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thebootman
02 Jun 20 12:28
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Good news the low latency stream begins today.

Each stream will start 3 minutes before the off time, so 12.57 for the first. You can actually view the stream now and move along the tabs to view a few extra features.

It's watch and bet so you shouldn't have to place a bet to access the stream.

You can watch on desktop/laptop/Ipad/Iphone and speed should be the same.

It's day 1 so there could be teething trouble so bear that in mind.

Good luck all.
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Report jamesdean August 3, 2020 9:44 PM BST
ofc it takes more than 1 or 2 playing but yes agreed, as you say, the raw pics go far and wide.
It will be one or 2 with access to the faster pics passing them on to a small handful but a small enough handful to make a huge difference

You agree the that there's some playing off a faster feed at least and I don't mean drones or a facetimer stuck in a field somewhere
Report Big Cat August 3, 2020 9:51 PM BST
I think it's a combination of everything. Callers, drones, employees at the track, in production, in and around galleries, employees at 3rd party partner companies, employees at the ISP's who deliver the content, the list goes on
'The game' has not changed as such, the goal posts just keep moving
Report Willie Shafter. August 3, 2020 10:55 PM BST
windsor playing well Laugh

i know 4 in runners that went home ay 6 cos they say its impossible..have to agree..there again where isnt Mischief
Report hulk23 August 3, 2020 11:01 PM BST
i know 4 in runners that went home ay 6 cos they say its impossible

were they erect ?  Scared
Report Rider August 4, 2020 9:12 AM BST
time delay = distance travelled/c + time taken for adding graphics

so if pictures travel extra distance to the rtv studio have graphics added (no doubt what the bookmakers want) before being sent to the end user, then you will end up with slower pictures, the raw pictures we had before in the trial were fta so they can be sent directly to the end user from the track, nothing added, no decoding etc - raw, like analogue terrestrial used to be, .6 sec

do they really need another 6-8 weeks to work this out?
Report ItsMeSwaddle August 4, 2020 11:56 AM BST
"do they really need another 6-8 weeks to work this out?"

Anyone else find it strange that 6-8 weeks time is the likely (or was the likely) return of the public on track? 1st October?

Maybe just a coincedence.
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 2:02 PM BST
Beverley phucked
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 2:04 PM BST
White play button appears
Report cheburekito August 4, 2020 2:05 PM BST
Beverley with huge delay, be careful
Report screaming from beneaththewaves August 4, 2020 2:06 PM BST
I like the way they suspended several seconds late at both ends of the race at Beverley.

That way we'll never suspect that there might be raw pics available out there.
Report DOUBLED August 4, 2020 2:06 PM BST
played well RTV on Sky Wink
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 2:06 PM BST

Aug 4, 2020 -- 2:06PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:


I like the way they suspended several seconds late at both ends of the race at Beverley. That way we'll never suspect that there might be raw pics available out there.


According to what TheBootman reported the other day, BF get the same feed that we do from RTV and nothing more.

Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:16 PM BST
This big white button latalone, the one they used during the fast trial and ALWAYS shows up when lv is fkd funnily enough
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:18 PM BST
but hey, no one is using the fast trial lv just now Laugh
Report cheburekito August 4, 2020 2:33 PM BST
no big white button for me, but there is still very big delay
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 2:34 PM BST
The white button comes at the end of the coverage of the low-quality, massively delayed "live video" pics.

That race was fine.
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:35 PM BST
The big white button comes up at the end of the video when the stream stops
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:36 PM BST
yes only when lv is goosed. It's not meant to come up, its like a torch being shone on a burglar during the night escaping with his loot
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:37 PM BST
Although in this instance it is showing the fast trial lv is in use imho
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 2:42 PM BST
Remember the big white button that shows has only ever been seen/used on the fast trial lv, never before or after
for rtv tracks....yet mysteriously shows up every time the rtv is down  AND when it is down sky rtv plays like live

could this be because when our live video is down so is the raw fast trial one (as theyre from same source) hence sky tv pics become the fastest option out there eliminating the raw lv users leaving just the odd scare crow face timer or drone
Report cheburekito August 4, 2020 3:18 PM BST
lol this day is getting ridiculous, Catterick is out too
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 4:00 PM BST
Rubbish pics, miles behind....
Report Willie Shafter. August 4, 2020 4:01 PM BST
rtv playing great..best ive seen it.
Report cheburekito August 4, 2020 4:05 PM BST

Aug 4, 2020 -- 4:01PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


rtv playing great..best ive seen it.


