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Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 4:38 PM GMT
anything being held up on the other side of the hurdle has no bearing on whether the hurdle should be jumped or not ...
Report JBNAY November 15, 2020 4:38 PM GMT
Dharma rain declared the winner.
That’s not right .
Report Captain carnage November 15, 2020 4:38 PM GMT
How did this take longer than 2 minutes to sort out?
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
Jack be nimble, Jack be quick.
Report will23 November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
Dharma!
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
WHat is on the sign being held by the chap on the other side of the hurdle?

there was 2 of them Keef  watch closely 1st 2 seconds of video not sure what was on signs or were they arrows ?
Report Captain carnage November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
Never been a more straightforward case.
Report 1st time poster November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT
tudor wins it
should be made to drive noddy,s car and continually beep his horn so no one crosses the rd in front of  him, LaughLaugh
Report wondersobright November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT

Nov 15, 2020 -- 5:38PM, JBNAY wrote:


Dharma rain declared the winner.That’s not right .


just read mine, hulk & jjlambe posts to educate yourself

Report wondersobright November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT

Nov 15, 2020 -- 5:39PM, Captain carnage wrote:


Never been a more straightforward case.


correct

Report Keefter November 15, 2020 4:39 PM GMT

Nov 15, 2020 -- 5:39PM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:


WHat is on the sign being held by the chap on the other side of the hurdle?there was 2 of them Keef

Report sixtwosix November 15, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
Can only be the groundstaff's fault. You cannot blame the jockeys for going around with 3 blokes on the other side of the hurdle.

How on earth did the idiots call a result without an enquiry , beyond stupid.
Report elise November 15, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
well that's the right call on this one, well done to the lad for not following the pack
Report 1st time poster November 15, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
hammond not getting an ironice email about dead heat LaughLaugh
Report JJmbe November 15, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
Rules enforced correctly, half of those jocks had time to choose whether to jump or not, just watch the fav take evasive action to just get round it in time,
Report geoff m November 15, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
emailer should it have been a dead heat between 1 that went round and DharmaLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report wondersobright November 15, 2020 4:41 PM GMT
tickled me geoff Grin
Report sixtwosix November 15, 2020 4:41 PM GMT
Amended result , the 'winner' was the last one to choose not to jump it .
Report Poppydog. November 15, 2020 4:42 PM GMT
Jockeys surely can't face any punishment.

Otherwise from now on, just jump the obstacles and plow into anyone on the other side.
Report 1st time poster November 15, 2020 4:42 PM GMT
were there 2 horses on ground one horse and jock are 50yds behind flags 200 yds behind hurdle,was there another one on the ground,or were groundstaff trying to protect themselves and there was no stricken horse ,jockey on ground
Report JBNAY November 15, 2020 4:42 PM GMT
Thanks wonder Wink
Report geoff m November 15, 2020 4:43 PM GMT
fair play to Tudor. Easy to follow the crowd like sheep.
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 4:43 PM GMT
Well done to those who backed Jack and well done to those who laid everything else.
Report sadlers November 15, 2020 4:43 PM GMT
Never been a fan of Johnson the commentator,but hats off to him for letting people know what had happened.
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 4:43 PM GMT
could've put screens up round the stricken horse and waved the field round it after they'd jumped the hurdle, had a furlong to play with after they'd landed ...
Report mecca November 15, 2020 4:44 PM GMT
Hindsight, of course ............ but the commentator was basically telling us all to take all the free money on offer (i didn't)
Report elise November 15, 2020 4:45 PM GMT
plenty of people prob had him on mute he's normally shouting so much
Report sadlers November 15, 2020 4:45 PM GMT
Everybody that backed it on the strength of his comments should send him a drink.
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
would he have sent them drinks if it didn't get the race ?
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 4:47 PM GMT
fair play to Tudor. Easy to follow the crowd like sheep.

Yes well done DICK TURPIN alive and kicking
Report 1st time poster November 15, 2020 4:47 PM GMT
is the stricken horse the one been held by jockey 100 yds behind grounmdstaff and 200 yds behind hurdle,or was there another on the ground
Report Darlo Bantam November 15, 2020 4:48 PM GMT
Checkered flag means avoid a fence.

There was no fence immediately after the flags.

Can you really blame the jockeys for getting it wrong?

