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Report Brave dancer October 18, 2020 7:04 PM BST
250/1. Seems good odds to me...
Report GEORGE.B October 18, 2020 8:14 PM BST
here you go chav, something to make you laugh

https://twitter.com/GeoffNorcott/status/1317074221017726977
Report chavman October 18, 2020 8:32 PM BST
Grinnot bad...pretty much the way the whole countrys thinking george
Report Larabrown October 18, 2020 9:22 PM BST
Only "pretty much"? Surely worth every single person thinks this way. The Betfair forum leading the fight back.
Report salmon spray October 18, 2020 11:19 PM BST
Personally I want a lockdown of Chinese proportions.
Report GEORGE.B October 18, 2020 11:25 PM BST
why?
Report GEORGE.B October 18, 2020 11:30 PM BST
but before you answer that, cuz this is important, how long do you want this lockdown of "Chinese proportions" to be for?
Report salmon spray October 18, 2020 11:33 PM BST
Until we reach the same position as New Zealand.
Report GEORGE.B October 18, 2020 11:35 PM BST
but the people who produce your food and work in shops, I bet you still want them to go out though?
Report GEORGE.B October 18, 2020 11:36 PM BST
* and put themselves at risk
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 12:29 AM BST
I wonder how old salmon is. That would be interesting,
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 12:30 AM BST
Since what he wants would ruin the futures of hundreds of thousands( or more) of young people.
Report driver2 October 19, 2020 1:42 AM BST
Unfortunately hundreds of thousands(or more) young people are ruining their own future.
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 8:21 AM BST
Mate of mine's eldest daughter got sent home from school last week because a lad she sits near in class had tested positive.  School said she needed to be tested and (per guidance online) the rest of the family should self-isolate for 14 days or until a negative test result is presented.  So he collects his twin daughters from school and they all go home to arrange a test for his eldest.  Except they won't test her because she's asymptomatic.  So she now has to self-isolate for 14 days but the rest of the family is free to go about its everyday duties!  The whole thing is a joke!  Do it properly or don't do it at all!
Report sparrow October 19, 2020 8:55 AM BST
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Until we reach the same position as New Zealand.




Don't mention New Zealand to these people, salmon.
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 9:15 AM BST
Comparing the UK to New Zealand is plainly ridiculous. Surely you can see that.
Report sparrow October 19, 2020 9:34 AM BST
No you certainly cannot compare the restrictions New Zealand put in place with those of the UK.
Report jackdaw October 19, 2020 10:02 AM BST
I was so concerned about a further lockdown that I downloaded 'Everybody wants to rule the World' from Spotify. Yes, I've got Tier 4 fears.
Report i_agree_with_nick October 19, 2020 10:14 AM BST
It's a mad world.
Report elise October 19, 2020 10:15 AM BST
just shout, let it all out
Report Dr Crippen October 19, 2020 10:31 AM BST
We could do a running commentary on flu deaths during a normal year and whip up the kind of fear they've created here.
And New Zealand's Covid isolation is impossible for the UK.

What we can do is get to the position of normality that many Far East countries are now enjoying.
That will come when the virus has to run its course.

Meanwhile we continue to self-destruct, fighting a battle that we can't win.
Report punts October 19, 2020 10:38 AM BST
Lets shut everything down and live like cavemen!
Report driver2 October 19, 2020 10:58 AM BST
So we let the virus run its course Dr Crippin, lets say that half the population gets it, which I reckon is a conservative estimate, if we don't take the necessary precautions. How many will die? a million maybe and how many will die of other issues while waiting for a hospital bed? It's unimaginable and if you don't see that we can't let this happen then more fool you.
I live in one of the Far East countries that you're talking about and the 1st thing that I can tell you is don't trust any information coming out of Asia. They tell us that we're virtually virus free here in Thailand and yet several Thais traveling to Korea, I think it was,recently tested positive on arrival. There is very little testing here and I would imagine that most respiratory related deaths don't have Covid-19 written on the death certificate.
Unfortunately the UK with it's buffoon of a PM didn't act soon enough and didn't follow China's example of complete lock down and now have to pay the price and the Buffoon is still dithering.
Report GEORGE.B October 19, 2020 11:10 AM BST
CONTRADICTION ALERT!