you serious? To me both tracks are dead, no stream at all

Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 4:09 PM BST
They're both working, but that last Beverley race was miles behind.
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 4:29 PM BST
beverly fkd here
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 4:31 PM BST
Yeah, I've got nothing this time.  Black screen.
Report carrot1960 August 4, 2020 4:33 PM BST
Same here
Report ProSniper August 4, 2020 4:35 PM BST
Report ekbalko August 4, 2020 4:39 PM BST
Ok here but suspended with 50 m to go.
Report fortunethebrave August 4, 2020 4:39 PM BST
Has anyone got the link for the live video site that shows uk racing, as when I go on it and selcet horse racing it only list the racing abroad? Thanks
Report Willie Shafter. August 4, 2020 5:01 PM BST
cheburekito 04 Aug 20 16:05 
Aug 4, 2020 -- 4:01PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:

rtv playing great..best ive seen it.


you serious? To me both tracks are dead, no stream at all
Report Willie Shafter. August 4, 2020 5:08 PM BST
fortunethebrave 04 Aug 20 16:39 
Has anyone got the link for the live video site that shows uk racing, as when I go on it and selcet horse racing it only list the racing abroad? Thanks

video.betfair.com/
Report Latalomne August 4, 2020 5:51 PM BST
Catterick miles behind here.  Must be the worst day we've had for BFLV in several weeks.
Report jamesdean August 4, 2020 5:55 PM BST
aye, shambles on and off all day
Report Wesdag August 4, 2020 5:58 PM BST
And they suspend off the LV

phucking jokers
Report thurnscoe thunder August 4, 2020 6:00 PM BST
Think its now believable that its taken Racing Tv 8 weeks to try and rectify the stream latency, and it could be another 8 weeks. On todays evidence I think thats a very optimistic outlook
Report puzzledpunter August 5, 2020 3:13 PM BST
its very quiet is the stream playing well ?
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 3:17 PM BST
no.

it's about a million miles behind those with faster pictures...

thanx for asking tho.
Report thebootman August 5, 2020 4:55 PM BST
Sadly I have no new update, the new stream seems to be a few weeks away yet. A quick question

Given how fair people perceive the in running markets to be when the RTV low latency stream fails to load, how would people feel if it was turned off until it is ready? Therefore everyone is relying on RTV pictures via SKY only, or the high latency stream on BLV.

No idea whether it could be just generally curious.
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:03 PM BST
how would people feel if it was turned off until it is ready?

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delighted thebootman...

either that or bin all the silly nonsense 'add-ons' we didn't have during the trial which now seems to be causing the issues...

all the graphics garbage nobody wants...

first preference for me is binning the LV until the fast one is ready tho...

absolutely.
Report duffy August 5, 2020 5:05 PM BST
What do you tell the people who don't have a RTV subscription and want to watch the race without betting I/R?
Report thebootman August 5, 2020 5:07 PM BST
Duffy - yes that's a very fair point. Any idea how many in runners out there don't have access to Sky via RTV? I'm aware of at least 2.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves August 5, 2020 5:09 PM BST
I'd prefer the stream to remain. I reckon half my profits come off people who are peering at an internet stream instead of a big, HD telly picture half a second later.
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:12 PM BST
What do you tell the people who don't have a RTV subscription and want to watch the race without betting I/R?

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and what do you tell people who should have a pretty fast stream by now and are being gazzumped race on race by folk with a faster stream or faster pictures at least...

as well as drones and all the other nonsense that goes on...
Report jamesdean August 5, 2020 5:12 PM BST
Would be even worse imo the bootman, there's no way it would be every stream that was gone, they'd still have the fast one
and that would just put the regular lv users even further behind using sky. Sky is only any use when EVERY STREAM is down including the raw one ofc
Report duffy August 5, 2020 5:13 PM BST
Laugh
Don't tell willie, he reckons if Stevie Wonder is ahead in the queue he'll beat you
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:13 PM BST
oh i agree EVERY stream would need to be down james...

but presumably if RTV LV is pulled then every stream would be down...

coz we've been repeatedly told there is no fast stream out there...
Report Wesdag August 5, 2020 5:13 PM BST
I don't have Sky so only use BFLV and I'm sure there's loads of others in the same boat.

So the the idea here is to disadvantage everyone who doesn't have Sky to create a level playing field?
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:14 PM BST
from June 2nd they should have just given us what they did in Feb/March...

and work on a solution to whatever issues they have been having...

that was common sense imv...
Report duffy August 5, 2020 5:14 PM BST
my reply was to SFBTW by the wayGrin
Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:16 PM BST
Wesdag...

it'll never happen anyway..

trust me on that.
Report Wesdag August 5, 2020 5:16 PM BST
what won't?
Report Wesdag August 5, 2020 5:17 PM BST
Given how fair people perceive the in running markets to be when the RTV low latency stream fails to load, how would people feel if it was turned off until it is ready? Therefore everyone is relying on RTV pictures via SKY only, or the high latency stream on BLV.

