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Chris Cook in the Guardian Newspaper.

The Horseracing Bettors Forum (HBF), a voluntary body which represents racing punters’ interests, has urged the British Horseracing Authority to investigate the background to a major gamble at Hexham on Wednesday when Phil Kirby’s Bushypark won a handicap hurdle after being backed from 16-1 to 7-4 favourite, having been beaten by a combined total of nearly 200 lengths on his four previous outings.

Bushypark finished fifth of eight, last of six, 10th of 15 and eighth of 11 on his first four starts, at SPs of 14-1, 20-1, 125-1 and 28-1 respectively. He was at least 20 lengths behind the winner on every occasion.

Kirby both owns and trains Bushypark and his website suggested on Wednesday morning that he was “just hoping he shows some improvement and [is] back in time for the end of evening stables”.

The pre-race betting, however, hinted that a fair measure of expectation was mingled with the hope, as Bushypark was backed from a general 16-1 a few hours before the race to start at 7-4. Thomas Dowson, Bushypark’s jockey, soon settled his mount just behind the lead, went clear of the field after the third flight and did not see another rival for the remainder of the race, eventually winning easily by 11 lengths.

The stewards interviewed Kirby after the race to consider the “apparent improvement in form” shown by the winner. Kirby reported that “the gelding benefited from the softer ground today and the application of a cross-nose band to help [him] settle better, having ran keenly on its previous run” and his explanation was noted. The stewards also confirmed that Bushypark had been subject to a routine dope test.

That may not be the end of the story, however, as HBF regularly flags up gambles to the BHA for further consideration and has added the Ballypark race to the list. The Authority could now decide to ask its integrity department to investigate further, although in accordance with its usual policy, the regulator will neither confirm nor deny that any race or individual is under scrutiny.

Bushypark’s win attracted plenty of interest on social media, with one Twitter user asking: “With British prize money as it is and the handicap system virtually encouraging it, do we have to say ‘fair enough’ to connections wanting to recoup their investment?”

Another, who admitted that he was “grumbling from pocket” having backed the runner-up Golan Cloud, added: “I personally don’t mind gambles when the horse has shown ability and is stepped up in trip or on a different surface but when they’ve literally shown zero ability I think it’s a shame"

Kirby did not respond to a request for comment on Wednesday evening, but the Kirby yard’s Twitter feed tweeted: “Well done Bushypark. He spreadeagles the field in the 3.40 under a great front-running ride from Tommy and Phil delighted to lead him in wearing his colours. An improving horse and one to go chasing in the future. #Winner.”
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Report brians November 19, 2020 9:24 AM GMT
Maybe we should congratulate Lance Armstrong on his coup , winning 7 Tours de France.
Report Storm Alert November 19, 2020 9:28 AM GMT
Other than watching the race out of interest due to massive gamble from early 16/1 to 7/4 (don't think I have ever had a bet at Hexham), I have no interest. It is demoralising to see a horse who has shown zero form in four previous races (three at Hexham) spread-eagle a field like that.

I went back and looked at it's form and I guess winning Irish point form sort indicated it might have some ability on soft ground and it's disappointing form at Hexham in particularly certainly set it up the early price nicely. Will be interesting to see what happens next but suspect he is not a horse to back anytime soon as the handicapper will punish after this. Sadly most of us well and truly missed the boat.
Report brians November 19, 2020 9:33 AM GMT
The commentator said that some might find this “distasteful”.  Good luck to those who saw this shortening and got on but I spend a lot of time defending my sport to my mates who say it is bent . Things like this don't help our sport in the long run.
Report ericster November 19, 2020 9:36 AM GMT
I, personally, can't see the problem. Messrs  Kirby & co certainly had it off here but:

I find it hard to believe that such ability could have been concealed so well for so long, okay there is very likely a very good reason,[a logical explanation even] that only the connections were privy to, for such an upturn in fortunes, what were they supposed to do? Put an ad. in the Racing Post on the day of the race? Swings and roundabouts boys and girls. We all know how it works.

Good f'them I say.
Report brians November 19, 2020 9:45 AM GMT
The problem is not how it won yesterday but what about the people who put good money on it in its last four outings. ?
Report roggrain November 19, 2020 9:52 AM GMT
There's very little chance of proving the reason for 'The apparent improvement in form'.

We see this kind of thing on a daily basis in British racing, especially on the flat.

