecourses I can....
Report sixtwosix November 23, 2020 7:54 PM GMT
It’s about survival of many football clubs, racecourses and the arts.

Only the few in Tier 1 .....the majority are left to rot.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 7:54 PM GMT
All I need is COMMON SENSE no more and no less.Said from the start on here,stop interaction and movement of people is the only way to halt this virus.

My wife is a micro biologist,said the same,her sister and niece DEAD,both medics and very healthy.Explain where a few ignorant/arrogant/selfish idiots should be let loose to perpetuate the deadly killer just to see a horse running around a grass strip?
Report Hibore November 23, 2020 8:04 PM GMT
I take it you haven’t left your house since March ?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 8:08 PM GMT
Twice Hibore,but even then people are much more intelligent including the very young,4 times to the clinic on top.Not one that I know would put their parents or grandparents at risk by being irresponsible.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 8:51 PM GMT
Btw if my mate has it wrong then you might as well recognise why England will become the Leper of the Western World,it will be so if the plans come to fruition.

Whilst questioning your Government (assuming that you all do)?

Ask them for a Freedom Of Information release in terms of Rudolph Hess and 1.01 you will get the same response about National Security as to actual deaths regarding Covid!!!! NAP
Report truehoncho November 23, 2020 9:06 PM GMT
My wife is a micro biologist,said the same,her sister and niece DEAD,both medics and very healthy.Explain where a few ignorant/arrogant/selfish idiots should be let loose to perpetuate the deadly killer just to see a horse running around a grass strip?  --  My mates mothers sister is a epidemiologist she loves horse racing. My grandads friends uncle met King Kanute, he thought he could stop the tide, he was a plonker too.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:08 PM GMT
Look back and tell me I am a liar truehoncho?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:09 PM GMT
In fact as a dedicated troll,tell us all where ONE single thing I posted has not been borne out?
Report truehoncho November 23, 2020 9:14 PM GMT
I don't care what you are but why try to justify your opinion on who someone you know. Just have an opinion. The fact is that you don't agree with crowds because you think it will spread the virus. Its going to spread anyway, maybe quicker I don't know. You have to have a society to go back to and that includes sports and entertainment. We have spent the best part of a year in restrictions which is a long time in peoples lives. It's time to move on. It hasnt killed any more than flu and now there is a vaccine coming through so why not go racing?? If you are worried about your health just stay in until the vaccine is ready. No need for everyone else to.
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:18 PM GMT
??? Truehoncho? As now going to try and sleep,it is what happens when ill,I may sleep more easy if knowing there are individuals with balls to back up big mouths in England?

I doubt it very much,never mind FACTS?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:20 PM GMT
Must have posted over your typing,but to clarify,only said what I was told,no justification needed,either believe it or not,as always time will tell and you and your ilk will be absent as always?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:22 PM GMT
Hundred of THOUSANDS in UK alone who will perpetuate the virus because they will NOT be vaccinated..........i.e illegals?

GET REAL HONCHO or are you really so STUPID?
Report truehoncho November 23, 2020 9:26 PM GMT
Not sure sure what you mean by absent, and I live in Scotland. Not sure if that is relevant but a bit confused about the previous post. Sleep well!!
Report truehoncho November 23, 2020 9:29 PM GMT
Hundred of THOUSANDS in UK alone who will perpetuate the virus because they will NOT be vaccinated..........i.e illegals?

GET REAL HONCHO or are you really so STUPID?
Deadly killer???What nonesense. It is no more a deadly killer than flu, far less than smoking and alcohol and miles less than cancer. If you really care about saving lives then lets all pay 50% tax until we cure cancer (unless you think the extra money won't help).
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:33 PM GMT
Money has not helped me Honcho,nor my son in law 19/10/19? Common sense will save more lives than any science!!!!

Come back in a few weeks and tell me I was wrong?
Report Ibrahima Sonko November 23, 2020 9:33 PM GMT
I want to go to the Hennessey meeting this week, cant remember the last time i missed this meeting, probably in the 1980's Cry
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:35 PM GMT
So would you give it a miss Ibrahima if you thought it would save just ONE life?
Report glentoby November 23, 2020 9:39 PM GMT
Btw Honcho,how many people do you know who have caught alco/tobacco related diseases simply through an idiots sneeze or cough......ditto cancer?