I was responding to this suggestion btw.
Report jamesdean August 5, 2020 5:18 PM BST

Aug 5, 2020 -- 5:14PM, HappyHibby wrote:


from June 2nd they should have just given us what they did in Feb/March...and work on a solution to whatever issues they have been having...that was common sense imv...


exactly, nail on head

Report HappyHibby August 5, 2020 5:19 PM BST
they won't pull RTV BLV so that ch426 is all people sat at home doing the right thing have...

no chance will they do that.
Report jamesdean August 5, 2020 5:20 PM BST
The bootman, I'd be asking them why this hasn't happened if you already aint ofc


from June 2nd they should have just given us what they did in Feb/March...and work on a solution to whatever issues they have been having...that was common sense imv...
Report Willie Shafter. August 5, 2020 5:49 PM BST
Given how fair people perceive the in running markets to be when the RTV low latency stream fails to load, how would people feel if it was turned off until it is ready?

bootman trying his hand at comedy Laugh
Report dustybin August 5, 2020 6:24 PM BST
People hold on
Ive just read they are giving Octupuses MDMA with fantastic results
No c0unt will care about anything once we all get the green light to legally get spannered
Report ItsMeSwaddle August 5, 2020 7:59 PM BST
Surely the bigger picture is drones and bots.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 5, 2020 8:30 PM BST
I have no issue with bots unless they operate without the 1 second delay. Regular bots provide much needed liquidity.
Report Willie Shafter. August 5, 2020 10:48 PM BST
more comedy gold ^
Report Willie Shafter. August 5, 2020 10:48 PM BST
its the only liquidity.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 5, 2020 10:55 PM BST
The in-running markets would have collapsed a long time ago without the in-house bots seeding the market. The issue is whether they are operating fairly or not which is why the 1 second delay should be removed.
Report Willie Shafter. August 5, 2020 11:01 PM BST
jack,are you really this naive?
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 5, 2020 11:05 PM BST
In what way I am naive? Please educate me.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 5, 2020 11:05 PM BST
In what way I am naive? Please educate me.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 5, 2020 11:11 PM BST
It is my belief that most bets on here are not matched peer to peer but are matched against the in-house bot. The point is that I don't think the bot should have an extra second to decide whether to match my bet. If I click on a price I want my bet matched at that precise time, not one second later when circumstances have changed.

Do you disagree with that?
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 12:33 AM BST
The issue is whether they are operating fairly
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 12:37 AM BST
its a business jack..now a skilfully honed bot..and it will eradicate most people fairly easily.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 6, 2020 12:38 AM BST
I don't believe they are which is why I want the 1 second delay removed. Now you tell me if there is anything you disagree with and we can have a debate if you think you are up to it.
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 1:52 AM BST
you can have a million that happens Laugh
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 6, 2020 2:05 AM BST
I didn't say I expect it to happen. In fact, I was surprised when they asked for opinions on the forum about removing the the delay a couple of years ago. I said I want it to happen to make things fairer and more transparent, but I won't be holding my breath. Betfair always seem to take the short term view on how to maximise their profits.
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 10:59 AM BST
and the most clinical route..
Report thurnscoe thunder August 6, 2020 1:24 PM BST
thebootman05 Aug 20 16:55Joined: 22 Jan 04 | Topic/replies: 372 | Blogger: thebootman's blog
Sadly I have no new update, the new stream seems to be a few weeks away yet. A quick question


Does this mean that you have been informed its still actively being planned
Report ItsMeSwaddle August 6, 2020 2:30 PM BST
Can i get a price everything is magically sorted around the time the public are allowed back?
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 3:01 PM BST
what would the relevance in that be?
Report Captain carnage August 6, 2020 3:07 PM BST
Bootman - I would be massively against suspending the current faster feed, it just puts us further behind our hardest competitors.

The multiple drones and callers at tracks are already around 1sec ahead at RacingTV and 1.5secs ahead at Sky tracks so putting ourselves around another 0.5
behind is madness.

Also as people have said, its naive to think someone wont get a faster stream anyway.
Report ItsMeSwaddle August 6, 2020 3:33 PM BST

Aug 6, 2020 -- 3:01PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


what would the relevance in that be?


Those that are acquiring the faster pics also acquire racecourse boxes to trade from on race days, the same group of people, once they are allowed back on course, RTV get the green light to magically "fix" the problem, by then they have what they used too from the hospitality boxes, not all of you are at it...but a select few are.

Pure speculation obviously.

