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11 Jul 20
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Well done Hamdan, great day and Jawwaal another of your old horses winning. Great stuff but can anyone tell me if they'll be able to remember who won what race in a few months time? What with Mutamaasik, Monaasib, Muraad, Montather, Montatham to name just a few who have ran and some won over the past few days, how can any British person remember which one's which!
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His horses are running great but how on earth can you follow them, why it's allowed by the jockey club i don't know! At least Godolphin and Khalid Abdullah name lots of their horses in English.
I started a similar Thread a few moths ago - stewarts.
- and after - MOTAKHAYEL - Won the Bunbury Cup, I was about to post the self-same.
WILL - MOTAKHAYEL - be remembered in the same way as previous Bunbury Cup Winners ...
- like ... Heaven's Guest - Mine - Patavelian - Tumbleweed Ridge - En Attendant - Patriach - Tremblant - Paterno - Pipedreamer - Kintore - Penny Post.
... Will it hell as like.
Be forgotten in a flash.
Whilst the Arab money in some ways saved British Racing ....
Their NAMING of many of THEIR HORSES has also ruined it's heritage
- and after - MOTAKHAYEL - Won the Bunbury Cup, I was about to post the self-same.
WILL - MOTAKHAYEL - be remembered in the same way as previous Bunbury Cup Winners ...
- like ... Heaven's Guest - Mine - Patavelian - Tumbleweed Ridge - En Attendant - Patriach - Tremblant - Paterno - Pipedreamer - Kintore - Penny Post.
... Will it hell as like.
Be forgotten in a flash.
Whilst the Arab money in some ways saved British Racing ....
Their NAMING of many of THEIR HORSES has also ruined it's heritage
Montatham=INSTALL
Mutamaasik=ADHERES
Monaasib=MONAASIB
Muraad=INTENTION
Montather=MONTATHER
Mutamaasik=ADHERES
Monaasib=MONAASIB
Muraad=INTENTION
Montather=MONTATHER
There's a Mutabaahy and a Maqtal running tonight, without looking are they any good, Group class, listed, h'cappers or donkeys?
The ones with the crying face next to them definitely aren't!
It would be interesting if one translated as Mary Hinge or similar.
Been here before haven't we?
Who remembers Salsabil, Nashwan, Dayjur, Unfuwain, Sakhee, Bahri, Nayef etc? Agree there are rather a lot of M's but there are thousands of Red's etc. Hardly different.
Who remembers Salsabil, Nashwan, Dayjur, Unfuwain, Sakhee, Bahri, Nayef etc? Agree there are rather a lot of M's but there are thousands of Red's etc. Hardly different.
Yes - blackbarn - and I remembered your exact response - as above.
The difference being, in my view - The names thar you have quoted - such as Dayjur, Nashwan and Salsabil are all distinctly DIFFERENT to each other, in varying composition ...
However - ALL the MUKthis, MUKkthat, MUKtheother are all ... [b[]MU[/b]ch of a MUchness ...
That IS the difference.
The difference being, in my view - The names thar you have quoted - such as Dayjur, Nashwan and Salsabil are all distinctly DIFFERENT to each other, in varying composition ...
However - ALL the MUKthis, MUKkthat, MUKtheother are all ... [b[]MU[/b]ch of a MUchness ...
That IS the difference.
Onlooker - Of course they are distinctly different from each other because i have chosen the stars from several different letters of the alphabet. FFS!! There are, as I have said rather a lot of M's which unfortunately from your point of view is largely a product of the Arabic language. In Hamdan's horses in training there are also loads of A'S particularly Al's but these do not seem to attract your ire. Nor do the large numbers of B's AND E's. I think you are being silly, and...
....on the subject of being silly, and since you mentioned it guess how many Muk's Sheikh Hamdan has in training?
....on the subject of being silly, and since you mentioned it guess how many Muk's Sheikh Hamdan has in training?
blackbarn - steady on - not like us to fall out.
As you are probably aware - I, along with many others, have in similar vein a gripe with Dr Koukash and his naming everything - GABRIAL ... in fact, even the BHA wrote to him and told him to 'put the brakes on'.
Still each to their own... we others can but have an opinion.
