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Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 3:52 PM GMT
stupid horse fell on the bend...
Report alun2005 December 7, 2019 3:56 PM GMT
Why on earth did they ignore the flag???
Report dambuster December 7, 2019 3:57 PM GMT
bloke had wrong coloured flag apparatly
Report GLASGOWCALLING December 7, 2019 3:57 PM GMT
Mymummarriedmyuncle.  Cry  WAC.
Report penzance December 7, 2019 3:57 PM GMT
horse had a heart attack.
Report carrot1960 December 7, 2019 3:57 PM GMT
The fact that the "yellow flag was raided" gives the stewards no option it has to be voided
Report dambuster December 7, 2019 3:57 PM GMT
why were they being waved around the fences, why not shout stop and wave the flag around ?
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 3:58 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2019 -- 3:57PM, dambuster wrote:


bloke had wrong coloured flag apparatly


that happened @ sedgefield around 3-5 years ago & it was still a void race with jockeys banned for not following the correct procedure (ie yellow flag = pull up)

Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 3:58 PM GMT
because their thick as foook pig farmers
cant count 7 whip strikes
cant count number of laps
cant see winning post
cant see right winning post,

yellow flag stop is far to complicated  LaughLaugh
Report carrot1960 December 7, 2019 3:59 PM GMT
Raised
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:00 PM GMT
and that's when their not pished up full of Charlie shagging the stable gels, Laugh
Report Movewiththetimes December 7, 2019 4:00 PM GMT
Wouldn't  be easier if the flag said stop Laugh
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:00 PM GMT
Race Settled on Here ???
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:01 PM GMT
betfair settling prior to the weighed in signal again
creating more work for themselves
Report Brian December 7, 2019 4:02 PM GMT
Must be chaos on course. I wonder how many will leave without collecting their refunded stakes.
Report madhatters December 7, 2019 4:02 PM GMT
Place not settled
Report MJK December 7, 2019 4:03 PM GMT
Backed the third, Wedge looked across at the other jockeys as they were going round the pond fence as if he wanted to pull up, but kept going when the others did.
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:03 PM GMT
Any winnings  Straight on to anything IMO Grin How can they get it back if its bet on another bet ??
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:04 PM GMT
flag saying stop wouldn't help half the coooonts cant read Laugh
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:05 PM GMT
Will be People going round Sweeping the Tote tickets up Laugh
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:07 PM GMT
one national a year,and this foooking happens LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:08 PM GMT
linfoot saying its a brave jockey who pulls up when the yellow flag is waived LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report dambuster December 7, 2019 4:08 PM GMT
Gangs building up outside the stewards room/weighing room
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:09 PM GMT
its a stupid jockey who carries on riding past a flag that indicates immediate danger ahead
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:09 PM GMT
its ridiculous this is taking so long
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:10 PM GMT
for anybody who knows the rules it takes 10 seconds to announce this is void
Report dambuster December 7, 2019 4:11 PM GMT
The stewards don't know the rules. simples
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:11 PM GMT
TBH would a reg flag not be Better ??
Report MJK December 7, 2019 4:11 PM GMT
Typical Irish racing....
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:12 PM GMT
the jockeys will be in there trying to cover their sorry little arses

10 day bans for all who carried on
end of
Report dambuster December 7, 2019 4:12 PM GMT
last race, a wee dram over the odds maybe, tbh im gutted as  i backed the winner with skybet.
hope they'll be nice to me
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:12 PM GMT
yellow flag nearly caused more carnage,yellow flag because 20 yd gap was to small,so they all squeezed through a 15 yd gap on a bend and through the original gap that was deemed to narrow by stewards, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:12 PM GMT
Stewards 15 Minutes clearing away the Brandy and Port bottles ..
Report wondersobright December 7, 2019 4:14 PM GMT
bookies have had it right off on track
some losing slips kept
winners voided
Laugh
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:14 PM GMT
15:35 SandownFull Result
1st