Havent really kept up with the thread, do you still maintain nobody has fast pictures anywhere Willie? ty

Report ItsMeSwaddle August 6, 2020 3:33 PM BST
Used to have*
Report Willie Shafter. August 6, 2020 3:37 PM BST
there are 4-5 drones squads..many callers trackside..still ft at selective tracks where big screen is accessible..only needs 1 faster clicker to make it look impossible.
Report thebootman August 6, 2020 6:39 PM BST
Thanks for the replies.

The new low latency stream is still actively planned, though when we eventually get it is another question. I have written to both parties saying that we have been very patient waiting for more than 2 months for RTV to get the stream right. If it's still not ready, take the graphics off and give us the stream we had in February until such time as it's sorted. Otherwise the drones, facetimers et al are just going to continue to stifle a great product.

There is a meeting between Betfair and RTV tomorrow, hopefully Betfair will provide an update,
Report Wesdag August 6, 2020 6:51 PM BST
thanks bootman
Report HappyHibby August 6, 2020 8:06 PM BST
thanx bootman....

i have yet to discover anyone who replied in the RTV survey months ago that they wanted the silly graphics...

certainly nobody i know wanted them then or wants them now...

strange how the ATR LV comes graphicless but RTV feels we need graphics to tell us things like 'the jockey has won this race 0 times in the last 5 years'..

absolutely laughable imv...
Report HappyHibby August 6, 2020 8:09 PM BST
strange how the ATR LV comes graphicless but RTV feels we need graphics

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come to think of it...

have you asked that Q bootman...?
Report dustybin August 7, 2020 9:59 AM BST
The irony being that unless anything has changed since the lockdown (and post Flash) ATR don’t have graphics and yet are even slower than RTV LV that do have graphics.

The principle of the logic to this matter should be very simple; anything that delays the actual picture speed of either actually encourages the black market.

The LV in general shouldn’t be the vehicle that informs gamblers as to their selection, that sort of information is available elsewhere, the role of the LV is to offer as fast a service as possible showing the race...that’s all.

It reminds me of the ‘smart TV’, that combo device that tried to be a tv, a music system and a sort of computer....it was awful at all three things. Specialised equipment should focus on doing their most important job.
Report HappyHibby August 7, 2020 11:46 AM BST
anything that delays the actual picture speed of either actually encourages the black market.

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correct dustybin...

not only does it encourage a black market...

the lowlife's and vagabonds demand a black market so they have an 'edge' as they call it...
Report HappyHibby August 7, 2020 11:46 AM BST
The LV in general shouldn’t be the vehicle that informs gamblers as to their selection

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absolutely correct also dustybin...
Report dustybin August 7, 2020 12:30 PM BST
I'd still like them to tell me why they cant have, as part of their established online video, a no frills fast product that costs say £20 per month access, or £10 to RTV channel subscribers?

They obviously dont know the sort of money swilling around paying for boxes, drone or FT pics eachday.
Report HappyHibby August 7, 2020 12:41 PM BST
their website should have a super fast dedicated feed either to every track or the RTV feed as per ch426...

the feed they have on at the moment is from the dark ages...

an added £10 or £20 per month would be well within most folks pocket...

no idea why they don't do it...

all seems very strange to me...

and i'm still not convinced ch426 or ch874 is as fast as it could be...

especially ch874...
Report screaming from beneaththewaves August 7, 2020 12:46 PM BST
Well, RTV is owned by the racecourses. Perhaps they're making so much from the boxholders that they don't want to rock the boat. (I'm being semi-facetious here.)
Report HappyHibby August 7, 2020 12:58 PM BST
not making much from them since March...

and unlikely to make much from them for a while yet i would suggest...
Report dustybin August 7, 2020 1:11 PM BST
Even if it were down to that (and I'd be skeptical)
They and the courses are on an ever more difficult battle against providers of illicit pics
Chasing ft'ers, slowing certain screens or trying to find and stop drone users.

It's a simply way of redirecting all that revenue into the pockets of 'racing'
Report HappyHibby August 7, 2020 1:19 PM BST
the black market pictures provided by vermin must be a huge some of money...

money that could easily be kept in racing and added to prizemoney or improving facilities at racecourses...

very strange it doesn't happen imv...
Report Willie Shafter. August 7, 2020 2:32 PM BST
sum*
Report boga August 8, 2020 2:50 PM BST
i/r betting is playing like it's a Monday card never seen liquidity so dire on a Saturday, but to be fair these are the worst i/r tracks by a country mile to play on Betfair LV
Report cheburekito August 8, 2020 4:31 PM BST
^ had exact same thoughts about liquidity
Report cheburekito August 8, 2020 4:40 PM BST
becoming a layer was probably the worst decision of my eternity, they are like dying breed
Report Big Cat August 9, 2020 5:00 PM BST
I understand that RTV use Perform Group as their Streaming Service Provider
Report DOUBLED August 9, 2020 5:39 PM BST
DAZN ?
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