Run three times in maidens at distances/courses/going/etc to which the horse is totally unsuited

and be sure to not finish anywhere near the front. Get a low handicap mark and then, after a facile

win, tell the stewards that you have no idea why the sudden improvement (nudge nudge wink wink).

The only reason stewards ask the question is to pretend that they are actually protecting the so

called integrity of racing. Handicaps are, in my opinion, the biggest problem for our racing.
Report ribero1 November 19, 2020 9:55 AM GMT
McNallyesque,hopefully they didn't have to take 9/4 like poor Ronan.
Report tanglefoot November 19, 2020 10:10 AM GMT
The commentators  final words were quite fitting “ thanks for coming”
Report the dealer November 19, 2020 10:41 AM GMT
Maybe for fairness, they could investigate the many, many, many gambles that fail. Good luck to him imho, lots can go wrong regardless of how many lbs you have in hand.
Report the dealer November 19, 2020 10:44 AM GMT
On a side note horses aren't machines as the saying goes, not saying this is the case here but they do for many reasons suddenly improve for many reasons. Yes and I do know the application of money will be seen as many, as top of that list lol
Report skiptoomaloumacari November 19, 2020 10:44 AM GMT
Tbh it all looked dodgy yesterday the "easy" lead the most notable aspect..... It was as if all riders were in on it
Report the dealer November 19, 2020 10:45 AM GMT
Sorry that was  pretty poor English
Report the dealer November 19, 2020 10:49 AM GMT
It didn't look dodgy to me to be honest, you think you have the best horse, get it to the front and run them into the ground. The horse on the day was miles better than the opposition.
I just cant have the they were all in it scenario.
Report dave1357 November 19, 2020 11:13 AM GMT
Dealer, they do improve, it is the improvement due to the application of money that is the issue.
Report dave1357 November 19, 2020 11:18 AM GMT
kinross, yesterday suddenly came back to form after a season of poor performances - no one is questioning it as it was a stakes race and there was no significant betting moves.

btw I don't know why trainers don't say that the horse's schooling had improved or some such comment - is it because that would indicate abuse of inside info?
Report ericster November 19, 2020 11:25 AM GMT
Well said the dealer and very well put.
Report The Management November 19, 2020 11:40 AM GMT
Posted this yesterday:

The Management18 Nov 20 19:13Joined: 27 Dec 00 | Topic/replies: 3,660 | Blogger: The Management's blog
I would have thought an enquiry into his runners with a price movement in the opposite direction would be much more revealing (imo)!


I stand by it. Backing one to win is fair enough imo - they still have to win and there is a chance that they might not. The system (handicaps) is set up to make this kind on nonsense the best way to operate. Even if you find it "distasteful" - you can hardly blame the trainer imo.

I feel far more strongly about his runners that look like they have a shout - but move in completely the opposite direction in the betting? I'm sure I'm not the only one that looks at some trainers (this one included) solely because I believe the market will give me a good indication of what is expected (or not). Unfortunately, it's nowhere near as simple as just looking at the graph - but I would much prefer they look into horses that "underperform" when there has been some "pink action" than waste their time looking at "improvers" after there has been some "blue action".

Winning a race of any kind takes some doing - not winning one seems to be incredibly easy.
Report hulk23 November 19, 2020 11:45 AM GMT
Horseracing Bettors Forum (HBF) urging the BHA to put their sherry down & do something.  dream on.
Report Storm Alert November 19, 2020 1:31 PM GMT
Agree with dave1357

The issue is not so much the improved form; that happens. The issue is the money that came clearly indicates that somebody knew it was going run a far better race.

It always looks dodgy to me when money coincides with a sudden massive improvement in form. It suggests it has not been campaigned honestly, which tends to put me off betting on the sport.
Report skiptoomaloumacari November 19, 2020 1:51 PM GMT
would it not be possible for the BHA to bar a horse from running in these circumstances ......i think that would the fairest conclusion for all concerned.....
Report 1st time poster November 19, 2020 1:55 PM GMT
fav travels 100,s of miles for race ,gets to course connections hear race is already run in terms of winner,doubles in price ,jockey jumps of at 2nd hurdle,horse doesnt have a hard race,come back another day,
fantasy, maybe not
Report Twoboyz November 19, 2020 1:59 PM GMT
Jockey Jumps off. Have a word with yourself
Report Gordon63 November 19, 2020 2:00 PM GMT
ould it not be possible for the BHA to bar a horse from running in these circumstances

expecting the BHA to do something in the actual best interests of racing - christmas cracker joke season opens up with a belter!!
Report Tiger Tiger November 19, 2020 2:12 PM GMT
Ffs, its part of horse racing and always will be, its these gambles that help many small stables stay in business.