Then again same happened at Sedgefield when the wrong flag was raised and jockeys took the blame.
Report StillLearning November 15, 2020 4:48 PM GMT
anyway back to reality...Tiger has just had a 10 (TEN) on the par 3 12th at augusta
Report elise November 15, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
he's been deemed to have ridden to the rules and the rest didn't, should imagine trainer and connections are delighted he had the sense to act
Report 1st time poster November 15, 2020 4:50 PM GMT
shame for tiger only player in world tv follow when 20 shots behind with 6 to play, LaughLaugh
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 4:50 PM GMT
Can I just check - after all that, was there only one official finisher? Just interested to know how they'll settle the place market.
Report elise November 15, 2020 4:51 PM GMT
yes ev all dq'd
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND November 15, 2020 4:52 PM GMT
Win market not settled yet?
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 4:52 PM GMT
been fun and games if a Pished up crowd at the course Laugh

Been a foookin riot Grin
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 4:55 PM GMT
Win market not settled yet?

trumps not happy ..
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 4:55 PM GMT
3. Dharma Rain
100/30
7. Just Henny
11/1
6. Havacuppa
3/1
9 ran NR: Furia D'Oudairies (unsuitable ground) Distances: ½l, 2¼l, shd Time: 5m 22.45s (slow by 48.45s) Unplaced Fav: Kentford Mallard 9/4F  Total SP: 116%
Winning jockey: Jack Tudor
Winning trainer: Clare Hobson
3:50

Wheres the other 2 who placed come from ?
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 4:55 PM GMT
I thought that Elise but place market showing Henry second and Cuppa third on SL websiteConfused.
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 4:56 PM GMT
Yes Nanny - how can you place if you did not complete?
Report N-east Correspondent November 15, 2020 4:56 PM GMT
market settled - got a bit lucky there Plain
Report JJmbe November 15, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
Seem to be making the rules up as they go along.
Report elise November 15, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
they've paid it correctly on here (as in places)
Report jamee1 November 15, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
Betfair have settled only one winner in the place markets, as you would expect.
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 4:59 PM GMT
Foookin madness  Laugh
Report jamee1 November 15, 2020 4:59 PM GMT
Just Sporting Life slow to update their results page correctly I guess?
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 5:00 PM GMT
Seem to be making the rules up as they go along.

disagree.
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 5:00 PM GMT
Bloke does POST Results on avacuppa place imo Laugh
Report eightbo November 15, 2020 5:00 PM GMT
happy days. thanks again to commentator.
Report Angela Rebecchi November 15, 2020 5:01 PM GMT
Market would have been juicier if the commentator said the wrong thing and said they were supposed to leave that fence. Carnage would have ensued.
Report JJmbe November 15, 2020 5:01 PM GMT
Who's second in your opinion hulk
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 5:01 PM GMT
everything else was dq'd.
Report JJmbe November 15, 2020 5:02 PM GMT
correct, no idea what your on about
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 5:02 PM GMT
In touch with leaders, went third after 7th, bumped when took wrong route 3 out, ridden to lead after 2 out, kept on well run-in, ridden out, disqualified (op 8/1 tchd 15/2)
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 5:03 PM GMT
Rules followed and Correct , but IMO fontwell have made a complete horlicks of it , using rules to cover their incompetence , as stated lucky no crowd present may have been a riot .
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND November 15, 2020 5:03 PM GMT
Did the Reslt to stand betting open on this rac..................out of interest?
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 5:03 PM GMT
Good stuff Elise and jamee.
Report JJmbe November 15, 2020 5:04 PM GMT
see post above, My makes the rules up as they go along as to what i'm referring to .
Report elise November 15, 2020 5:05 PM GMT
bha site has crashed lol
Report eightbo November 15, 2020 5:05 PM GMT
Shame mkt not reopoend after finish. Could've made another day's profit given it took an hour...
Report chavman November 15, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
wgaf....thats the result,all by the rules....move on..
Report sparrow November 15, 2020 5:09 PM GMT
3.50 2m. 3f. 49yds. (Class 5) 3-y-o plus9 Ran
´From The Horse´s Mouth Podcast´ Mares´ Handicap Hurdle of £5,844.00 3-y-o plus

1st - £2,794.00, 2nd - £820.00, 3rd - £410.00, 4th - £350.00, 5th - £350.00, 6th - £350.00 , 7th - £350.00, 8th - £350.00 9 Ran
(disq) placed 2nd
silks
Just Henny (GB) 6, b m 10-8 (Abbott & Bunch)
ts5 Rated 82
Midnight Legend (GB) - Exchanging Glances (GB)(Diktat (GB))
Breeder - Mrs J. Way

