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elisjohn
04 Aug 20 07:03
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just checking  if anyone else is . On sportsbook here  im allowed to bet on the horses, ok no best odds and restrictions, but i cannot bet on soccer/ cricket/ snooker nothing except horses.It is a hell of a nuisance for me mainly i like to do soccer accas ETC , but i cannot do any accumulators at all on betfair now,
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Report MythWA August 4, 2020 8:44 AM BST
I would like to hear from the sportsbook customers who have every concession and are never restricted. There must be many as there would be no point in operating the business.
It would be very interesting to learn how they do it. It cant be just being losers as there is so much evidence that that is not the case.
I and others were losing when they were chopped. The traders must have a 'model' that they use probably software.
Report layingisthewayforward August 4, 2020 8:49 AM BST
It's Coolmore's fault.
Report Trident August 4, 2020 8:49 AM BST
The traders must have a 'model' that they use probably software Its very sophisticated algorithm software implemented.Whoops
Report ali1959 August 4, 2020 9:30 AM BST
How successful were your accas on these sports?  Have you a large % success rate?  I would guess it is because you are a winning punter or are beating the book too often for their liking.  They are taking your horse bets because you are not so successful.  To be honest, your tips in the Group 1 races recently have been awful.
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 10:02 AM BST
ali, what planet you on, do you know that the majority of punters restricted are losing punters, my accas are fun bets and i dont even think ive won once
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 10:04 AM BST
ps read my thread ablout betway, lost about £300 in a month, then the dreaded email restrictedGrin
Report ali1959 August 4, 2020 10:33 AM BST
If as you say, you are a losing punter, then you must be beating the book too many times for their liking.
Report hulk23 August 4, 2020 11:01 AM BST
could have lost a lot more than £300 & still got banned if they don't like the prices you're taking.  results immaterial.
Report Sica Dan August 4, 2020 11:28 AM BST
Betway wouldnt let me have £20 on a 1/10 shot, restricted to £8 odds stake.I am not
a  big winner with them.
Report hulk23 August 4, 2020 11:39 AM BST
i've opened an account, placed bets in the morning & had an email telling me to fk off an hour before the first ones even run in the afternoon.  that's how bothered they are about whether they win or not ... (they all lost btw)
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 11:43 AM BST
ali, you might beat the book or get best odds guaranteed on horse racing ,. but how the hell do you beat the book with soccer accas, or to be honest with any other sport bet,
Report hulk23 August 4, 2020 11:46 AM BST
does seem odd, highly unlikely to beat the price at soccer.
Report ali1959 August 4, 2020 12:02 PM BST
I'm not saying that you arb, but there are arbers out there.  I could understand if you were a singles only punter, but on accas, every bookie likes to take them.  If you are a losing punter and their bread and butter, it is their loss.  Simply find another bookie to accomodate your bets.  There are hundreds out there.
Report second again August 4, 2020 12:23 PM BST
John Banks used to say you should not worry when a bookie refuses your bet,if he accepts your bet you should worry.
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 12:34 PM BST
ali, honestly,( smell the coffee), hundred of bookies to accomodate you.Laugh
Report ali1959 August 4, 2020 12:40 PM BST
Just doesn't make sense for them to refuse your bets.  Perhaps you are the man the bookies fear, though you yourself say you are a losing punter and not a winning punter.
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 12:42 PM BST
what your definition of an arber, ali,

do you define someone who backs a ton on a 10/1 chance, that horse gets backed to 4/1 and then he covers his stake, or is an arber someone who gets a grand on at 9/4 and lays back on here at 3.1( which after 4% comm youd be probably worse off ), i actually got what do you call it a red flag by whill  by just backing some prisewice horses , reduced to a fiver, would you believe that.