On a more serious note - from your point of view ...
Did you see the story in the Racing Post about the 'End of an Era' - with trainer Suzy Smith leaving LEWES.
I feel that will definitely meet with your displeasure.
As you are probably aware - I, along with many others, have in similar vein a gripe with Dr Koukash and his naming everything - GABRIAL ... in fact, even the BHA wrote to him and told him to 'put the brakes on'.
Still each to their own... we others can but have an opinion.
On a more serious note - from your point of view ...
Did you see the story in the Racing Post about the 'End of an Era' - with trainer Suzy Smith leaving LEWES.
I feel that will definitely meet with your displeasure.
MUTAFAAKIR ... I always imagined that Gosden would have been relieved when this horse left his charge ..
Onlooker - I cannot conceive that you and I will ever fall out, but your Koukash argument falls apart when faced with horse names beginning with or containing Red, or any other colour for that matter. You are right that the BHA sent him a missive but it's boll ocks. Just off the top of my head I bet there are more horses in training with, for example, the word "light" in their name than the word "gabriel".
Re Hamdan - Any thoughts on the number of his "Muk's" in training. If it helps, you were extraordinarily unlucky with your choice of opening letters.
Very sad about Lewes' demise as a training centre. She won't know herself at Angmering!; be nice if she got a Celtic Swing.
Re Hamdan - Any thoughts on the number of his "Muk's" in training. If it helps, you were extraordinarily unlucky with your choice of opening letters.
Very sad about Lewes' demise as a training centre. She won't know herself at Angmering!; be nice if she got a Celtic Swing.
Those were the days - with Lady Herries
remarkable strike-rate - often well punted -... and you could join in with them, with some confidence, too.
Trying to remember her money-spinning globe-trotter - being with 'T.
As for the other issue - You are right in broadening the contenders ... and I detest fancying a horse with 'red' in it's name, too.
Whoa - just got it, as I was typing the above .... Taufan's Melody
remarkable strike-rate - often well punted -... and you could join in with them, with some confidence, too.
Trying to remember her money-spinning globe-trotter - being with 'T.
As for the other issue - You are right in broadening the contenders ... and I detest fancying a horse with 'red' in it's name, too.
Whoa - just got it, as I was typing the above .... Taufan's Melody
The thing about the reds or the lights is completely different imo.
They are not all in the same colours from the same small bunch of trainers in more or less the same era so they are easy to distinguish and categorise their merits and abilities.
The maks and the Gabriel's were not so easy imo .
In a slightly different way but for the same reasons the coolmore horses all kind of morph into one for me now too with their Greek classical or composer names.
Only the really great stand out for me now when remembering back where as a Capri , Rip van winkle or soldier of fortune are just another horse churned out to pick up a few G 1s before heading to stud.
Any of those horses would stand out in memory if trained by a lesser trainer for a smaller owner .
When it becomes a numbers game in the hands of a few something gets lost imo.
They are not all in the same colours from the same small bunch of trainers in more or less the same era so they are easy to distinguish and categorise their merits and abilities.
The maks and the Gabriel's were not so easy imo .
In a slightly different way but for the same reasons the coolmore horses all kind of morph into one for me now too with their Greek classical or composer names.
Only the really great stand out for me now when remembering back where as a Capri , Rip van winkle or soldier of fortune are just another horse churned out to pick up a few G 1s before heading to stud.
Any of those horses would stand out in memory if trained by a lesser trainer for a smaller owner .
When it becomes a numbers game in the hands of a few something gets lost imo.
If it is any consolation, the changes which are happening in the field of energy production at present are guaranteed to ensure that the era of Arab dominance in UK horse racing will come to a swift end within the next two or three years.
The unfortunate corollary of this is that the Gosdens and the Johnstons (and Godolphin) will have to totally rethink their business models ... their will no longer be an unending flow of petrodollars to sustain their mega stables.
The good news is that there will no longer be any horses name beginning with MUL or MUK ..
The unfortunate corollary of this is that the Gosdens and the Johnstons (and Godolphin) will have to totally rethink their business models ... their will no longer be an unending flow of petrodollars to sustain their mega stables.
The good news is that there will no longer be any horses name beginning with MUL or MUK ..
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