(Morning price: 10/1 8/1 15/2 7/1 15/2 8/1 6/1 7/1 15/2 8/1 10/1)
(Ring price: 8/1 15/2 8/1 17/2 9/1 10/1 11/1) SP 11/1
Neil Mulholland
Harry Reed(3)
midfield, took wrong route 3 out, headway from 2 out to lead before last, passed post in 1st, disqualified
30th Oct, 20 Uttoxeter
7th Hdl This
Race
(disq) placed 3rd
2.25L
silks
Havacuppa (GB) 6, b m 10-13 (Mr D V Gardner)
Rated 84
Dream Eater (IRE) - Darjeeling (IRE)(Presenting (GB))
Breeder - D. V. Gardner Woodhayes Stud

(Morning price: 9/4 2/1 9/4 2/1 9/4 5/2 11/4 3/1 10/3 7/2 4/1 5/2 3/1 7/2 3/1)
(Ring price: 7/2 10/3 3/1 16/5 3/1 11/4 3/1 11/4 3/1) SP 3/1
Mrs S Gardner
Lucy Gardner
tracked leaders, disputing second when took wrong route 3 out, passed post in 2nd, disqualified
14th Mar, 20 Uttoxeter
1st Hcp Hdl Rated 76 This
Race
(disq) placed 4th
shd
silks
Kalaya (IRE) 4, b f 11-1 (Mr David Gibbons)
cp1 Rated 86
Thewayyouare (USA) - Kalabaya (IRE)(Sinndar (IRE))
Breeder - His Highness The Aga Khan's Studs S.C.

(Morning price: 28/1 33/1 28/1 25/1 18/1 16/1 18/1 22/1 25/1)
(Ring price: 22/1 25/1 28/1 25/1 28/1 25/1 28/1 25/1 28/1) SP 28/1
F J Brennan
Brendan Powell
disputed lead early, led when took wrong route 3 out, led 2 out, headed before last, passed post in 3rd, disqualified
19th Oct, 20 Plumpton
p.u. Hcp Hdl Rated 92 This
Race
(disq) placed 5th
4.5L
silks
Kentford Mallard (GB) 7, b m 11-12 (Mr D I Bare)
cp2 Rated 97
Sulamani (IRE) - Kentford Grebe (GB)(Teenoso (USA))
Breeder - D. I. Bare

(Morning price: 5/2 11/4 3/1 10/3 4/1 9/2 5/1 11/2 7/2 10/3 7/2 9/4)
(Ring price: 7/2 4/1 7/2 10/3 3/1 11/4 5/2 9/4) SP 9/4fav
J W Mullins
Jeremiah McGrath
in rear, headway into midfield when took wrong route 3 out, passed post in 4th, disqualified
27th Oct, 20 Chepstow
2nd Hcp Hdl Rated 96 This
Race
(disq) placed 6th
16L
silks
Queen Among Kings (IRE) 6, b m 11-0 (Surefire Racing)
Rated 85
Sans Frontieres (IRE) - Miss Legend (IRE)(Lend A Hand (GB))
Breeder - Thomas Keating

(Morning price: 28/1 25/1 18/1 16/1 14/1 10/1 11/1 10/1 9/1 8/1 13/2 7/1 15/2 8/1 15/2 10/1)
(Ring price: 8/1 15/2 7/1 15/2 8/1 17/2 8/1 17/2 8/1 17/2 10/1) SP 10/1
Miss Z Davison
Miss P Fuller
held up, in rear when took wrong route 3 out, passed post in 5th, disqualified
2nd Nov, 20 Plumpton
6th Hcp Hdl Rated 90 This
Race
(disq) placed 7th
7L
silks
Lucky Circle (GB) 4, b f 10-4 (Miss Laura Hurley)
Rated 80
Yorgunnabelucky (USA) - Circle Of Angels (GB)(Royal Applause (GB))
Breeder - R. S. Brookhouse

(Morning price: 40/1 50/1 66/1 40/1 22/1 25/1 22/1 20/1 25/1 28/1 80/1)
(Ring price: 28/1 33/1 40/1 50/1 66/1 80/1 100/1) SP 100/1
Miss L Hurley
Miss T Worsley(5)
midfield, took wrong route 3 out, headway before 2 out, weakened before last, passed post in 6th, disqualified
6th Feb, 20 Doncaster
13th Hcp Hdl Rated 85 This
Race
1st
0.5L
silks
Dharma Rain (IRE) 5, b m 11-1 (Mr Barry White)
ts7cp5 Rated 91
High Chaparral (IRE) - Crazy Volume (IRE)(Machiavellian (USA))
Breeder - Lynch Bages Ltd & Camas Park Stud

