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By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 14:29
rtv been hard as fk for a while now. As keep saying it is much harder than sky tracks yet seemingly faster
THEY are taking the p1ss
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 14:40
jd..this has went untenable..the bot just dishes out pennies..its designed to wipe you out..it will in 85% of people.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 24 Jun 20 14:42
slow pics...

shocking liquidity (pre-race and in play)...

a few at the top of the tree hitting buttons before most others which wipes out a huge chunk of the in-play market...

beginning to think the x-matching bot has been turned off...

and also beginning to think another Betfair Bot has been tweaked up a bit...

all in all the last few days have been horrifying here...
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 14:42
I keep saying willie, does the bot not play sky/atr tracks?
By:
HappyHibby
When: 24 Jun 20 14:45
the big Q i have is...

who are the few at the top of the tree...?

Betfair knows who they are...

i know that much...
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 14:47
the bot is maxing out in ev race now james.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 24 Jun 20 14:49
Betfair needs to get a grip of it's BOT or they will be losing customers left right and centre very soon...
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 14:49
Remember willy, you are either usually at the track or playing off ft pics.
Now you are behind a select few who have access to faster pics and clicking before you.

I honestly don't think it is the bot, more some have quicker pics. You will see when you go back to newcastle or get fast pics again

btw I'm not saying it isnt a bot, just my opinion.

If it is betfairs bot, where was it the first two weeks after lockdown and why don't they switch it on for sky/atr tracks?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 24 Jun 20 14:57
The whole gambling industry is designed to take the lot, but when you've got a peer to peer exchange that is using bots to stop you winning then you know its disgustingly corrupt

Casino sites lowering their RTPs and nothing done to them, no fines no warnings nothing Crazy

They've gone all out now
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 14:58
james..take it from me..no one is clicking before me.
By:
dave1357
When: 24 Jun 20 14:59
The only way forward is removing the 1 sec delay - that means people get what they click on instead of only getting matched on the rebound when they are losing.
By:
whatyoulookingat
When: 24 Jun 20 15:00
whats up boys playing with no advantage welcome to the real world
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:00
Have you got fast pics again?
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:01
Have you noticed and diff in getting matched at sky tracks compared to rtv tracks?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:06
no..last week or so its been impossible to get over 20p a price.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:10
Only Jack         150    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.10
Only Jack         300    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         170    0.27         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.27
Only Jack         170    0.45         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.45
Only Jack         90    0.52         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.52
Only Jack         130    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         170    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         210    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         350    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.25
Only Jack         140    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         360    2.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.00
Only Jack         250    0.40         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.40
Only Jack         360    2.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.00
Only Jack         140    0.44         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.44
Only Jack         250    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.25
Only Jack         100    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         200    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         250    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.10

Two Cop Bop         90    0.67         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.67
Two Cop Bop         300    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.01
Two Cop Bop         270    0.88         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.88
Two Cop Bop         150    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.10
Two Cop Bop         250    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.10
Two Cop Bop         70    0.33         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.33
Two Cop Bop         70    1.46         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    1.46
Two Cop Bop         360    0.27         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.27
Two Cop Bop         130    2.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    2.00
Two Cop Bop         330    0.16         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.16
Two Cop Bop         130    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.50
Two Cop Bop         170    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.50
Two Cop Bop         210    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.50
Two Cop Bop         230    0.60         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.60
Two Cop Bop         360    0.02         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.02
Two Cop Bop         360    0.02         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.02
Two Cop Bop         360    0.03         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.03
Two Cop Bop         360    0.04         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.04
Two Cop Bop         360    0.06         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.06
Two Cop Bop         140    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.01
Two Cop Bop         100    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.50
Two Cop Bop         250    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.25
Two Cop Bop         100    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.01
Two Cop Bop         200    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.01
Two Cop Bop         170    0.28         Lay    24-Jun-20 12:47    24-Jun-20 12:47    0.28
Only Jack         150    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.10
Only Jack         300    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         170    0.27         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.27
Only Jack         170    0.45         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.45
Only Jack         90    0.52         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.52
Only Jack         130    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         170    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         210    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.50
Only Jack         350    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.25
Only Jack         140    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         360    2.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.00
Only Jack         250    0.40         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.40
Only Jack         360    2.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.00
Only Jack         140    0.44         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.44
Only Jack         250    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.25
Only Jack         100    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         200    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.01
Only Jack         250    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.10

Waldkonig         740    0.14         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.14
Waldkonig         500    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         1,000    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         1,000    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         1,000    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         1,000    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         470    0.18         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.18
Waldkonig         1,000    1.81         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    1.81
Waldkonig         170    0.27         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.27
Waldkonig         500    0.12         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.12
Waldkonig         840    0.63         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.63
Waldkonig         890    0.05         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.05
Waldkonig         990    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.50
Waldkonig         700    0.18         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.18
Waldkonig         690    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.10
Waldkonig         950    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         390    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         880    0.06         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.06
Waldkonig         600    0.18         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.18
Waldkonig         1,000    0.39         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.39
Waldkonig         650    0.14         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.14
Waldkonig         650    0.14         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.14
Waldkonig         250    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.25
Waldkonig         500    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.25
Waldkonig         500    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.25
Waldkonig         200    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         300    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         400    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01
Waldkonig         1,000    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:13    24-Jun-20 13:13    0.01

you want another 20 examples? Laugh
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:11
Horses are going no offers far too early but not many are getting caught

I reckon theres a few big backers late on with fast pics clicking 1.5 seconds or so before anyone else and it's skewing the market
By:
DOUBLED
When: 24 Jun 20 15:13
Slow pics and fast bots .... Betfair loving it
By:
Uberalles
When: 24 Jun 20 15:14
Willie, will you be claiming the game is up when you're creaming it at Newcastle again soon? Or do you genuinely think its coming to an end?
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:14
You expecting to pick up money lying on the floor when horses are beat.... near 1.5 seconds behind a select few?

