Racing to RETURN guess date?

Racing is an industry and a very important one at that.

If we are going the phase route and phase 1 begins Monday then 3 weeks takes us to phase 2 on 1st June, which still brings it in play for the market.
Got to be 50/50 it’s phase 2 or 3.
Probably more favouring 2 than 3 at the minute because they’d no doubt have football clubs back training by 1st June if that plan goes ahead,
On that sort of logic and the fact they could let them go 23rd or so I’d favour it should be slight odds in 1st June or before.

Ireland are confusing me, I get it’s been a bank holiday but what’s going off ?
Lobbying now for 4 full days if Saturday included as we were led to believe.
I understand we’re told nothing but to have trainers breaking rank saying they’ve been told nothing, I simply can’t believe the contempt the governing body has for its members.

Surely it doesn’t take 4 days to make a decision on it, or am I missing something, is it committees and more committees before Varadker makes a decision

Unless we have 3 more weeks of lockdown and then start out phases which would be horrendous on an industry level if it was phase 3 and they were 3 week cycles it would be in July sometime.
We are like bloody mushrooms in this country no one tells us anything
Treated like kids and morons

will be an interesting 2-3 weeks

These Traffic Light systems and phased starts that the Sun Newspapers keep printing to the public is a fking disgrace. The science to this particular virus changes daily, as do the politics. The tabloid newspapers should be ashamed of themselves disgusting behaviour.

As bad as the tabloids are (and they are) its more depressing that people read them!!

Looks like the bugger is gonna flip. june 1st market that is.

Racing enthusiasts who lumped on the yes may receive a double whammy No Racing & No Betting Bank left!

i backed no @4s on here, and cashed out about 4 days ago

Recon she might have a star waiting to run? Grounds about right

HRI breaks silence by announcing proposal to resume racing earlier than June 29

HRI breaks silence by announcing proposal to resume racing earlier than June 29

Who are the optimists continually giving value in the “no” June market?! 8/11 is still huge value now after today’s announcements (which were completely predictable if you ignore the media and listen to those in charge). Some brave layers out there!

If phase 1 starts on Monday then phase 2 will be 1st June. There could be every chance it falls on that day.
Agree May looks off the table, think it’ll take 10-14 days to be up and running and the Government won’t give anything the chance to open Bank Holiday week.

Thurnscoe don’t forget the BHA then need 7 days min to get the ball rolling

They’d already know the date was my presumption and so it would already be in place for a restart on the day given. Suppose in this game presuming something would be wrong lol

I have heard that several organisations are preparing to reopen on Monday and have been talking to Government. Not racing but wildlife reserves etc. Will it go ahead or is it a false dawn?

Thurn good point imo with June 1st being a Monday that really does have every chance of being the date.

Therapeutic Horse racing could start earlier if they can rent some private Ambulances

one meeting a day in UK and the same in Ireland? behind closed doors until seen fit? Betfair no problem bookmakers on high street could stay closed?

TV coverage for those still on wait?

Trouble is the plonkers are a bit nervous after Chelters?

Ya just know we're gonna have to live with this virus.

Russian Roulette  folks , sorry

You want a laugh, David Yates The Mirror

Newcastle to stage Britain's horse racing comeback after coronavirus suspension

The British Horseracing Authority has inked in Gosforth Park on Friday May 15 for the sport's resumption
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BY DAVID YATES
21:37, 7 MAY 2020UPDATED21:40, 7 MAY 2020

So Government gives go ahead at 7pm on the 11th, meeting between BHA and other parties is due on the 12th, that would mean 3 day decs confirmed and meetings for implementing recommendations etc between all racecourse participants all done on Wednesday and Thursday so we can race Friday. Hmmm

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/newcastle...

2.44 before june 1st..has yatesy had the lot on?

it will be cold

a day after the message 404 where is everbody gets fixed because they would not dare that going on with english racing  or  WOULD THEY ? .

On a different sport Football. I think today we might hear an announcement that it isnt safe in the UK to re-start.