14
Doing Fine (IRE)
14/1
2nd

13
Dark Flame (IRE)
11/1
3rd

6
Sharp Response (IRE)
9/1
Sky Bet paid 4 places on this race
4th

11
Get On The Yager
10/1
Tap here for the next Sky Bet Extra place race
Winning Trainer:N P Mulholland                          weighed in
Winning Jockey:P K Donovan
Runners:14 ran
Unpl.Fav:Classic Ben (IRE) 10/3 F
SF:£169.60
Tricast:£1,496.06
Report Willie Shafter. December 7, 2019 4:15 PM GMT
race declared void.
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:15 PM GMT
says weighed in
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:15 PM GMT
how can they void ,,after being weighed in shafter
Report Willie Shafter. December 7, 2019 4:16 PM GMT
cos doesnt effect for betting purposes.
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:17 PM GMT
going to re run it in the dark, Laugh
Report casemoney December 7, 2019 4:17 PM GMT
No getting reeled in Laugh
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:18 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2019 -- 4:16PM, Willie Shafter. wrote:


cos doesnt effect for betting purposes.


ok pal ,,,cheers

Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:19 PM GMT
more worrying is about 8 itv,ruk pundits seem to find it very difficult to get their heads round yellow flag,top .pull up, have they got driving licences how do they teach their kids to use traffic lights, pedestrian crossing
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:19 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2019 -- 4:19PM, 1st time poster wrote:


more worrying is about 8 itv,ruk pundits seem to find it very difficult to get their heads round yellow flag,top .pull up, have they got driving licences how do they teach their kids to use traffic lights, pedestrian crossing


LaughLaughLaugh

Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:20 PM GMT
stevie wonder would do better,,,
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:21 PM GMT
thick dicko having real problems with the concept of yellow flag ,stop,wants multiple flags,whistles, FFS no ones that fooking thick and if they are racing should be disbanded LaughLaughLaugh
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:21 PM GMT
right after they called the stewards,, [ do know which one said it ]] stewards because the horse fell on the bend,,,wont effect the result ,, aye right
Report Dr Crippen December 7, 2019 4:24 PM GMT
because their thick as foook pig farmers
cant count 7 whip strikes
cant count number of laps
cant see winning post
cant see right winning post,

yellow flag stop is far to complicated  Laugh


Brilliant post.
Report Dr Crippen December 7, 2019 4:26 PM GMT
I've always said jockeys are ten-a-penny.

You could train a monkey to do what they do.
Report loper December 7, 2019 4:28 PM GMT
Previous void races have seen several yellow flags waved at different points all around the course.

One bloke standing in front of a fence pointing his flag to avoid the fence is appalling incompetence by the racecourse.
Report Dr Crippen December 7, 2019 4:29 PM GMT
Top traners now sending their head lads to the zoo, to swap their stable jockey for a monkey.
Report hulk23 December 7, 2019 4:29 PM GMT
flag doesn't mean avoid the fence.  means stop and all of them should know that.
Report Latalomne December 7, 2019 4:29 PM GMT
Would it not make more sense if the flag was red?
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:29 PM GMT
if the flag had said stop here for free Charlie and drink,they,d have all foooking stopped
Report loper December 7, 2019 4:32 PM GMT
My point is that flags should have been waved at all points from the back straight to the last fence.
Report CharlieCroker69 December 7, 2019 4:32 PM GMT
above is correct not enough to stop a race
Report mymumsfinethankyou December 7, 2019 4:36 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2019 -- 4:26PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


I've always said jockeys are ten-a-penny.You could train a monkey to do what they do.


no chance ,,, SHAFTER ,,has never sat on a horse in his life,,

Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:38 PM GMT
10 day bans for 7 jocks, jocks on knackered horses pulling up anywhere dodged a bullet
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 4:40 PM GMT
skelton,jacobs xmas period few quid going there
Report Poppydog. December 7, 2019 4:42 PM GMT
Sandown should have an official warning.

A toxic year after the debacle in March and the previous one the summer before.