there might have been a time  when arbing was very profitable for some  ( i suppose) but id say not much chance these days.
Report MythWA August 4, 2020 1:02 PM BST
The fact that losing punters are being restricted just doesnt add up.
As I have mentioned before its all about the work that goes into servicing an account.
If you bet most days with accas/multiple bets on several sports. Then there comes a time when the books decide that they are just providing a service for the punters hobby.
Report ali1959 August 4, 2020 1:20 PM BST
Both you and I know about arbers and I haven't the foggiest idea what a red flag by whill means.  All I am trying to get to the bottom of is why ban/restrict bookies bread and butter.  Put yourself in the bookie's shoes if the situation was reversed.  Ban/restrict a winning punter, understandable, but they would not have a credible business to ban losing punters surely.
Report Big Cat August 4, 2020 2:34 PM BST
Not sure why any bookie would turn down accas. Any edge one might have on individual events is diluted once they're combined
Over-rounds multiplied together result in a bigger margin for the bookies
Report Big Cat August 4, 2020 2:39 PM BST
That said, a footy acca has always been my favourite bet. That's how I originally got sucked in Laugh
Report equine flew August 4, 2020 3:08 PM BST
With hills can back horses ok but on NHL and NFL everything over £50 is referred to trader (then knocked back).  Dont do any other sports
Report FOYLESWAR August 4, 2020 3:13 PM BST
its a bit of a mystery to me ,when sportsbook first started i had a few bets on horses with them and  after a few winners and beating the price i was restricted to 50p bets ,didnt bet with them again till last years 2,000 gns when i saw they were offering 25/1 ante post magna grecia tried a fiver win fully expecting to get knocked back ,they accepted it to my suprise so went in again with another £5 took that managed to get another 3 fivers on £25 total before they knocked me back . have managed to get loads on my ante post bets in dribs and drabs £5s and tenners here and there ............seems they will take ante post bets no problem dont know about the everyday bets .
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 6:29 PM BST
(a red flag,) or whatever its called is when  one punter can get £50 on a horse  at 3/1, then someone else can only get £ 25 on the same horse and then someone  ( on whatever its called in the shop)  he can only have a £ 5 on ., its happened to me loads of times in the local billies gone in with  my mate he gets whatever he wants on and me , restricted, youre on the LIST .
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 6:32 PM BST
PS ali, you seem to think arbing is simple and easily done, do you seriousl think that anyone can get 3/1 on line or bookies and lay on the exchange at 3.5, you might once  a year.   .
Report elisjohn August 4, 2020 6:47 PM BST
thats the trouble these days with bookmakers they treat everyone as ARBERS, and youre still an ARBER even if youre actually a trader.( massive difference in both of those), i would say im a trader especially if ive backed a horse at 20/1 and thats been backed to 4/1, or ive backed man utd to beat barcelona at 7/4 and utd go 3-0 up and are 1/20,  of course id trade out , its a no brainer especially if your stake is quite substantial
Report elisjohn August 5, 2020 9:32 AM BST
in response to my group1 tipping, agree its not be to my usual high standards, but if that lot of coolmore cant pick their own winners , what chance have i Laugh, but from top of my head my winners this flat season include
july cup winner , oxted at around 20s

irish oaks even so 13s

jubillee r ascot  hello youmzain 6s
Report elisjohn August 5, 2020 9:38 AM BST
i forgot, 2 tips for you
gould to win the world snooker around 60s now, ive had 350, 
and the nap of history, LAY LAY LAY LOVE FOR ARCLaugh, 7/2 after beating not trees, but stationery concrete poles  in the oaks and 1000 gns,
Report impossible123 August 5, 2020 3:00 PM BST
'elisjohn', I hope you're wrong about 'Love'. She's very skinny, but competition esp Enable, and with no new entrant she's the one to beat Enable and the over-rans last season. I hope she gets there to proof whether she's good enough or not.
Report seaside August 5, 2020 11:22 PM BST
Miss Paget could have £1,000s on after the race had been run I can not get a bet on before the race is off with a number of book's
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