Despite impending announcement of Bojo this sunday evening at 7pm the odds for UK horse racing to begin on or before 1st June is 1.62 (No); 2.5 (Yes). Lots on offer to begin. Insider betting?

Really surprised to read on a forum such as this, suggestions that racing is simply a 'leisure activity'. Naivety in the extreme. Its a huge international industry involving breeding, training, racing, gambling, veterinary care, sponsorship, hospitality, etc., etc.

100,000 people employed in this 'leisure activity', many of who's jobs are now seriously at risk.

But, too many deadwood; needs a good trim.

I meant a radical pruning.

Trident08 May 20 08:18Joined: 05 May 07
On a different sport Football. I think today we might hear an announcement that it isnt safe in the UK to re-start


Funnily enough Trident, one of those who will no doubt oppose the restarting of football and create more scare stories will be the BBC, are actually showing a live match this morning starting at 10.50 am on their app and website!.....



BBC....'Welcome to live TV and text coverage of Jeonbuk Motors v Suwon Bluewings in the 2020 season K League opener from South Korea'

Impossible do you actually know anything at all about horse racing?

I like to think so...I do win more than I lose. Can that be accepted as knowledge personify? I'm just clinical, and view the run-of-the-mill mid-week races as fodder for the modern-day bookies - the bloodsuckers of the sport.

What about the smaller owners and the smaller trainers and jockeys just starting out ,ascot,Newmarket and Cheltenham is probably out of there reach what would you do with them ?

Do you bet on the midweek cannon fodder ?

No but my horses race there and pay a few wages. Cannon fodder!!! Try and buy one. I expect Man U fans think the same about league one and two teams.

Betfair opened a new market for Racing on or before the 1st August. Maybe a strong signal we could be a while away from a resumption, possibly late June?

Odds for a "No" before or on 1st June has shortened; 1.62 to 1.54. I think this speaks volume. But, long odds-on for before or 1st July though; 1.21 (Yes) against 5.6 (No).

long odds-on for before or 1st July though; 1.21 (Yes) Who would be confident about 1.21? As I said these betting markets are guessing imo.

May looks out

A problem may be the UKs testing and app ability , would imagine they need to be in a good position to make anything operate safer and that will be 2/3 wks yet

also new infections per day would likely need to drop to sub 1000

May looks out

A problem may be the UKs testing and app ability , would imagine they need to be in a good position to make anything operate safer and that will be 2/3 wks yet

also new infections per day would likely need to drop to sub 1000

Impossible

Were my two questions a bit to tricky for you ?

I realise you might struggle with the first one ,but I didn’t think the second one was to difficult.

Like many, i want racing UK to return soon (ideally after June 1st for financial reasons ) but when it does it has to be introduced gradually at all levels, not just the cream at the top.

I'm not a fan of the AW, but racing caters for all needs and why should those associated with low grade runners be made to suffer more than elite owners of group horses.

Most of us like a fillet steak and fries, but sometimes a simple Tuna salad is also good

Hello Andrew hope your keeping safe ,would there be anything going on where you are today regarding VE Day ?

thought the bha's road map was nearly all handicaps for the first week of resumption
so plenty of latitude there for the poorer quality horse

and andrew if racing returned two weeks earlier you could surely win more in that time than you
would on your june 1st bet!!!

Foxy,



Oddly enough no, even the Bierkellers around Marienplatz are closed

Isleham

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I actually layed at 2.24 a while ago, so i didn't get the low odds, i think it has been under 1.4 since ?

I thought it might be a daft question,round here it’s wonderful so much colour the sun is out and people are ready to party at a safe distance of course.

andrew..as a thorough horse racing man you really should not be betting on no racing happening..poor show
you really should be wanting it back as soon as possible (only a gentle chastisement though)

Sunshine here too, 26c. You may have heard Germany is opening slowly although masks are compulsory on all public transportation, many shops and including the hairdressers. I suspect this is going to be with us for many months.

I was wondering if the RAF would send a squadron of Lancasters for a fly past over the city to celebrate VE day

Isleham

You are totally correct, but it was an opinion a while back and i saw an opportunity to hopefully make a few bob based on the situation as i saw it.

