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22 Mar 20 15:27
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Coronavirus chaos at UK borders as up to 7,500 visitors arrive in Britain from the three nations with highest death tolls - and flights from Italy, China and Iran are still landing despite lockdown


Thousands of passengers from Italy, China and Iran arrived in Britain this week
Flights from Rome, Beijing and Shanghai have landed in London every day
British Airways, easyJet and Ryanair cancelled flights to Rome but route is open
European Union banned nearly all travellers from outside the bloc for 30 days


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139529/Flights-Italy-Iran-China-landing-Britain-despite-UK-coronavirus-lockdown.html#reader-comments



Lockdown means nothing here in UK

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By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 15:34
its madness , as is internal uk travel to tourist hotspots , folk fleeing city etc

im fairly sure all theses imbeciles will trigger the final measure , border closures and a kind of French style lockdown

no option left
By:
boz2
When: 22 Mar 20 15:39
UK Lockdown in 4.00 Westminster (nap)
By:
slip5
When: 22 Mar 20 15:39
No one cares about loss of life as long as profits are in
By:
davidr
When: 22 Mar 20 15:40
Why is everything here in the UK, reactive, not proactive? I hate to say this, but Boris' government is losing the plot, not taking this seriously enough even now.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 22 Mar 20 15:43
Why do you read newspapers or watch the news ? it has no place in my life whatsoever . If something is going to happen it will . Get a life before you end up buried or cremated . DITCH ALL NEWS NOW .
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 15:44
davidr 22 Mar 20 14:40   



Why is everything here in the UK, reactive, not proactive? I hate to say this, but Boris' government is losing the plot, not taking this seriously enough even now



the herd immunity prog has sadly backfired I think and strategy re thought again

doesn't matter really , all that matters is taking responsibility as individuals now , its down to us
By:
boz2
When: 22 Mar 20 15:49
France is roughly a week ahead of us in terms of the virus and my French neighbour tells me Boris is almost parrotting Macron word for word, but delayed a few days, so expect a lockdown announcement today or tomorrow.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 22 Mar 20 15:50
Human beings are appalling creatures . You only have to look at the shyte that goes on on social media . These scumbags who have emptied shelves - this pandemic has unmasked them all . Nothing short of animalistic . DOG EAT DOG and I'M ALRIGHT JACK spring to mind .
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 15:50
inevitable mate
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 22 Mar 20 15:54

Mar 22, 2020 -- 9:40AM, davidr wrote:


Why is everything here in the UK, reactive, not proactive? I hate to say this, but Boris' government is losing the plot, not taking this seriously enough even now.


Keep reading comments online describing their job as "excellent", "outstanding", etc. Jeez, I'd hate to see their descriptions of an average or even awful job.

By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 22 Mar 20 15:55
There are always alternative views:

March 22, 2020 (I)

Regarding the situation in Italy: Most major media again falsely reported that Italy yesterday had 797 deaths from the coronavirus. In reality, the president of the Italian Civil Protection Service stressed that these are deaths „with the coronavirus and not from the coronavirus“ (minute 03:30 of the press conference). In other words, these persons died while also testing positive.

As world renowned Professors Ioannidis and Bhakdi have shown, countries like South Korea and Japan that introduced no lockdown measures have experienced near-zero excess mortality in connection with Covid-19, while the Diamond Princess cruise ship experienced an extra­polated mortality figure in the per mille range, i.e. at or below the level of the seasonal flu.

Current test-positive death figures in Italy are still less than 50% of normal daily overall mortality in Italy, which is around 1800 deaths per day. Thus it is possible, perhaps even likely, that a large part of normal daily mortality now simply counts as „Covid19“ deaths (as they test positive). This is the point stressed by the President of the Italian Civil Protection Service.

However, by now it is clear that certain regions in Northern Italy, i.e. those facing the toughest lockdown measures, are experiencing markedly increased daily mortality figures. It is also known that in the Lombardy region, 90% of test-positive deaths occur not in intensive care units, but instead mostly at home. And more than 99% have serious pre-existing health conditions.