Moronic,but just my opinion.
Report Ibrahima Sonko November 23, 2020 10:03 PM GMT
Not getting to that argument glen, i could just go on my own. Mischief

I have already been into Newbury racecourse 6 times this month.
Report ItsMeSwaddle November 24, 2020 9:01 AM GMT
Agree no different to going in the supermarket.

Albeit a little less essential.
Report bluesbirds to win November 24, 2020 10:40 AM GMT
it all the young and i am all right jacks who  do not care   most of us  stay at  home  knowing it real  and stay away from pubs  and clubs etc  as once had few  it goes out the window  see u all next year when vaccine kicked in fingers cross  it goes smoothy
Report truehoncho November 24, 2020 12:49 PM GMT
Btw Honcho,how many people do you know who have caught alco/tobacco related diseases simply through an idiots sneeze or cough......ditto cancer?

Moronic,but just my opinion.
  I think you are missing the point Glen (sorry if I was a little dismissive in previous posts). My point isn't about Covid generally (everyone knows what I think about that, its no worse than flu), even if you think it is serious the destruction to society and the economy caused by these restrictions is far worse than the covid itself. You are right, Cancer is not the same but in order to cure/prevent cancer which kills millions in this country every year why don't we all stop going to the pub, going racing, buying football season tickets etc (all things we do for fun) and give all that money to cancer research? That is the same principle and in my opinion would be more effective than the actions we are taking against covid.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 2:47 PM GMT
"Funding for test and trace will increase to £22bn a year"

That's about 1/6th of the entire NHS budget.

44 times the amount spent on cancer research

£733 for every adult in the UK

£7bn MORE than the entire Police budget

Just to keep Glentoby entertained.
Report GAZO November 24, 2020 3:05 PM GMT
do you really believe that
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 3:28 PM GMT
Oh, all right then. 'Just to keep the population terrified'.
Report GAZO November 24, 2020 3:46 PM GMT
do you really believe all that money has gone on test and trace
Report Andrew.in.Sweden November 24, 2020 3:51 PM GMT
Funding for test and trace will increase to £22bn a year

Crazy. Shocked

I had a SARS-CoV rapid antigen test west of München last Thursday. Appointment at 12.15 and result (including certificate for the company) in less than 25 minutes.

Cost was 30.36 euros (paid for by insurance).
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 3:53 PM GMT
Well, Johnson says "it's good value for money," so I hope so. He'd be miffed if he found out it had been wasted on cancer research and treatment.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 3:54 PM GMT
Boris Johnson insists the Government's failing Test and Trace system does provide "value" for money as its total budget soared to £22 billion.

The Prime Minister admitted there had been "teething problems" but defended the eye-watering cost of the centrally-run scheme which has been heavily criticised for its failings.

About four in 10 contacts of those who test positive for the virus are still not being reached, according to the latest figures.

The Prime Minister announced an extra £7 billion for Test and Trace in his winter plan on Monday in a bid to increase testing and improve contact tracing.

It takes the overall funding provided for Test and Trace this financial year to £22 billion.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cost-failing-test-trace-hits-23057520
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 3:59 PM GMT
At £30 a go, Andrew, a budget of £22 billion covers 700 million tests.

In other words, testing everyone in the country ten times.

If the target is to test everyone in the country twice a week in order to grant them FREEDOM passes, then £22 is nowhere near enough.

Better make in £220 billion, just to be on the safe side.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 4:00 PM GMT
* then £22 billion is nowhere near enough.
Report Andrew.in.Sweden November 24, 2020 6:09 PM GMT
Screaming

Interesting numbers, but i guess the logistics of 2 tests a week for every person in UK just isn't going to happen.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 24, 2020 6:45 PM GMT
Operation Moonshot:

The plan then states that there would be “full rollout” in early 2021 to 10 million tests a day, to “enable people to return to and maintain normal life.” At this stage, weekly testing would be made available progressively to the whole population to allow people to go to high risk events by using a “digital passport” to show they have tested negative for the virus.


https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3558

10,000,000 tests a day means that if it starts on 1 January 2021, the whole £22 billion budget will have been blown before Cheltenham.

Or, as the Covi obsessives call it, "maintaining normal life".
Report Andrew.in.Sweden November 24, 2020 6:57 PM GMT
Who am i to argue with our prime minister, he must know what he's doing Laugh
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