As much as i want racing on, it's not my decision of course. Maybe if Clement Freud was Prime Minister we would have had more chance.

I would have loved to be able to bet on the 2000 Guineas last Saturday, i had already planned to come over, maybe meeting up with Happysandwich and Lucky Luciano.

ive already missed/ing attending cheltenham(april),craven meeting,punchestown,guineas(2),york(dante),Derby/Oaks,july meeting(probably),glorious goodwood(most likely)and Ebor meeting(likely) so times are very hard

Blimey isleham wasn’t you going to best one ?

Not seen a Lancaster today Andrew and they were built around here,spitfire over Dover and typhoons over Cardiff ,Belfast and Edinburgh.

Each to his/her own.

1/14 before 1st August any money buyers about.

stay safe
Ronnie.

1/14 pre-tax? Nah, unless one is able to do a win double eg before/1st July and 1st Aug; a 2nd wave is not totally out of the question either.

just back in Foxy..please amplify for me??

August 1st

if CLEMENT FREUD was pm we would have had more chance

Galway??..member at Goodwood so don't do both..though we had a runner there(jumps) a few years ago..not a great experience

Royal ascot isleham is the one I meant perhaps you will go to Galway in 2021

Not a great experience the fixture or the horse ?

didnt particularly enjoy the course and the horse ran like a drain..of course it was trained by a very prominent english jumps trainer and subsequent events proved he couldnt lay straight in bed at night!!..draw your own conclusions

incidently havent done RA for years..prefer the television though changing from RUK to Sky was
a mighty backward step

I’ve been to Galway but not the festival and to be honest have never really fancied it.for all the things we are going to miss royal ascot will be the hardest for me and I prefer national hunt,absolutely love the place.

Betting turned around since Boris spoke. Now odds on to resume by the end of May!

Crazy! Piling in again on No!

People seem to forget the distancing issues majorly apparent in racing and the issues with stalls handlers and jockeys not wanting to isolatejust to have a return asap

There will be limited people in the ring to help give a foot up to the jockeys and no social distancing during the race, impossible to be otherwise. There are stringent rules about testing etc that will be in place in advance and a limit as to how many people can  be at the course who represent the horse, and other strict guidelines that have been agreed between the Government and the BHA. It works elsewhere and no reason why it shouldn't work here, imo of course.

It seems to me that if a construction worker can social distance then so can jockeys and other track workers. May not be back by 1st June but within a few days of it seems likely. Let's all stay positive!

Yes, lets remain positive. The Resumption of Racing Group will meet on Monday, we'll know more tomorrow at some stage I'm sure.

Yes, lets remain positive. The Resumption of Racing Group will meet on Monday, we'll know more tomorrow at some stage I'm sure.

Heading to High Holbern. On a bus.

Over here in Newmarket there’s no paired galloping up the Heath. Therefore how can a race honestly be ran without interfering that distancing ruling.

Stalls handlers are going to be required to break this rule also, or isolate from families.

As Boris says “You can play sports but only with people from your household” so looks likely that these race meets will all have to hole up together in a hotel? And then how does that play out in terms of hospitality?

People keep referring to other countries. We have a hugely different rate of death and a very stringent government on this way out of lockdown compared with anywhere else.

By the time racing gets going the rules would have eased again. It's just about getting started, I'm sure most people that work in racing will be happy to make a sacrifice for a week or three.

ttt

No sport until the 1st June.

British racing will not be allowed to resume this month after the government confirmed professional sport, even behind closed doors, will not be staged in England until June 1 at the earliest.

The government on Monday published a 50-page guidance document detailing how the UK will begin to ease lockdown measures.

Step two of the government's three-part strategy cannot be introduced before June 1 and will include "permitting cultural and sporting events to take place behind closed doors for broadcast, while avoiding the risk of large-scale social contact".

Thats in the Racing Post, doesnt seem to be affecting the market.

UK Racing To Resume On Or Before 1st June!