(Morning price: 13/2 6/1 11/2 6/1 11/2 5/1 11/2 6/1 13/2 7/1 13/2 6/1 4/1 7/2 4/1 7/2 10/3)
(Ring price: 10/3 16/5 3/1 16/5 3/1 16/5 10/3 16/5 10/3 16/5 3/1 10/3) SP 10/3
Miss C Hobson
Jack Tudor(5)
Tote Win £4.34
in rear, jumped 3 out in last but was only runner to take correct route, passed post in 7th, awarded race (no winning time due to disqualifications)
14th Mar, 20 Fontwell
3rd Hcp Hdl Rated 91 This
Race
(disq) placed 9th
29L
silks
Remember Me Well (IRE) 7, b m 9-7 (Pink Birds)
Rated 59
Doyen (IRE) - Creidim (IRE)(Erins Isle)
Breeder - Mrs R. Moran

(Morning price: 80/1 100/1 80/1 100/1 66/1 50/1 33/1 22/1 25/1 20/1 18/1 16/1 18/1 33/1)
(Ring price: 18/1 20/1 22/1 20/1 22/1 20/1 22/1 25/1 33/1) SP 33/1
R Rowe
N F Houlihan(7)
disputed lead early, lost position before 6th, midfield when took wrong route 3 out, passed post in 8th, disqualified
22nd Oct, 20 Lingfield
11th Hcp Chs Rated 62 This
Race
p.u.
silks
Bluebell Sally (IRE) 9, b m 9-11 (Riverdance Consortium 3)
ts5 Rated 69
Shantou (USA) - Princess Nina (IRE)(King's Theatre (IRE))
Breeder - Aidan Aherne

(Morning price: 28/1 25/1 20/1 18/1 16/1 12/1 14/1 12/1 10/1 9/1 7/1 6/1 11/2 6/1 11/2 6/1 8/1)
(Ring price: 6/1 13/2 7/1 15/2 8/1 15/2) SP 15/2
C J Gray
Mr Sean Houlihan(3)
tracked leaders, pulled up after 4th
15th Oct, 20 Wincanton
6th Hcp Chs Rated 69 This
Race
Off 3.50
CSF- £44.62
Tricast- £915.19.

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Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 5:09 PM GMT
be taking dharma on if it goes up in the h'cap as a result of that win ...
Report sageform November 15, 2020 5:36 PM GMT
It was not the rules that were at issue but there had to be a point where the Clerk gave instructions for the flight to be dolled off and his staff were slow in carrying out the instruction. A few seconds earlier and the arrows would have been in place and any jockey jumping it would have been dq and banned.
Report 11kv November 15, 2020 5:44 PM GMT
won by 1/2 length pmsl
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 5:47 PM GMT
Looking at Sparrow's post above, why have all the horses been pushed down a place? Surely it's just DHARMA RAIN - that's it. How can you be placed in a race which you did not officially complete?
Report ashleigh November 15, 2020 5:50 PM GMT
no penalties imposed on any rider.Grin
Report jamee1 November 15, 2020 5:57 PM GMT
The tote have settled it correctly. Dharma the only finisher and tote place paid more than the win. £4.60 to place vs £4.34 to win.
Report tonyb50 November 15, 2020 5:58 PM GMT
top shout to the commentator who called it straight away and echoed it several times for all the in running punters
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 6:02 PM GMT
Exactly Jamee. I understand from this thread that BF have only settled one horse in the place market which is the correct decision.
Report 1830 November 15, 2020 6:07 PM GMT
As of yet, Iv had no money returned to my account in the place market, having backed a DQ Horse.
Anybody else?
Report EvgenyKissin November 15, 2020 6:17 PM GMT
The only people who should be paid in the place market are those who backed DHARMA RAIN or laid any of the disqualified horses.
Report jamee1 November 15, 2020 6:19 PM GMT

Nov 15, 2020 -- 7:07PM, 1830 wrote:


As of yet, Iv had no money returned to my account in the place market, having backed a DQ Horse.Anybody else?


It will be a loser I'm afraid.

Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 15, 2020 6:53 PM GMT
wd lads..all the armchair experts copped the lot on the fav at 20/1..

wd.
Report no-won-sun November 15, 2020 6:55 PM GMT
Should the jockeys who failed to jump the hurdle be disqualified. I think they have to be, regardless of the outcome of the race.
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 6:56 PM GMT
fav was Kentford Mallard (9/4).  hth.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 15, 2020 6:56 PM GMT
no sh!t sherlock.
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 10:22 PM GMT
Think Jockeys took the safe option , 2 nutters with Signs on course and Injured horse ,Then man with Gran Prix flag arrive after they gone by , Shambolic from Fontwell regardless of Rules ,
no wonder no action taken against Jockeys ..