"I live in one of the Far East countries that you're talking about and the 1st thing that I can tell you is don't trust any information coming out of Asia"

"Unfortunately the UK with it's buffoon of a PM didn't act soon enough and didn't follow China's example of complete lock down"

So driver2, we're not trusting any information that comes out of Asia, but we're trusting what the Chinese tell us?
Report Dr Crippen October 19, 2020 11:19 AM BST
''So we let the virus run its course Dr Crippin''

It's running its course anyway, all we're doing is to slow it down and prolong it.


Okay driver2, anybody can speculate the number of potential deaths.
So let's look back at previous pandemics, the great pandemic of 1918 in the UK didn't kill anywhere near the numbers you mention.

Same with the one in 1957 and the one in 1968.

It's remarkable the state of hysteria they've managed to whip up over this virus, which hardly affects most of the population.

The deaths caused by severely limiting the NHS, and other problems caused by harsh measures are predicted to result in more deaths than by Covid19.
Report acey deucy October 19, 2020 11:23 AM BST
I would put Salmon in the vulernable group....Late 70s.Plain
Report Dr Crippen October 19, 2020 11:30 AM BST
People like SS should take particular care, and keep his distance from other people.
Report The Pies October 19, 2020 11:49 AM BST
16752 people got the flu yesterday, 67 died

I think the 67 deaths were from people who tested positive in the last 28 days so probably none of those who tested positive yesterday died then. It's not all about deaths many people recover but after lengthy spells in hospital.

The deaths caused by severely limiting the NHS, and other problems caused by harsh measures are predicted to result in more deaths than by Covid19.


Does this mean that if there were no restrictions then the NHS would be able to treat more non-Covid cases on top of the increased numbers of Covid cases?
Report driver2 October 19, 2020 12:12 PM BST
GEORGE B, we had photographic evidence from satellites that China locked down certain cities, otherwise no, I would not have taken their word for it.

Dr Crippin, I'm glad you mentioned 1918, this is what happens when you don't try or are unable to control a virus, not dissimilar to Covid.
The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people – about a third of the world's population at the time – in four successive waves.
Disease: Influenza
Date: February 1918 – April 1920
Deaths: 17–100 million (estimates)
Virus strain: Strains of A/H1N1
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 12:13 PM BST
I don't always happen to see eye to eye with Dr Crippen, but on this issue I do.  All we are doing is prolonging the agony.

I was speaking to someone who works at a doctors surgery on Friday, and while they have had many deaths on their books from COVID, not one has been a person with no comorbidity.  At the same time, they are seeing a HUGE increase in the numbers of people reporting mental health issues - in fact, that is ALL they are hearing about.  The average age for people dying from COVID-19 in the UK is 82.
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 12:26 PM BST
People are forgetting we had a lockdown in the Spring for 6 or 7 weeks. How much longer do they think we should have done it for or how many times repeat something that failed.
Report salmon spray October 19, 2020 12:38 PM BST
Iam 23. Hth.
Report sparrow October 19, 2020 12:40 PM BST
Donald Trump is 24.
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 12:49 PM BST
You were gambling at a very young age.
Report Dr Crippen October 19, 2020 12:51 PM BST
Around his neck.
Report 11kv October 19, 2020 1:00 PM BST
The Welsh are locked down.
Report GEORGE.B October 19, 2020 1:27 PM BST
GEORGE B, we had photographic evidence from satellites that China locked down certain cities, otherwise no, I would not have taken their word for it.

driver2, I don't dispute that people were placed house arrest in China, my point was that you're telling us not " trust any information coming out of Asia", but at the same time asking us to believe that a lockdown worked in China  because the Chinese have told us it did. You have contradicted yourself.
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 1:32 PM BST
When China did start to unlock, they were temperature checking everywhere.  This is what I mean about us half-arsing it.  Testing is being half arsed, track and trace has had some epic fail moments already.  Either do it properly, or don't do it at all.
Report lead on October 19, 2020 1:42 PM BST
Truly shocked that The Donald's IQ is a point higher than SS's!
Report Dr Crippen October 19, 2020 2:13 PM BST
China is a big country to scan, and did they just lock down on the hotspots?

