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29 Apr 20 13:34
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an interesting chat to have on in the background   https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/oddscrackers/id/14181164

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By:
scrabbler
When: 29 Apr 20 16:04
Worth listening to - not all about Frankie's miraculous day. Interesting views on the failing attraction of actually going racing now most bookies are just "green up" arbers.
By:
stewarty b
When: 29 Apr 20 16:17
Anybody else think Pat Eddery didn't try too hard in the last race?
By:
GAZO
When: 29 Apr 20 16:21
he was the only one who tried
By:
stewarty b
When: 29 Apr 20 16:24
That may be true but I've seen Eddery in 'full flow' and it appeared to me that was not the case in the last.
By:
chavman
When: 29 Apr 20 16:30
having a slash stew?
By:
stewarty b
When: 29 Apr 20 16:39
Yes, but it's turned into a headache now.Cry
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 29 Apr 20 17:23
welched on 200/1 ew terrimon ?
By:
grayhawk
When: 30 Apr 20 21:58
Gary thinks all the punters love Thommo TV at Chelmsford and they could do with someone like him at the likes of  Ludlow Shocked...god forbid
By:
mmmalushka
When: 01 May 20 07:39
Perverse that he robbed the Terimon ew punters and much later sells his house to honour his debts
to Corals after laying Fujiyama Crest at Ascot.
By:
sparrow
When: 01 May 20 07:59
What is this Terimon story?  Never heard of this before.
By:
G Hall
When: 01 May 20 10:38
I thought he came across as a decent guy
By:
hologon
When: 01 May 20 11:09
Re.Terimon was a large price but he paid restricted odds 4/1 a place  he said
By:
chavman
When: 01 May 20 11:35
31.50 into the podcast
By:
ribero1
When: 01 May 20 11:46
90 % of books will have pulled strokes on the hill in those days.
By:
sparrow
When: 01 May 20 11:56
That's disgusting regards Terimon and will have to revise my opinion of the man.
By:
sparrow
When: 01 May 20 11:57
Thanks hologon, by the way.
By:
mmmalushka
When: 01 May 20 12:04
He laid Terimon at 200/1 and when he found out he had a liability of £35 at 40/1 the places he put
a sign up on his board of maximum 4/1 odds a place when the fav is odds on.
By:
truehoncho
When: 01 May 20 12:14
I knew Gary many moons ago when he had a book at Oxford dogs. When the BAGS meetings started ALLEGEDLY he would have people betting in the the big 4 bookies around the country and would push out the SP at the death.
By:
sparrow
When: 01 May 20 13:07
mmmalushka
01 May 20 11:04
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He laid Terimon at 200/1 and when he found out he had a liability of £35 at 40/1 the places he put
a sign up on his board of maximum 4/1 odds a place when the fav is odds on



If he can't pay by the proper place market rules then he should have been "win only".  No one forces them to accept EW  bets.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 01 May 20 14:32
He should have hedged the each way bets and accepted a loss. The same as any bookmaker does if they lay one too heavily at too big a price.
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 01 May 20 16:41
He has absolutely hit the nail on the head.

Why would you want to go and bet with the on course bookmakers when anything unfavourable to them they look at you like a piece of filth.

Bar PC payers the bookmakers have no product.
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 01 May 20 16:43
Also I agree with the above.

You certainly do NOT need an on course pratt per course.
By:
pablo-fanque
When: 01 May 20 16:59
Interesting views on the failing attraction of actually going racing now most bookies are just "green up" arbers.

there are a few bookmakers on this forum who will be along to shortly to disagree with that
By:
twizzle22
When: 02 May 20 09:42
Many thanks Wolf for posting the link.I thoroughly enjoyed listening to GW chatting away about the" good ol days"..really fascinating.Also the Michael Holding interview was a great listen.Excellent podcasts hosted by john Babb and Sam Turner which i have subsequently bookmarked. John and Sam both have a dearth of Sporting knowledge and are superb interviewers.
By:
G Hall
When: 02 May 20 10:32
Twizzle I am sure you would enjoy the steve smith eccles and Terry Norman interviews as well
By:
twizzle22
When: 02 May 20 11:06
Thanks G...I'm currently listening to the Ed Freemantle interview but i will catch up on the two you recommend when its finished.
By:
chavman
When: 02 May 20 11:49
think GW didnt quite get the alan bradley bit near the end of the interview.
By:
Ramruma
When: 02 May 20 17:39
... wealth of sporting knowledge, not dearth.
By:
chavman
When: 02 May 20 19:01
dearth vader?
By:
ambush
When: 02 May 20 23:51
to be fair regarding terimon they had a tank of 800 quid. won 350 on the win book place part on terimon would cost them  1400 cacoethes was third cost them another 100 or so....id imagine they be lynched out on the downs if they ran out of money trying to pay everyone correctly....different times. remember no betfair or computers them days hard to keep track of the bets on a busy day in the ledger. id imagine they thought it was 70 pounds found
By:
Gibberish
When: 03 May 20 02:38
Anyone reckon that the fat twát is a lying lard-árse? 