Arrogance of a major track that rests on it's laurels
Report Steamship December 7, 2019 4:45 PM GMT
Racecourse at fault, why leave it so late to wave the flag? Have they only got one? I'm sure most jocks knew it meant stop but you only need 1 to keep going and doubt creeps in.
Report Fashion Fever December 7, 2019 4:54 PM GMT
any books Pay out on the winner ?
Report tom-tom December 7, 2019 4:57 PM GMT
Paddy.
Report Wesdag December 7, 2019 5:12 PM GMT
Well that's a bonus.

Laid Doing Fine for a £600+ loss, just come back in to find £600 extra in my account.
Report snowynoon December 7, 2019 5:13 PM GMT
winner won it on merit ,only ones i saw pull up were beat anyway ,had 25 ew on winner on here at 17s ,concentrating on football bets ,wondered why account was less than should be ,marvellous ......i give up .
Report MJK December 7, 2019 5:30 PM GMT
That's brutal luck. Just thinking imagine if one of those horses who should have been pulled up as per yellow flag fell and got killed at the last.
Report Dr Crippen December 7, 2019 5:31 PM GMT
The winner's connections won't be very happy, the 11yo will get re-handicapped on that run.

Just lost £31,000 and the winners handicap mark.
Report differentdrum December 7, 2019 5:41 PM GMT
What was the official reason for stopping the race?

Without the flag it would have looked like any other race where they avoid an obstacle.
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 5:48 PM GMT
worried about a bunched field getting through gap where  screens were up.ended up going through a smaller gap on a bend and then through the gap they tried to avoid, LaughLaugh
Report 1st time poster December 7, 2019 5:51 PM GMT
mandatory 10 days for ignoring yellow flag could have got more for taking wrong course as well
Report snowynoon December 7, 2019 7:19 PM GMT
who decides they might not get through the gap ,the guy with the flag has sole right to decide ??sort it out ,even the commentators had no inkling that it might be voided ,and why should it have been ,farcical ,feel for the connections of the winner aswell ,won it on merit.
Report sixtwosix December 7, 2019 7:29 PM GMT
Who has decided than an insipid yellow should be the choice of stopping a race?

At the least have the person with two flags waving them across each other.

As it was the race appeared to finish without an issue.

The design of Sandown going to the Pond fence leaves so little option for finishing the race.

This modern decision to stop and void races  more and more leads to only being a matter of time before a prestigious race goes this way.
Report windsor knot December 7, 2019 7:36 PM GMT
in fairness i had 6 bets today and the only return i got was the void race !
Report sixtwosix December 7, 2019 7:41 PM GMT
For all my complaining , I had a bet with 3 big priced runners in 5 races in e/w doubles.

Two winners ,Hogan's Height 28/1 and.......Doing Fine 28/1 Grin.....other 2 runners unplaced treated as void.
Report old crumpy December 7, 2019 9:24 PM GMT
took 73 of me for horse winning  how can this be right when weiged in
Report old crumpy December 7, 2019 9:30 PM GMT
but nothing when you see what it cost sixtwosix
Report Alices December 7, 2019 9:34 PM GMT
Just got back from Sandown, thre were people running around rearching for their lost tickets and others trying to find discarded tickets to claim other people's money, a sad end to an otherwise excellent days racing
Report Deltâ December 7, 2019 9:36 PM GMT
Alices, who the **** is Alices?
Report Willie Shafter. December 7, 2019 9:58 PM GMT
another total embarrassing farcical episode from the people who run british racing...race should have taken no more than 3 minutes to be declared void..the bha cudnt run a pi$$ up.
Report carrot1960 December 7, 2019 10:23 PM GMT
Race 7 - 3:35pm
THE BETFAIR LONDON NATIONAL HANDICAP STEEPLE CHASE (CLASS 2)

The middle railway fence to be omitted for this race due to being damaged in the previous race.

An enquiry was held to consider why Neil Mulholland was running CAROLE’S DESTRIER here at Sandown on going described as Soft, Good to Soft in places, having declared the gelding a non-runner at Sandown on 10 November 2019 on ground with the same official description. The trainer stated that the owner wished to run on this occasion as they were running out of opportunities for the gelding.