Did the lockdowns work, or had the virus peaked before the lockdown had time to make any difference?
So where is China's second wave of increased cases like in Europe?

Same situation exists with the rest of the countries in the region.
What might explain a lot, is that we're looking at a lot of people who are a far healthier than us in the West.
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 2:19 PM BST
China claims that any secondary spikes (and that's all they've allegedly been) have been from 'imported' COVID, ie people returning from other countries.  Because they've been screening on arrival, they've been able to nip it in the bud.  We are incapable of doing any of it properly, seemingly.
Report chavman October 19, 2020 2:51 PM BST
The Welsh should be locked up,not down
Report Magic__Daps October 19, 2020 4:01 PM BST
driver219 Oct 20 10:58
So we let the virus run its course Dr Crippin, lets say that half the population gets it, which I reckon is a conservative estimate, if we don't take the necessary precautions. How many will die? a million maybe and how many will die of other issues while waiting for a hospital bed? It's unimaginable and if you don't see that we can't let this happen then more fool you


A Doctor on a program a couple of days ago estimated over 10% of the population has had it, so say around 7 million. Out of that we have 44k deaths, so around 0.6%. So if 35 million caught it then the total deaths would be around a 5th of what you quoted wouldn't it, unless I am mistaken? The issue for me is we are now gradually ruining everyone, through restrictions, lockdowns, business closures etc. We should be concentrating on shielding the elderly and the vulnerable imo and let the rest get on with with their lives if they choose to, when you look at the minimal figures of the under 60s who actually die or have longer term illness from the virus.

Many people now have missed cancer treatments and appointments, a mate of mine who had a heart attack a year ago cannot see a specialist for 6 months due to this virus. There will be many more (imo) deaths of people under the age of 60 through other illnesses by non treatment or missed appointments rather than Covid getting them. That is before you add in the mental health issues and the suicides which will be on there way in the near future because people will have no money, jobs or prospects.
Report dave1357 October 19, 2020 4:07 PM BST
The "doctor" I assume did not produce anti-body studies to confirm his "reckoning"?
Report Storm Alert October 19, 2020 4:32 PM BST
It's too simplistic to assume under 60s who actually die or have longer term illness from the virus is minimal. There are deaths at all ages and every death is catastrophic for the individual (and family). It will be impossible to restrict contagion to specific age groups, it is bound to permeate. How could an asymptomatic child have no contact with a parent or grandparent whilst unknowingly contagious for example?

Also nobody knows for certain the long term debilitating effects of Covid-19 (respiration, Cardiovascular, Stroke, Renal, Nerve, the list is huge) and the younger an individual is the the longer that individual will have to live with potential issues.

If 35 million caught Covid-19 the death number would be horrendous as the NHS would be overwhelmed and unable to treat the vast majority of seriously ill patients (for 35M I'm estimating 150k seriously ill needing Intensive Care). The number of IC beds is very low and I believe total beds hospital beds is less than 50k and not all of them can be requisitioned for Covid-19.
Report Magic__Daps October 19, 2020 4:33 PM BST
So we are not to believe one Doctors estimate and opinion, but have to listen and believe the next one, or just the ones you want to believe?

Did Mr Starmer produce a shed load of evidence based data whilst he nailed himself to the ridiculous "circuit breaker" mast - or did he just believe someone else himself?
Report dave1357 October 19, 2020 4:39 PM BST
So that would be a "no" then.

And nice whataboutery.

^^ it is also worth noting that 25% of the population have high blood pressure.
Report JetLoneStar October 19, 2020 4:58 PM BST
Would have thought on a gambling forum people would consider the risk and reward of whatever strategy put in place. Nobody seems to be mentioning the deaths that the destruction of the economy will bring, not to mention the deaths due to cancer / heart disease / stroke etc due to not being able to get an appointment or from the fear of going to a hospital risking catching covid (thanks for that MSM), dont want to sound callous but Id imagine that not only will this cause more death misery but it will be doing it to people who havent already lived a large chunk of their expected life. I wouldnt mind but the majority of the "at risk" group that I talk to cant stand whats happening, they dont want to spend their twilight years isolated, most of them would rather take their chances.