Bushypark had won a PTP for Shane O'Brien so there was talent there. Once the gamble started there was nothing to stop anyone looking at its for win in PTP and getting involved should they have wished to.

Stop whining, its life and will always be part of horse racing. For each gamble that is successful, there are many that fail.
Report 1st time poster November 19, 2020 2:19 PM GMT
thanks for your thoughts, PHIL
Report hulk23 November 19, 2020 2:21 PM GMT
Jockey Jumps off. Have a word with yourself

After the race, Williams contacted the BHA's security department to lodge a complaint, because he had concerns over the way Gagan had come off the horse. An investigation revealed that Trevaskis had wagered nearly £26,000 to win £7,000 when Kickahead failed to win. Gagan did his part by deliberately falling off the horse.
Report loper November 19, 2020 2:35 PM GMT
It wasn't simply the massive gamble that I wasn't comfortable with, it was the misinformation given out to the general public via his website.

By all means have a punt but don't be dishonest about your expectation  regarding the horse's prospects.

Best not to post anything.
Report 1st time poster November 19, 2020 2:58 PM GMT
someone mentioned one of kirby,s new owner,s louis van pouch,was ramping up the chances of the original fav on a forum
i messaged owner of kirbys most famous horse to see if they had got the nod on an owners vip line or something and they hadnt heard a nything or backed it
Report Cider November 19, 2020 3:02 PM GMT
It's virtually impossible to prove a horse wasn't off, it was unexposed, I'm unsure what possible retrospective action people could legitimately expect. Even on the 'sighter' it was put in the race, and did pull hard.
Report the old nanny ;-) November 19, 2020 3:06 PM GMT
Not too many inquiries when Orses and Dogs drift going off silly prices and run accordingly

was a dog the other night 5-2 early had ran a blinder previous race ,went off at 9s on here

They could not lay enough ,absolutely no good ,nothing said or done , Going on Daily  same on

orses Big drift and beaten after a furlong or jumping 2 fences , appears to be acceptible .

I hope they got a few quid .
Report Twoboyz November 19, 2020 3:12 PM GMT
Hulk. I hear you on that but come on. Do you think if you wanted to jump off you would be keen to do it lining up 5th or 6th in a big field. Ridiculous
Report StillLearning November 19, 2020 3:16 PM GMT

Nov 19, 2020 -- 3:45AM, brians wrote:


The problem is not how it won yesterday but what about the people who put good money on it in its last four outings. ?


judging by its sp's there can't have been many

Report sparrow November 19, 2020 3:26 PM GMT
I suppose as long it was ridden to obtain it's best possible position in the previous outings then apparently no rules were broken.
Report Magic__Daps November 19, 2020 4:12 PM GMT
That may not be the end of the story, however, as HBF regularly flags up gambles to the BHA for further consideration and has added the Ballypark race to the list. The Authority could now decide to ask its integrity department to investigate further, although in accordance with its usual policy, the regulator will neither confirm nor deny that any race or individual is under scrutiny.

Do they add every gamble that gets beat?

Do they flag up all the "overnight gambles" that get slashed by the books which sucks in the mugs thinking it must be the day, only for them to drift like barges the next day?


I am unsure why I even added question marks tbh. The HBF (pretty pointless), giving notes to the BHA (just as pointless), to do what exactly? Maybe if the BHA pulled in some big owners, trainers and jockeys they may gain some sort of respect. Until then they are all on one massive gravy train, and won't do anything individually to jeopardise their own employment.
Report 11kv November 19, 2020 4:37 PM GMT
It's called gambling you either know or are gambling on the outcome.

It still had to jump and win.
Report Whippin Piccadilly November 19, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
This nowhere near as bad as the one involving Cormier from the Bryan Ellison stable. At least there is something in the form for you to at least give it some sort of chance. The form comment for its last run for example:

Took keen hold, chased leader until led after 2nd, headed but close up 5th, ridden and weakened approaching last

Keen going sort but went well for a long way, only weakening out of contention approaching the last.