Professor Sucharit Bhakdi has called lockdown measures „useless“, „self-destructive“ and a „collective suicide“. Thus the extremely troubling question arises as to what extent the increased mortality of these elderly, isolated, highly stressed people with multiple pre-existing health conditions may in fact be caused by the weeks-long lockdown measures still in force.

If so, it may be one of those cases where the treatment is worse than the disease.

March 22, 2020 (II)

In Switzerland, there are currently 56 test-positive deaths, all of whom were „high risk patients“ due to their advanced age and/or pre-existing health conditions. Their actual cause of death, i.e. from or simply with the virus, has not been communicated.
The Swiss government claimed that the situation in southern Switzerland (next to Italy) is „dramatic“, yet local doctors denied this and said everything is normal.
According to press reports, oxygen bottles may become scarce. The reason, however, is not a currently higher usage, but rather hoarding due to fear of future shortages.
In many countries, there is already an increasing shortage of doctors and nurses. This is primarily because healthcare workers testing positive have to self-quarantine, even though in many cases they will remain fully or largely symptom-free.
March 22, 2020 (III)

A model from Imperial College London predicted between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths in the UK „from“ Covid-19, but the authors of the study have now conceded that many of these deaths are part of the normal annual mortality rate, which in the UK is 600,000 people per year. „In short, they would have died anyway“, the BBC health correspondent writes.

Dr. David Katz, founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, asks in the New York Times: „Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease? There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.“
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 22 Mar 20 15:55

Mar 22, 2020 -- 9:49AM, boz2 wrote:


France is roughly a week ahead of us in terms of the virus and my French neighbour tells me Boris is almost parrotting Macron word for word, but delayed a few days, so expect a lockdown announcement today or tomorrow.


Unfortunately, I hope it does come to that.

In the west, it seems we live a life of utter luxury. Viruses don't know the size of a person's bank account. Freedom is actually our enemy here.

By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 22 Mar 20 15:58
Selfish people making their way down to their 2nd homes here in South Devon after flying around the world for the last couple of months. Sheer incompetence from our Government. I won't even mention how our Gov. after taking advice from the even more incompetent & corrupt WHO, allowed direct flights to and from Wuhan from as late as 28th JANUARY and even suggested that the "risk to the UK population was very low" and for travellers to Wuhan as "low" FFS!
By:
Brother Mouzone
When: 22 Mar 20 16:01
The lockdown is going to have to happen.

I live opposite a park and I've never seen it so busy, it's never been even close to this in the ten or so years I've lived here, I wondered what the feck was going on when I got up and the road was full with cars , it's fookin mental.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 22 Mar 20 16:05
Most folk are as thick as fyk . Sheeple is all they are . What the hell would they be like if it became a matter of life or death . PATHETIC .
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 16:05
tiger

seen this argument for many weeks , only a flu , they would have died anyway


its saying let them die as they would have anyway


not my kind of society mate tbh im voting save lives every time
By:
slip5
When: 22 Mar 20 16:12
The Corana virus is viscious more deadly than a snake cobra bite.
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 16:16
you could line 100,000 of them up and they wouldn't reach across a fingernail , reason masks only cut down the cough spray they don't eliminate it
By:
eeee aw
When: 22 Mar 20 16:41
Tiger - spot on.  Thanks for posting the common sense view. 

My question is, are they going to implement these draconian measures every winter to deal with the seasonal cold/flu viruses that spread throughout the population and, no doubt, affect the elderly with pre-existing health conditions more severely than others?  And why have they never introduced such draconian measures to deal with similar cold/flu viruses in the past?  This coneveryone virus is, after all, just another cold/flu virus strain that healthy people recover from in a couple of days.
By:
onlooker
When: 22 Mar 20 16:46
The immense ANOMALY here is - GERMANY

ITALY  -  53,578     Cases     =    4,825 DEATHS

SPAIN  -  28,572     Cases     =    1,753 DEATHS

FRANCE -  14,459     Cases     =     562 DEATHS

GERMANY - 22,364     Cases     =     84 DEATHS


Are ITALY and GERMANY recording the CAUSE of Death DIFFERENTLY - or WHAT is the reason?
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 22 Mar 20 16:49
In Germany they record the reason of death as the underlying illness, not the one that just 'sees them past the post'.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 22 Mar 20 16:49
Cos Germany have a very LOW threshold for saying its a
virus

Italy because they are very high % old pensioners

Wink
By:
casemoney
When: 22 Mar 20 16:50
Human beings are appalling creatures . You only have to look at the shyte that goes on on social media . These scumbags who have emptied shelves - this pandemic has unmasked them all . Nothing short of animalistic . DOG EAT DOG and I'M ALRIGHT JACK spring to mind .