Not that any of this discussion matters really, leaders worldwide all following the same script - as expected, just like in politics, they've created a divide between alot of us - promask / nomask, lockdown bedwetter / granny killer. Whilst we continue pointlessly arguing (its pretty clear the public have no say on where this leads), bit by bit our freedoms and liberties are being chipped away, anyone who thinks a government will willingly relinquish such powers that they've given themselves is deluded, this is just the beginning imo, China-style regime in a year or so.
Report Kriskin October 19, 2020 5:34 PM BST
We need to learn to live with this virus.  As stated 99% of the population do not suffer much from this virus.  Lockdown after lockdown is NOT dealing with the root cause.  We are being pedalled the same info from what the media & governments want us to believe.  Why is it that the scientists who do not agree with SAGE & NPHET never have a voice.
Report duffy October 19, 2020 5:36 PM BST
How do you propose dealing with hospitals filling up clogging up all the beds so no one else can afford to get ill as there's no room
Report Magic__Daps October 19, 2020 5:40 PM BST
dave - so you may not agree, and that is fair enough. But to ask for evidence on something that is an estimated guess on previous figures, is obviously a bit silly (and you know it). A Doctor hasn't just plucked a figure out of the air, there is obvious some modelling on it - London had 10% back in May (in 3 weeks of testing).

When you have a pop about any decision made by the Government, you have the full evidence to back up every single one of your decisions to go against them, or is it simply an educated 'guess' based on what you have read or have been told? You make a decision based on what is available at the time. When the ONS and Doctors were guessing figures of care homes, excess deaths etc were you having a pop then at the claims made without the full evidence, or did it just suit your political stance so you let it go?

I mentioned Starmer as he has nailed himself to the route we should be going down, where is all the evidence for that to be the correct decision for the whole country? What good is it locking down parts of the country where the virus is hardly spreading in big numbers? How much will it cost? How many businesses will be gone? How many people will lose their homes, jobs etc, and in turn their lives? Do we have another circuit breaker in 6 weeks? At least Raynor knew what she was talking about banging the circuit breaker drum when she was asked "how much will it cost", and had the usual blank face, and then asked again and we had the "it will cost more not to". Brilliant.

Everyone is guessing to a degree.
Report pablo-fanque October 19, 2020 5:43 PM BST
How do you propose dealing with hospitals filling up clogging up all the beds so no one else can afford to get ill as there's no room

of course lockdown is trying to prevent deaths and stopping the virus spreading to many people , but isn't what duffy says above the whole point of lockdown ?
Report Storm Alert October 19, 2020 5:50 PM BST
Are some people are failing to grasp that letting Coronavirus run wild would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country alone as the NHS would become completely overwhelmed? Plus if you talk to people who work in the NHS they really struggled with having to nurse the seriously ill patients during the first wave.

The Italian doctors & nurses in Lombardy paid a heavy price in deaths and mental anguish about making decisions about which patients to save and which patients to leave to die when their health service couldn't handle numbers earlier this year.

Only stupid older people especially with compromised immune systems/Diabetes/High Blood Pressure etc, etc "take their chances". Sensible people take precautions and are hoping to avoid getting infected in the hope improved treatment (prevention/support) and maybe a vaccine one day.

I do agree with a lot of what is being said. IMO the UK Government continues to give the impression of lurching from one crisis to another with Coronavirus. It occurs to me they need to demonstrate they have control of the situation and a medium to long term plan. At the moment the spectre of lockdown for an unspecified length of time is happening/looming for large groups of the population and it’s a depressing thought.

One idea is for the Government to plan for a two week lockdown/Circuit breaker (whatever it is called) every ten weeks to suppress the number of infections to what can be managed by our NHS:
•    I understand that two weeks is long enough for infectious people to no longer be infectious.
•    Therefore a cycle of eight weeks of the virus spreading, followed by two weeks of suppression.
•    Cycles to continue until a vaccine becomes available or the virus can be treated more effectively for older population.
•    Align 10 week cycles to school holidays/half terms.
•    Individuals can plan for this and hopefully not be too despondent as they know that it eight weeks of normality and two weeks of isolation at home in family groups.
•    Businesses can plan around the ten weeks cycle and maybe Government can provide financial assistance for the two weeks.
•    This might also gradually get us to herd immunity without overwhelming the NHS.