Any one on winner pre-race will need to be doing the lottery this week .
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 10:29 PM GMT
After hearing evidence from each rider involved, the BHA announced that the disqualified jockeys would face no further punishment for taking the wrong course.

This was due to the genuine cause for concern created by the unfortunate positioning of the racecourse staff who were carrying the arrows across the track just as the field was approaching the third-last hurdle.

The BHA's official stewards' report stated: "Taking into account, on this occasion; the poor visibility, and the illusion that the chevrons had been placed in the hurdle – which was caused by the
chevrons being carried across the course behind the hurdle, which gave riders’ cause for concern for the safety of all involved – no penalties were imposed on any rider."
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 10:31 PM GMT
Anyone lost money has been robbed imo , Regardless of Rule
Report the old nanny ;-) November 15, 2020 10:33 PM GMT
Look Like RP not happy with outcome

"From The Horse's Mouth Podcast" Mares' Handicap Hurdle
2m3f, Class 5, £4,024.80
Going: Heavy
7. Just Henny
11/1
6. Havacuppa
3/1
4. Kalaya
28/1

Laugh result they have up now
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 15, 2020 10:37 PM GMT
they gave a tailed off horse the race that was halted becos of a misconstrued safety misunderstanding..

absolutely ridic..could have voided race and no complaints.
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 10:40 PM GMT
sky racing can close ride of the month for november ... the difference between winning and not getting plaiced, had about one second to decide
Report Wesdag November 15, 2020 10:56 PM GMT
The fact the jockeys who took the wrong course didn't get a ban tells you everything you need to know: the ground staff messed up.

Voiding the race would've made more sense.
Report gambeano November 15, 2020 10:57 PM GMT
Some days you get unexpectedly lucky; other days you feel like you've been completely shafted Plain

I have to admit I was extremely lucky today, as a buyer of Fontwell "99 Distances" on the spreads. The maximum make-up of 99 for the final race made a grand total of 192. The trade was already well ahead prior to the last race, so I just let it run.

Believe me, I've been on the wrong side of several 'results' over the years (to much bigger stakes) and I feel the pain of anyone who has lost due to this race today.

I finished the day marginally up, but only due to this result Crazy
Report Alices November 15, 2020 11:00 PM GMT
Is it a coincidence that this race and the fiasco at Sandown were the last race of the day in bad light.
Report pablo-fanque November 15, 2020 11:02 PM GMT
no need to void the race as 1 horse took the correct course .

if it was the other way around where 1 horse took the wrong course and they voided the race would that have been any different
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 15, 2020 11:03 PM GMT
distance betting..guessing at its finest.
Report gambeano November 15, 2020 11:07 PM GMT
Not always, when you have enough data.
Report hulk23 November 15, 2020 11:11 PM GMT
anythings guessing for rico unless he's already seen it happening, don't be offended its how he rolls ...
Report Larabrown November 16, 2020 10:03 AM GMT
Pocket talking losers v those who were quick and shrewd enough to take the free money. I know which side I want to be on.
Report GLASGOWCALLING November 16, 2020 10:31 AM GMT
Morning Lara / Fifi.

Report the old nanny ;-) November 16, 2020 2:44 PM GMT
Keyword in Laras post "WANT" nice to see an honest poster
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2020 9:37 PM GMT
free money? noone had a clue what was happening..walofs
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2020 9:38 PM GMT
gambeano 16 Nov 20 00:07 
Not always, when you have enough data.

does the data tell you when 1 finishes? does the data know whwn a jockey rides out or eases up? another walofs
Report gambeano November 16, 2020 10:27 PM GMT
To be honest, I'd say "when a jockey rides out or eases up" is alofs as a statistical measure Laugh
How on earth would you quantify it in a data file? 0=Winner ridden out, 1 = winner eased up?
And what about if the second place jockey eases up whilst the leader rides out?

I'm not looking at individual race markets; I'm looking at a meeting as a whole, so a collection of 6-8 races (and now 9 or sometimes 10 races per card since Covid-19 came along).

I have plenty of data and criteria to work with and if you think it's alofs, that's fine by me, each to their ownCool
Report sageform November 17, 2020 8:40 AM GMT
It turned out to be free money for anyone who believed that the stewards would apply the rules literally. I suppose that history has been on their side in the past but in recent years there has been the occasional outbreak of common sense in similar situations. I wonder what the result would have been if the "winner" had followed the other horses round the hurdle or pulled up?
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