Absolutely Spot , Found it shocking when I got to the supermarket Late on thursday

What happened to LUVVIE culture hypocritical Stains the Lot of them...
By:
chavman
When: 22 Mar 20 16:52
UK by their own admission have no statistics covering the overlap
By:
terry mccann
When: 22 Mar 20 16:54
Zealots is correct,stop watching the main stream news,they will only tell you what they want you to hear.And the bloody papers the same
By:
eeee aw
When: 22 Mar 20 16:57
Because it doesn't seem to matter about the anomalies in the official figures.  The great unwashed do not have enquiring minds and do not notice these things.  They will believe whatever they are told to believe by the controlled media.  End of.
By:
isleham
When: 22 Mar 20 16:59
between 15.55 and 16.00 5 flights from rome landed at heathrow..do not know if passengers got off but still food for thought
By:
hello :-)
When: 22 Mar 20 17:44
terry mccann 22 Mar 20 15:54   

Zealots is correct,stop watching the main stream news,they will only tell you what they want you to hear.And the bloody papers the same


terry mate you and others spend your lives looking at you tube vids and david icke


is this not news ? of a different sort

and also how do you know how to find the conspiracy if you don't know the story at the beginning ?
By:
carrot1960
When: 22 Mar 20 18:09
Australia closed the borders and there as of today only 7 deaths from the virus
By:
davidr
When: 22 Mar 20 18:10
Haven't they had more deaths from forest fires this year?
By:
impossible123
When: 22 Mar 20 18:15
^^
Utter ridiculous someone can compare deaths from forest fires to Covid-19 victims.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 22 Mar 20 18:20
Human beings are appalling creatures . You only have to look at the shyte that goes on on social media . These scumbags who have emptied shelves - this pandemic has unmasked them all

_____________________

unmasked  ? Laugh  life is like this the whole time  ,people's greed at others expense ...it pretty much sums up how society is at the very top but now the unwashed are getting in on the act because they are at liberty to behave like that    ...it's only apparent now because you can  physically see it
By:
davidr
When: 22 Mar 20 18:45
Why is a death from covid-19 any worse than a death from a Oz forest fire? Each hurts their loved ones equally.
By:
geordie1956
When: 22 Mar 20 18:45
To respond to the OP I must admit I think the only flights at the moment should be to bring UK residents back from different part of the world and any flights leaving the UK are to assist and repatriate holidaymakers back to their own place of residence
Other than these people the only other flights should be for those involved with the Coronavirus fight who might be liaising with their counterparts elsewhere
These aren't normal times & we must try to eliminate this pandemic asap with very restrictive measures some of which I'd prefer were not necessary ...
By:
geordie1956
When: 22 Mar 20 18:48
"Why is a death from covid-19 any worse than a death from a Oz forest fire? Each hurts their loved ones equally."

One is a natural disaster (depending on how you view climate change) the other is certainly of mans making and should have been avoidable! - the suffering of immediate families is aways the same of course
By:
Somerset Sam
When: 22 Mar 20 19:33
This virus has brought out the worst in people but to balance it out a bit the best as well.

The selfish panic buyers and those who either cannot or choose not, to follow basic instructions for everyone's benefit, are balanced out by the group of keyworkers **** putting their lives at risk to keep the country moving of sorts and trying to save those in dire need.
By:
Somerset Sam
When: 22 Mar 20 19:44
"Who are" is in place of the asterisks.Laugh
By:
onlooker
When: 22 Mar 20 19:57
Sam - I wonder if you missed the 'a' out of 'who are' - or missed  the space between the words - and the algorithm read it as '****'.... that, presumably, being a banned word.

This post will tell us - when we see how it transposes.
By:
onlooker
When: 22 Mar 20 19:58
1.01 LANDED  = W H O R E

I amaze myself at times. GrinHappy
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