I know I would feel much better if I had a clear plan to follow with a long term goal.
Report duffy October 19, 2020 5:52 PM BST
exactly, people cite that the virus hasn't killed as many as spanish flu blah blah and normal flu kills too blah blah but lockdown isn't all about deaths, it's about disrupting a highly disruptive virus that fills hospitals quickly and keeps people in them for a long time which brings everything grinding to a halt and it is that which puts cancer procedures and other practices at risk.
Report Dotchinite October 19, 2020 5:54 PM BST
How "normal" are the 8 weeks of normality.
Report duffy October 19, 2020 5:56 PM BST
Also the whole idea of herd immunity if you do not categorically know how long immunity from this virus lasts for is highly reckless, you could be sacrificing 1,000's of people for something that lasts for a few months people have already been re-affected...and died.
Report Storm Alert October 19, 2020 5:57 PM BST
Sensible normality; the vast majority of society is sensible despite how the idiots and their idiotic behaviour is reported.
Report GEORGE.B October 19, 2020 6:00 PM BST
Storm Alert 19 Oct 20 17:50 
Are some people are failing to grasp that letting Coronavirus run wild would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country


Stockholm has a population of nearly a million.

No face masks. No house arrest.

On your logic shouldn't tens of thousands be dead already?
Report GEORGE.B October 19, 2020 6:02 PM BST
Ferguson and his pals were predicting tens of thousands dead by May 1st for Sweden if they didn't lock down.

What happened?
Report sparrow October 19, 2020 6:02 PM BST
Storm Alert 19 Oct 20 17:57   

Only stupid older people especially with compromised immune systems/Diabetes/High Blood Pressure etc, etc "take their chances". Sensible people take precautions and are hoping to avoid getting infected in the hope improved treatment (prevention/support) and maybe a vaccine one day.




Just these stupid older people taking chances then?   What planet are you living on?
Report truehoncho October 19, 2020 6:16 PM BST
-Are some people are failing to grasp that letting Coronavirus run wild would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country alone as the NHS would become completely overwhelmed? Plus if you talk to people who work in the NHS they really struggled with having to nurse the seriously ill patients during the first wave.----  That's just not true. There were tens of thousands of empty NHS beds through April, May , June. There is no evidence that the sorts of numbers of deaths you are talking about would happen.
Report Magic__Daps October 19, 2020 6:19 PM BST
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exactly, people cite that the virus hasn't killed as many as spanish flu blah blah and normal flu kills too blah blah but lockdown isn't all about deaths, it's about disrupting a highly disruptive virus that fills hospitals quickly and keeps people in them for a long time which brings everything grinding to a halt and it is that which puts cancer procedures and other practices at risk.


Is London hospitals must be rammed with Covid patients at the moment in your opinion? Taking all the beds? They must be bulging at the moment surely.... A few days ago there were a total of 389 covid patients in London hospitals, taking up a massive 1.5% of Hospital beds, and that is 6.5% of ventilation beds.


duffy19 Oct 20 17:56
Also the whole idea of herd immunity if you do not categorically know how long immunity from this virus lasts for is highly reckless, you could be sacrificing 1,000's of people for something that lasts for a few months people have already been re-affected...and died.

So if people who have had it and have recovered and are fine now then we have to assume they are then not immune (or we don't know how long for), should these people then carry on being locked up until we know for sure how long immunity is for? There have been so say 5 people out of 40 million who have caught it twice. If there is no vaccine do we wait a year and then say "you are all fine, carry on regardless", 2 years, 5 years. Still have these lockdowns and ruin more lives, jobs, housing, economy etc in the process?
Report dave1357 November 11, 2020 10:04 PM GMT
3 1/2 weeks on - I wonder how many of today's 600 dead were in that 16752?
Report hello :-) November 11, 2020 11:10 PM GMT
GEORGE.B 19 Oct 20 19:02 
Ferguson and his pals were predicting tens of thousands dead by May 1st for Sweden if they didn't lock down.