Looks like they found the key to settle the horse and they had a pop at the ring beforehand.
Report 1st time poster November 19, 2020 4:48 PM GMT
you need go eyes the owner,trainer told those on his website,presumably those he,s trying to steer in the right direction
HE HOPES ITS HOME BY EVENING STABLE, 6hrs before it ran
Report sparrow November 19, 2020 4:52 PM GMT
Nobody wants to answer the "best possible position rule" question I notice.
Report Whippin Piccadilly November 19, 2020 5:16 PM GMT
Well, they tried holding it up for 3 races (I'm assuming they hoped this would settle the horse) they then changed to more positive tactics and the horse only weakened out of it towards the last hurdle. Now, you could ask why didn't they use the cross noseband in its earlier races? But there was definite promise in its last race so it wasn't like it was held up last and pulled up when still going well. Whoops
Report sparrow November 19, 2020 5:24 PM GMT
Well if people are satisfied that the horse was always allowed to do it's best in the previous races then there is no case to answer.
Report grayhawk November 19, 2020 5:25 PM GMT
Disagree Whippin Piccadily.....this was worse than Cormier gamble....Cormier had plausible reasons - it had form in the book off a mark 20lb higher for it's previous stable the season before and every chance if it could be coaxed back to form on it's first flat turf run for the new stable.

Bushypark had no form under rules and a win in 6 runner Irish point ....where the beaten runners have shown the form value of the win to be minimal
Report howard November 19, 2020 5:28 PM GMT
If only they find 3 others like that on the same day. We would call him Barney Kirby.
Report Whippin Piccadilly November 19, 2020 5:29 PM GMT
Stay away from low graded races with embarrassing levels of prize money is probably the lesson to be learned here.
Report elise November 19, 2020 5:38 PM GMT
that's most of sun to fri ruled out then ....
Report howard November 19, 2020 5:39 PM GMT
Like the 2 lowest prize money h'cap hurdles Wincanton today ?   WON 11/10 & WON 10/11  Yeah layers paradiseCrazy
Report onlooker November 19, 2020 6:03 PM GMT
That's a new ONE....

"The application of a crossed-noseband to help him settle[/b]

Will they be having to DECLARE CROSSED-NOSEBANDS in the future  ......

- along with - Blinkers, Visors, TONGUE-STRAPs and Wind Operations ?
Report differentdrum November 19, 2020 6:24 PM GMT
Is the big girl's blouse struggling to find things to fill his column with? As if this is the only example of a dubious winner. What's so special about this example? Perhaps Cook can fill a few pages talking about the history of JP?
Report sparrow November 19, 2020 6:30 PM GMT
What other examples should he have mentioned, different drum?
Report liberator of the oppressed November 19, 2020 6:33 PM GMT
Seem so smug what about restricted accounts who cares if a gamble has been landed if you cannot get on.
Report Whippin Piccadilly November 19, 2020 6:33 PM GMT
Just a general rule Howard, lower grade horses tend to be more inconsistent and such races are open to....well, like the gamble we're talking about here. The original fav in that race for example, you can set your clock by him...to throw in a dud after a win.
Report 1st time poster November 19, 2020 6:38 PM GMT
most gambles from 25,s downwrads ,arnt normaly still trying to shovel it on at 2,s in the heat of the betting 5 mins before the off, and like magic never in doubt for a single yard from the off,
if you were on you,d have been sweating more watching shergar win the derby
Report glentoby November 19, 2020 6:45 PM GMT
If anyone had bothered to study they would have found the 16/1 ridiculous.
Report sparrow November 19, 2020 6:45 PM GMT
Laugh
Report onlooker November 19, 2020 7:15 PM GMT
glentoby Joined: 12 Mar 06

If anyone had bothered to study they would have found the 16/1 ridiculous.
-------------

Of course ............. Should have been 66/1 - not 16/1

The 16/1 was patently a 'defensive' price by the books.... just in case
Report sparrow November 19, 2020 7:24 PM GMT
Onlooker.......Do you think he laid the 16s then?
Report par November 19, 2020 8:20 PM GMT
so do we all think the trainer owned this beast ?
Report cloone river November 19, 2020 10:16 PM GMT
Greyhawk the point to point in Dungravan was a good one if you look at the form in it.If they is a race to look into at Hexham it would be the 1.55.
Report grayhawk November 19, 2020 11:22 PM GMT
Cloone River...i bow to your superior knowledge of Irish PTP form - i know little about it....i'm only going by the future form on ATR which says there's been 11 future runs by the participants in Bushyparks point win...them 11 runs have amounted to six pulled ups, four unplaced runs and a win in another maiden point...only two of them runs came under rules.