Just pondering over that Terimon tale...does anyone think the fat-faced fcuk is bullshítting and embellishing a story?
I just had a check as I thought Nashwan was odds against, around 11/8 - he was returned 5/4 so that nonsense about being odds-on
is just balls, as it never was at any stage if memory serves - it was built up at the time as a big duel between him & Cacoethes.

As for Terimon...its SP was 500/1 and 1000 was freely available pre-race, as I remember thinking what scum (as usual) the bookies were
for only returning 500 on a rag with no chance - he said he laid at just 200 and paid 4/1 a place - 1/50th odds...Come racing! Crazy

Even thinking what he spoke about suggests to me that he's a heavyweight ****...and undoubtedly a tight-ársed welsher - makes you
think there's more than a grain of truth when he mentioned another bookie who advised someone not to bet with him as he wouldn't pay.

Then there was that tall tale about having £250 E/W at 200/1 Norton's Coins (sic) - he also said he 'thinks' he shared it! Really? Confused
That's the type of bet you'd NEVER forget! Everyone knows it was 100/1 but he wasn't even crowing about getting double the price - I smell shíte.

Furthermore...no reasoning at all as to why he backed it - "I just fancied it" he said - despite as everyone knows that it didn't have a
realistic prayer! That is the bet of a compulsive gambler with money to burn, like Terry Ramsden...not a bookmaker!
If by some miracle he did place such a bet...he was laying it off - guaranteed!

He came across as very disingenuous throughout, especially later on when he was saying how much he deplored other bookmakers who cheer when there's an 'Annie Power' incident. Really? I could imagine his screams to be the loudest.

And to think I previously thought he was OK and didn't deserve all the flak he used to get - there wasn't enough of it!
He deserves to have been 36 stone!

I know I've got my sizist head on tonight but he's fcukin' filth and deserves it all Angry

PS - I'll save anyone wasting 90 minutes by having to endure his guff - the only aspect of interest was
right at the beginning when talking about on-course arbers using Bumfair who don't take any chances.

That said...thanks for the link Wolf - there may well be better podcasts in future.
By:
sparrow
When: 03 May 20 08:17
ambush
02 May 20 22:51
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to be fair regarding terimon they had a tank of 800 quid. won 350 on the win book place part on terimon would cost them  1400 cacoethes was third cost them another 100 or so....id imagine they be lynched out on the downs if they ran out of money trying to pay everyone correctly....different times. remember no betfair or computers them days hard to keep track of the bets on a busy day in the ledger. id imagine they thought it was 70 pounds found



I'm sure Gary Selby would not have had trouble keeping track of the bets that day, ambush. Any decent clerk back then would have managed that quite comfortably without the aid of a computer.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 03 May 20 10:33
I was at Wolverhampton one afternoon, and closely observing the Ring as the horses went down to the start. A horse I wanted to back had started to drift badly. Wiltshire had pushed it out to the biggest price of all, so I went up to him asking for my usual £150 bet.

Now, I'm deaf, and Gary knows this, and he hesitated, said something to me with a sympathetic look on his face, and pointed to the far side of the track, where the horse I wanted to back was running away with its rider. Obviously the commentator must have alerted everybody, but Gary knew I wouldn't have heard that.

I thanked him very much and avoided backing the horse, which finished tailed off.

So, whatever he might have got up to when times were tough (and I'm not at all comfortable with his behaviour regarding Terimon on the face of it), by the time he'd become a big player in the Ring, he was a proper bloke as far as I was concerned.
By:
geordie1956
When: 03 May 20 10:36
I agree that Wiltshire comes out of the interview very badly ... to admit to cheating as he does does not reflect well on the Bookmaking Industry even if it happened a long time ago ... they have always had a bad reputation & this merely reinforces it. Sad that the interviwers didn't quiz him on it either & seemed to regard it all with a bit of hilarity .. how the hell do you get punters to go to race meetings when things like this happen ... its cheating and in a nasty way.

The fat fella comes across as a right kernt
By:
chavman
When: 03 May 20 10:56
seems to me he likes embellishing his stories a bit
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 03 May 20 11:24
If he was up to pulling strokes like the Terimon debacle it's no wonder he made it to the 'big' ring.
Maybe Karma caught up with him in the end.
By:
twizzle22
When: 03 May 20 11:51
Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton.He was a one man band and at the time could ill afford to lose that ton.Looks like Gibberish and geordie are correct in their assumption.
By:
now wheres that switch!!!
When: 03 May 20 13:13
knocked for a ton..!!  The bookmakers these days knock for 10 times that on a daily basis. They are the worst the industry has ever had. Should be made to lay any bet to lose a minimum of £5k or have their licenses revoked. Simple.. get traders that have both knowledge and some balls. No palpable error messages, make a book, get the book right and stop hedging. If they can’t afford the liability.. then go and do something else.
By:
twizzle22
When: 03 May 20 13:24
I agree...get rid of BOG, stop closing accounts on a whim and start laying .Stop trying to cajole people into the casino area you utter fcking knuts.
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