What happened?



Sweden s prime minister said Wednesday his government will present a law proposal that would ban nationwide the sale of alcohol after 10 p.m. in bars restaurants and night clubs from Nov. 20 in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19.


lets not judge sweden quite yet
Report sparrow November 12, 2020 8:01 AM GMT
hello......they will simply claim fake news.
Report MJK November 12, 2020 9:21 AM GMT
So people who refuse to adhere to guidelines do so as 'they' are trying to control them. And people won't take the vaccine as it's another way that 'they' can control them. I wish people would grow up ffs.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk November 12, 2020 11:47 AM GMT
Peer pressure won't make me take a vaccine.
Especially when I don't rate my peers very much Cool
Report howard November 12, 2020 12:05 PM GMT
Good posts from Magic. You really can be forgiven for thinking the virus is just a cover story serious though it is. We could build massive tent hospitals for the elderly sick obese etc. If they die they die. But don't kill the rest of us.
Report isleham November 12, 2020 5:22 PM GMT
i think it may have already been said but if a vaccine becomes available to all and someone refuses it and they subsequently
become covid positive they should definitely be refused hospitalisation
Report truehoncho November 12, 2020 6:12 PM GMT
Does that go for flu Iselham and what about patients that refuse chemotherapy? should we not treat them for cancer? What about people that won't stop smoking, should we refuse cancer treatments or other related illnesses? What about rock climbers, if they fall should we leave them there? What about obese people, should we refuse heart bypass operations? What about someone speeding, should we leave them wrapped around the lamp post if they crash? Most peoples long term conditions are brought on themselves. Not many people eat a healthy diet or take enough exercise. Just because you have a view of covid that somehow is different to these I'm not sure why you should penalise them any more. Covid certainly is nowhere near the drain on our NHS is as smoking or drinking.  What about drug takers, if they overdose should we leave them die? Thats a crime and we still look after them.
Report howard November 12, 2020 6:14 PM GMT
Any vaccine will likely need many many years to see how it works out. Like when they start having babies.
Report howard November 12, 2020 6:16 PM GMT
good post honcho.
Report isleham November 12, 2020 7:45 PM GMT
covid is highly infectious and you are endangering many others whereas many of the things you quote..
cancer,car accidents etc. are purely yourself and cannot be passed onto others.
incidently im actually self isolating for 14 days at the moment because i went to the wrong restaurant at the wrong time
Report truehoncho November 12, 2020 8:00 PM GMT
Its a very philosophical point Isleham. The trouble is if we start deciding on who should be treated on the basis of behaviour it gets tricky and dangerous. Think of all the harm those smokers did to children over the years.

Sorry you're stuck in, at least it is during a lockdown, you could have had to cancel a holiday.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk November 12, 2020 8:08 PM GMT
If say I am ordered to be vaccinated and there are harmful repercussions to myself in future that are attributed to the covid drug, can I sue?
Report stewarty b November 12, 2020 9:05 PM GMT
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Does that go for flu Iselham and what about patients that refuse chemotherapy? should we not treat them for cancer? What about people that won't stop smoking, should we refuse cancer treatments or other related illnesses? What about rock climbers, if they fall should we leave them there? What about obese people, should we refuse heart bypass operations? What about someone speeding, should we leave them wrapped around the lamp post if they crash? Most peoples long term conditions are brought on themselves. Not many people eat a healthy diet or take enough exercise. Just because you have a view of covid that somehow is different to these I'm not sure why you should penalise them any more. Covid certainly is nowhere near the drain on our NHS is as smoking or drinking.  What about drug takers, if they overdose should we leave them die? Thats a crime and we still look after them.
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Any vaccine will likely need many many years to see how it works out. Like when they start having babies.
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good post honcho.




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good post honcho.[/i]
Report stewarty b November 12, 2020 9:06 PM GMT
^^^ Seems to have went haywire there.
Report GEORGE.B November 12, 2020 10:33 PM GMT
Is this man a liar?
He claims there is something "fishy" going on!
Is he a 'loon' or a 'conspiracy theorist'?
No, he's the esteemed microbiologist Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&feature=youtu.be
Report dave1357 November 12, 2020 10:58 PM GMT

Nov 12, 2020 -- 10:06PM, stewarty b wrote:


^^^ Seems to have went haywire there.