Hugh Nugent, the rider of HOUBLON DES OBEAUX (FR), had fallen rounding the final bend on the first circuit. After viewing a recording of the incident, it was found that no other horse or rider was involved and the incident was caused by the gelding sustaining an injury.

An enquiry was held to consider the circumstances surrounding the deployment of the yellow ‘stop race’ flag shortly after rounding the final bend on the final circuit. The Clerk of the Course, the Head Groundsman, Jamie Moore, the rider of STEP BACK (IRE), Daryl Jacob, the rider of DRAGON D’ESTRUVAL (FR), Adam Wedge, the rider of SHARP RESPONSE (IRE), Stan Sheppard, the rider of CONINGSBY, Harry Skelton, the rider of GET ON THE YAGER, James Davies, the rider of DARK FLAME (IRE), and Philip Donovan, the rider of DOING FINE (IRE), were interviewed and shown recordings of the incident. Being a 7lb claiming conditional, Donovan was represented in the enquiry by the trainer. All seven riders were suspended for 10 days for failing to pull up after the ‘stop race’ flag had been deployed and, in light of this ‘stop race’ flag being deployed the Stewards declared the race void.
Report Virgin December 8, 2019 5:54 PM GMT
https://www.attheraces.com/news/2019/December/08/
riders-set-to-appeal-bans-from-sandown-voided-race
Report hulk23 December 8, 2019 6:03 PM GMT
an unsuccessful appeal presumably increases the ban to 15 days ...
Report wondersobright December 8, 2019 6:20 PM GMT
frivolous appeals

they've all seen the flag, that's why they've all gone around the fence
they either didn't know what the yellow flag meant or chose to ignore it
so either way its a ban

they should count themselves lucky to have only got 10 days imo because the jockeys had no idea what was on the other side of the fence, so carrying on past the yellow flag constitutes dangerous riding
Report Deptford December 8, 2019 6:52 PM GMT
Agree totally ^
Report Willie Shafter. December 8, 2019 8:01 PM GMT
the world is ran by fcukwits...plenty are in this forum.
Report luckyme December 8, 2019 8:53 PM GMT
Lads were all bets on this race declared void.
Report luckyme December 8, 2019 9:04 PM GMT
FROM THE HELP DESK 10 MINUTES AGO

Thank you. From what I can see, the horse did run, however, it was pulled up. The bet would stand here, unfortunately.

ME....the race was declared void, all money back on the race.

Helpdesk.....To be honest, we are not aware of this. The results can be found here:

https://sportinglife.com/racing/results


FFS
Report hulk23 December 8, 2019 9:30 PM GMT
so they're actually fleecing people by keeping their money on a void race and hoping nobody asks for it back ... somebody call the cops
Report mrcombustible December 8, 2019 10:10 PM GMT
BHA to revise procedure for announcing void races after Sandown chaos
Stewards conduct a lengthy inquiry into the voided London National at Sandown on Saturday
Stewards conduct a lengthy inquiry into the voided London National at Sandown on Saturday
Mark Cranham
1 of 1
By Jonathan Harding
8:00PM, DEC 8 2019
 
The BHA is set to revise the system for announcing void races after a chaotic running of the London National led to confusion in the Sandown betting ring on Saturday.

Punters and bookmakers were forced to wait for the conclusion of a lengthy stewards' inquiry – more than half an hour after the race had finished – for an official announcement that the race had been declared void.

One leading bookmaker described the delay as "ludicrous" and the BHA said it was ready to bring forward the announcement of a voided race before addressing the other elements of the stewards' inquiry.

A BHA spokesman said on Sunday: "An inquiry was immediately announced by the stewards, and then the jockeys involved and the clerk of the course were spoken to before announcing a decision, in line with procedures.

"In future we will take a look at these procedures to separate out the void race part of the inquiry from the other elements in order that we can inform racegoers, broadcasters and the betting public as to the outcome of the race more quickly.”