IF that is correct then i'd say it's very poor form....apologies if that information is incorrect
Report cloone river November 20, 2020 1:18 AM GMT
Its the horse that finished second that day One more life.Have a look at his too runs before the Dungarvan one.On the 10 nov 19 he was 10 lenghts of Eklat de pire.On the 8 of dec he was ahead of tango echo chartic which is rated 112 now.Bushypark won first time out beating one more life.The last day he ran off 83 with 3 stone up his sleeve.
Report equine flew November 20, 2020 3:01 AM GMT
Cloone River if the horse had so much in hand, why do you think it did not show its true ability in its previous runs?

For me, this is not an issue of why it won on Thursday, more why it ran as it did before. 

Yes, trip and ground, etc are a (slight) factor but ultimately it was not campaigned to win.
Report grayhawk November 20, 2020 10:15 AM GMT
Rightio Cloone River ( thumbs up ) ...as i say i know little about Irish point form
Report loper November 20, 2020 12:04 PM GMT
Regarding my previous point, Kirby says that the application of a crossed noseband made all the difference.

Why then, when he told the general public that he hoped his beast would get home in time for evening feed, did he not mention that they were going to use said noseband?
Report RothmanMike November 20, 2020 2:13 PM GMT
Being economical with the truth is not a crime to my knowledge.
The game is called gambling and anything goes.
No interest in the race but all the signs were there , and the betting told all.
If you chose to ignore the pre-race moves, it is your prerogative, as most get beat.
This one didn’t, so move on.
Report thesportinglife November 20, 2020 8:49 PM GMT
If it was a carefully orchestrated gamble then good luck to them,all this nonsense about it`s previous runs,if owners can`t pull off a gamble here and there then there won`t be many left, bar the Arabs,so what if every punter wasn`t in on the coup,do you really think every horse every day is trying to win every race,the guy who is on the bettors forum saying he is sticking up for the punter is a either disillusioned or not speaking for the majority.
Report the dealer November 20, 2020 9:24 PM GMT
With regards social media, trainers imo are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Saying one will go well and it bombs, they are accused of putting people away.
Saying one might need the run etc and it wins, they are accused of putting people away.
I bet many a trainer wished it was easy as getting one ready, with lbs in hand meant a winner, its simply not true.
Horses in general mature and improve at different ages, giving them time and not pushing them for a few runs must help in their development, imo that doesn't mean they were non tries or didn't race to their best finishing position either.
With regards the bigger prices I doubt they availed themselves with much of the double figure prices, so the 16/1 into 13/8 is a bit misleading.
Report RothmanMike November 20, 2020 10:51 PM GMT
A few sensible posts for a change.
Report cool_hand_luke November 21, 2020 1:02 AM GMT
Well done to all connected in the gamble, there is no one on here wouldn't enjoy being involved in such a well orchestrated coup.

If you lost money your probably on the side pushing for an enquiry, however, have a look at daily racing. When favorites drift more than 15% in the market  they are most probably going to lose. Sprinters regularly miss the break or are unfortunate to have a jockey that just cant get a gap, well until its impossible to win and then run on late. This was the opposite, a trainer/jockey / horse combination that advertised to the world, they were going all out for a race,,,, before winning it.

If you didn't read the market on that then your better off quitting, that was a horse with the handbrake off and advertising it throughout the day, unlike the late drifting favs that you cant get out of.
Report Storm Alert November 21, 2020 8:56 AM GMT
Some good points there luke. I used to regularly take the hint form Martin Pipe, never got the fancy prices but often got on a winner several times in the Imperial Cup.