A bad workman etc

Report dave1357 November 12, 2020 11:05 PM GMT
So how did you came across "esteemed" microbiologist Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, George? Doesn't seem like the kind of bod you would know anything about. You wouldn't have stumbled across him on some loon's internet blog that specialises in conspiracy theories.
Report GEORGE.B November 12, 2020 11:20 PM GMT
dave1357, interesting that you haven't listened to anything the esteemed professor has said and tried to debunk it. He must be telling the truth!

But that is typical of unintelligent people like yourself, rather than try to argue against what is being said, you attempt to attack the source, as your post proves.
Report isleham November 12, 2020 11:50 PM GMT
my comment about no treatment for patients who refused a vaccination
was somewhat tongue-in-cheek but how are we ever going to get back to
a normal life if millions of people are walking around just continually
giving eachother covid. this virus certainly shows no sign of disappearing by itself.
there are no possible side effects currently that would stop me being vaccinated
if it meant i could be back on racecourses, cricket grounds etc.
Report Dotchinite November 12, 2020 11:55 PM GMT
Good thing you clarified that as there are a lot of nutters about who actually think thats a sensible idea.
Report hello :-) November 13, 2020 12:02 AM GMT
lets not refuse anyone hospitalisation due to personal choice

or down line anyone who eats sugar or smokes is fecked

tbh honest im shocked the tories havnt already tried it Laugh
Report dave1357 November 13, 2020 8:18 AM GMT
GEORGE.B • November 12, 2020 11:20 PM GMT

But that is typical of unintelligent people like yourself, rather than try to argue against what is being said, you attempt to attack the source, as your post proves.


Quoted for future textbook chapter on the subject of irony
Report jimnast November 13, 2020 8:36 AM GMT
at least sutcliffe wont need any more hospital treatmentHappy
Report parachutepunter November 13, 2020 11:32 AM GMT
Forced to self isolate as close colleague at work is Covid +
Not good
Very boring
Local authorities threaten to fine if you step out your house
More like imprisonment or self incarcerationCrySadSadSad
Report isleham November 14, 2020 9:28 AM GMT
if personal choice endangers the society you live within
perhaps society has to fight back by ridding its self of that danger
Report jimnast November 14, 2020 9:32 AM GMT
sutcliffe had 40 years in lockdown and still died of covid.
Report GEORGE.B November 15, 2020 12:00 AM GMT
Don't let the nutty conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers twist your minds.

Just do as yous are told, even if it means destroying the economy and bringing poverty to many, while depriving others of essential healthcare as the NHS becomes the NCS (National Covid Service). Keep the masks on, stay indoors and take the vaccine(s) when it arrives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AB6-oNq4TE
Report smirnoff2therescue November 15, 2020 1:10 AM GMT
George ive just had my 5th round of chemo this past week and whilst i was sh1tting mesel initially going into hospital i can honestly say that wearing a mask was not a problem - nor was following the guidelines that were imprinted into me - this disease is real as i can testify to knowing at least 6 people who hav bitten the dust becos of it -two of which had no underlying effects and fall out of the boxes that are "critical" - yes there hav been errors in how government have applied certain regs but anyone that doesnt hav the jab when its available needs to give their head a wobble cos wots the downside - maybe if this disease reaches a few more people who are normally more level headed then perhaps real life will tekk ova - who knows but thats just my opinion on the subject

Meanwhile a lament to an old twisty barsteward who was a mackem all his life who succumbed to it but worked down the pit at Monkwearmouth pit for many a year and was as fit as a lop till March this year - gone by end of April- i know its about the shipyards but the sentiment is there

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Report smirnoff2therescue November 15, 2020 1:11 AM GMT
R.I.P. Norman LoveLoveLove
Report hello :-) November 15, 2020 1:13 AM GMT
nice having the forum far right all in one place

tidy Laugh
Report smirnoff2therescue November 15, 2020 1:14 AM GMT
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Report smirnoff2therescue November 15, 2020 1:14 AM GMT
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