You need faster pics for that, it is as if rtv has got slower
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:17
you will have got a few quid laying lacan there
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:17
Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds
Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
Lacan
65
£1.02
£66.30
Lacan
70
£0.20
£14.00
Lacan
90
£0.54
£48.60
Lacan
95
£1.50
£142.50
Lacan
100
£0.51
£51.00
Lacan
130
£0.50
£65.00
Lacan
140
£0.01
£1.40
Lacan
170
£0.92
£156.40
Lacan
190
£0.50
£95.00
Lacan
200
£0.01
£2.00
Lacan
210
£0.50
£105.00
Lacan
230
£0.22
£50.60
Lacan
250
£0.25
£62.50
Lacan
300
£0.01
£3.00
Lacan
350
£0.25
£87.50

odds all the way..1L down 1 out..is this possible?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:19
65-350 1 bet over a quid Laugh
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 24 Jun 20 15:19
Probably change your tactics.
By:
dustybin
When: 24 Jun 20 15:20
if it was simply the bot responsible for restricting matched bets then how do you relate getting matched when seeing the action earlier on course?
By:
HappyHibby
When: 24 Jun 20 15:21
click earlier Mr.Hunt...

or has your bottle crashed...?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:22
Lacan         95    1.00         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    1.00
Lacan         300    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.01
Lacan         90    0.10         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.10
Lacan         170    0.29         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.29
Lacan         130    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50
Lacan         170    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50
Lacan         210    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50
Lacan         350    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.25
Lacan         230    0.22         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.22
Lacan         70    0.20         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.20
Lacan         170    0.13         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.13
Lacan         65    1.02         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    1.02
Lacan         140    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.01
Lacan         95    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50
Lacan         90    0.44         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.44
Lacan         100    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50
Lacan         250    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.25
Lacan         100    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.01
Lacan         200    0.01         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.01
Lacan         190    0.50         Lay    24-Jun-20 15:16    24-Jun-20 15:16    0.50

£20 supposedly matched at 300 ..im 1st in and get 1p?
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:22
willy, there was no bot on that race due to the late non runner

Cannot blame the bot there!! So what can it be, some one with faster pics maybe?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:25
james..are you on the wind up?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:26
james..will i sent my acc to a forensic accountant as you dont seem to have grasped the gist of things.
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:26
No. Why

You are saying it is down to the bot, they always switch it off late when late non runner

Report•Quote•Block Userdustybin • June 24, 2020 3:20 PM BST
if it was simply the bot responsible for restricting matched bets then how do you relate getting matched when seeing the action earlier on course?
By:
dustybin
When: 24 Jun 20 15:27
When the test pics were shown the markets played significantly easier than they do now
This isnt what a level playing field looks like, which suggests to me somebody is playing off faster pics
And the fact RTV cant work out whatever it is they need to work out, while at the same time on course players are away, smells too much to be coincidental
By:
HappyHibby
When: 24 Jun 20 15:27
why are you laying Mr.Hunt...?

surely someone as good and knowledgable as you should be backing...?

and as you said earlier on nobody clicks before you do...

mmm...

very strange.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 24 Jun 20 15:30
i have a block of wood here..im currently knocking my head against it..

lets hope jd and hh dont join the police force.
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:31
if it was simply the bot responsible for restricting matched bets then how do you relate getting matched when seeing the action earlier on course?
By:
RacingLuck
When: 24 Jun 20 15:31

Jun 24, 2020 -- 8:58AM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


james..take it from me..no one is clicking before me.


im afraid you are wrong Cool

Only Jack    46.95    24.00    Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24.00


Only Jack         50    2.21         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.21
Only Jack         34    0.21         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.21
Only Jack         27    2.16         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.16
Only Jack         28    0.83         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.83
Only Jack         30    1.66         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.66
Only Jack         34    2.49         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.49
Only Jack         36    0.55         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.55
Only Jack         36    1.11         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.11
Only Jack         38    0.44         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.44
Only Jack         42    3.04         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    3.04
Only Jack         46    1.11         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.11
Only Jack         50    1.94         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.94
Only Jack         80    1.94         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.94
Only Jack         90    0.25         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.25
Only Jack         34    0.11         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.11
Only Jack         85    2.21         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    2.21
Only Jack         34    0.17         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    0.17
Only Jack         42    1.57         Lay    24-Jun-20 13:03    24-Jun-20 13:03    1.57

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jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:31
Laugh
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:32
if it was simply the bot responsible for restricting matched bets then how do you relate getting matched when seeing the action earlier on course?
By:
jamesdean
When: 24 Jun 20 15:33
yet struggle to get matched when you are 1.5 seconds behind.

Maybe it is you we should hope doesnt join the police
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