Still leaves a bad taste in the mouth though given how awful Bushypark rus were in previous three races though when in hindsight obviously not run to his ability when running at least than 30lb below the form showed in impressive win.
Report sparrow November 21, 2020 9:06 AM GMT
It seems the majority of posters here do not agree with "the best possible position" rule and welcome the breaking of it.
Report roggrain November 21, 2020 10:09 AM GMT
That's right sparrow. It's the same reasoning as exists in football and many other walks of life

these days: It's ok to cheat as long as you don't get caught.
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 10:19 AM GMT
those in the no wernt on at 25,20,16,s but got on at 4,3,13 to 8, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh,

hard to no when youve got one right etc,they new they hadnt got it right when it was running 30lb below form in its 3 previous runs
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 10:23 AM GMT
remember the julian wilson interview
anyoine picture julian backing this horse at 4,3,s 13 to 8,when the plebs had availed themselves of 25.s,20,s,16,s LaughLaugh
Report the dealer November 21, 2020 10:52 AM GMT
If your multi smileys are aimed at me, it's a fact that you can get nowt on the night before, it's a fact when bookmakers see a string of bets on the same horse they cut the price after taking peanuts.
If you think they got thousands on at double figure prices you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.
Report the dealer November 21, 2020 11:09 AM GMT
I would also suggest that bookmakers in Wisons day would have laid a bet, is that the same today?

Go dig out the graphs on the Curley coup horses, who is betting those horses at odds on ?
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 11:21 AM GMT
shall i have a tenner on at 25,s or wait till tomorrow and have around 200 on to win the same amount
its toughie but on balance Laugh
Report the dealer November 21, 2020 11:33 AM GMT
Like I said a tenner at that price seems about right, I'm sure all involved will be happy to have won that much.

How clueless can one be ?
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 11:39 AM GMT
point been if the price is going anyway might as well be thoise in the no,s tenner than someone elses,s,
how much do you think kirby,s trying to get on
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 11:41 AM GMT
on all platforms he can get a few 100 on at top prices ,far easier than trying to get a grand on at shortprices close to the off
Report 1st time poster November 21, 2020 11:46 AM GMT
if you no your on a winner 2 stone in hand,clean up all the big prices for small money,can still invest some of your probable winnings at shorter prices
or to put it another way with no betting shops open,how many of those not in the no arte going to back a horse at under 3,s when theyve missed 25,s and dowwards,
Report the dealer November 21, 2020 11:49 AM GMT
A lot more than a thousand pounds that's for sure.

Off to watch the racing, like I said go dig out the graphs on the Curley horses and ask yourself who is betting the horses at odds on.
What % of the betfair market on kirby's horse was on at double figure prices. Me and you would be happy to get a score at 20's, on gambles like this they take what they can get.
Report 1st time poster November 22, 2020 10:26 AM GMT
just heard moorshead on luck ,saying one of the owner,s in kirby,s yard was behind last years RORY MAC coup,can anyone put up any deatails of the rory mac coup to remind us
cheers
Report cloone river November 22, 2020 10:31 AM GMT
No mention from Lee saying that Bushypark had won a p to p first time out.If you google rory mac 1st time poster deatails should show up.
Report 1st time poster November 22, 2020 10:39 AM GMT
CHEERS
Report Lucky Sod November 22, 2020 10:39 AM GMT
https://www.racingpost.com/news/little-rory-mac-punt-tars-us-all-with-same-b...
Report swiftynifty November 22, 2020 8:26 PM GMT
Are we really surprised?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/17/richie-mcgrath-kate-walton-corruption-charges
Report Tiger Tiger November 22, 2020 8:32 PM GMT
ffs, that article is old hat, it was 8 years ago.
Report Tiger Tiger November 22, 2020 8:34 PM GMT
And of course those charges were dropped and all were found innocent of the charges.
Report smirnoff2therescue November 22, 2020 10:36 PM GMT
Why did anyone ever get into gambling........ simply becos of stuff like this

The game is wot it is - nee point crying about it CryCryLaughLaugh
Report stayinin November 30, 2020 2:06 PM GMT
15 pound penalty for that win is laughable the handicapper had the chance to stamp this kind of cheating out but bottled it, the horse should have got 21 pounds at least IMO be interesting to see if its backed again declared to run at Haydock on Wednesday. if I was connections I would keep lining them up for 15 pounds it's well worth it.

Wednesday, 02 December 2020 - 12:10
(Overnight) at Haydock Betfair Exchange Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle (Northern Lights Stayers Series Qualifier) (2m7f)
Report ekbalko November 30, 2020 2:21 PM GMT
Jockey claims 8 pounds of it back.
Report cloone river November 30, 2020 8:45 PM GMT
He is still well in.Look what the Irish handicapper done to dreal deal.
Report boga November 30, 2020 11:01 PM GMT
the gamble paid for the new barn its coming along nicely Cool
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