It's all about the 1st June, because we know it will not resume before the 1st June!

Strange that the price for racing to begin before the end of May has just shortened from 2.56 into 2.18?

Strange that the price for racing to begin before the end of May has just shortened from 2.56 into 2.18? People greening up!

Or bots!!!!!

strange market

one day to play with yet its about 50/50

BHA Press Release:

ISSUED ON BEHALF OF BRITISH HORSERACING’S EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

Senior executives from British horseracing have welcomed the publication of a timeline for the potential resumption of sporting events by the UK government today.

In its document, Our Plan to Rebuild, the government said it planned for sporting and cultural events to resume behind closed doors as part of the second step of lifting the current restrictions.

This will take place from Monday 1st June at the earliest. Until this time, it says, restrictions currently in place around such events will continue.

This date is subject to an assessment by public health officials of the risks posed by the virus at that time and is conditional on the fulfilment of the government’s five tests for easing lockdown measures.

Racing’s Executive Committee, which includes the British Horseracing Authority, the Racecourse Association, The Racehorse Owners’ Association and the National Trainers Federation, committed to plan for resumption on June 1st.

They agreed that a timeline setting out what racing would need to do to meet that date will be published within the next seven days.

The Resumption of Racing Group will meet later this week and ensure that race planning and the provisional fixture programme, including the scheduling of the Classics and other flagship races, meet the new government timeline.

Racing has already drawn up plans for resumption based on minimising risk for participants through robust social distancing and strict infection control measures. Discussions with Public Health England and Chief Medical Officers from sports including horseracing will also continue.

This has involved the development of new processes and protocols, which will require significant adjustments to ‘normal’ race-day practices. The sport will be focusing its efforts during the remainder of May on finalising and agreeing these changes across the industry and supporting everyone to understand and adopt them.

The document also says that reopening venues that attract large crowds, such as sports stadia, ‘may only be fully possible significantly later depending on the reduction in numbers of infections’ but it gives no specific timeline.

The UK Government says it is working with the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales to coordinate the easing of lockdown restrictions where possible. The BHA’s Public Affairs team continues to liaise with politicians and officials in Scotland and Wales to progress resumption at the earliest opportunity.

As that was posted Yes to resume by the end of May was just matched at 1.39???? What is going on?

Is it possible for one of the devolved parliaments to ease restrictions and allow the BHA to begin racing before the 1st of June I wonder?

its INCLUSIVE of 1st June.

Hi kevinglass, I've lived in Italy for the best part of ten years so may be a bit behind the times where the UK is concerned but the way I was reading the situation is that the document released by the Government today covered just England, not the whole of the UK, maybe I'm wrong but thats the way it seemed to me. Therefore I was asking would it be possible for one of the devolved governments to ease their own restrictions and allow the BHA to stage racing in their country before the 1st of June.

There has to be a reason why the betting for racing to start in the UK before the end of May is currently 1.48 or so.

Now I'm with you , sorry ignore my last post.

No worries. But since you are in Italy, you might have missed the fact that the devolved gov'ts will do anything to try and look different to Westminster.

Whatever Boris does, it plays right into their narrative to oppose it.

The SNP/Welsh Labour clearly are right when they say staying home is safest. It's also safest to stay home to avoid getting run over, being mugged etc etc.

Wales & Scotland will have to ease restrictions soon too, but they just want to be able to look more caring than Boris. So racing would be a long way down any list they have.

The give away is when Sturgeon/Drakeford, say things like "I don't want to play politics...….however"

Right then, they've been chomping at the bit with a press release every other day stating what they want to do if and when, well now they've got that date and plenty of time to get everything ready to go on June 1st, so go on, get it done.

p.s. let's hope the rate of infection doesn't go through the roof!!

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Wesdag fav to cop with June 1st
Second Again might be second again.
Foxy "good guess in the first place"
Sam Quentin not a mile off.

You are been very generous to scientific experts,not convinced they want this to finish.

By the way swaddle can’t you count?

I cant fkn wait till 2000 guineas tbh

can only compare it to a child night before xmas