Officials voided the race due to the veterinary team attending on-track to Houblon Des Obeaux, who suffered a fatal heart attack on the final bend of Sandown's chase course just after the Pond fence.

Venetia Williams pays tribute to Houblon Des Obeaux

Mulholland blasts officials over void race fiasco

Seven jockeys were handed ten-day suspensions for continuing to race despite the stop-race yellow flag being waved by the third-last fence. That was the only indication to racegoers that the race had been voided, with commentary of the race continuing as normal.

Under the rules, all bets were voided, with punters entitled to a refund on their stakes provided they still had their betting tickets, but due to the delay many racegoers had already discarded them.

Paddy Power were one of several firms to pay out as a goodwill gesture, and spokesman Paul Binfield said: “We very much believe the stewards’ inquiry should be conducted after they have determined the race is void.

The yellow flag used to denote a void race is waved to the riders in Sandown's London National on Saturday
The yellow flag used to denote a void race is waved to the riders in Sandown's London National on Saturday
"As soon as that yellow flag is raised it’s a void race and that should be announced straight away. Otherwise there’s a chance we could have paid out and then have to try to claim that money back.

"On this occasion we paid out on the ‘winner’ after the eventual announcement and it cost us six figures on ‘a race’ that would otherwise have been a winning one."

Coral spokesman Dave Stevens said: "While the incident that led to the race being voided was tragic for connections, it seems ludicrous that it took so long to make an announcement.

"A more immediate decision would certainly help avoid the confusion we saw with settlement of bets on course and off, as many punters will discard losing betting slips straight away as a matter of habit.

“Online refunds of losing bets can be made easily enough, but in shops it’s a less simple process. In no way are we disputing the decision to void the race, just the time it took to make it public."

Betfair spokesman Barry Orr added: "From a betting perspective, the quicker confusion and doubt is removed the better it is for punters, and the industry at large.

"It’s a no-brainer that once the decision to void was confirmed, it should be announced immediately. It would fill that vacuum of uncertainty and let everyone move on from the incident."

Sandown 'Hoover' a threat to punters reclaiming slips
Punters hoping to claim money back on discarded betting tickets for Saturday's void race at Sandown will have to hope that the track's 'Hoover' did not clean up their wagers.

Online bettors will have had no worries getting their stakes back but, according to a Tote employee at the track on Saturday, a man nicknamed The Hoover searches for discarded slips hoping they contain unclaimed winnings.

Saturday's London National would have been ideal for The Hoover. As it was the last race, many punters would have left the course immediately after the horses passed the finishing line.

The employee said that despite being fully aware of what he is doing they have no choice but to pay The Hoover.   

On-course Tote punters who discarded their tickets can write to Totepool with details of their bets to request a refund – assuming The Hoover did not find their ticket.

Discarded betting tickets that were placed with on-course bookmakers and were not brought to the attention of the betting ring manager on Saturday will be unable to be reclaimed.
Report roggrain December 8, 2019 10:24 PM GMT
Yet another f-up from the nincompoops that run British racing!
Report brassneck December 8, 2019 10:31 PM GMT
suppose some children run out on the course while a race was in progress,and a yellow flag was raised for the jockey's to stop.?
All the jockey's should be banned from riding for 6 months."they don't know the rules of racing.
Report luckyme December 8, 2019 10:48 PM GMT
last reply

Thank you for that. We have just raised this to our Traders so that they will be able to advise. We will update you here soon.
Report kevo December 8, 2019 11:00 PM GMT
What they should do is to get all of the jockeys who failed to stop riding after the yellow flag was displayed on Saturday. Put them in a classroom with 5yo pupils and ask the question...what must you do if a yellow flag is raised during a race?.
Report luckyme December 8, 2019 11:06 PM GMT
Race 7 - 3:35pm
THE BETFAIR LONDON NATIONAL HANDICAP STEEPLE CHASE (CLASS 2)

The middle railway fence to be omitted for this race due to being damaged in the previous race.

An enquiry was held to consider why Neil Mulholland was running CAROLE’S DESTRIER here at Sandown on going described as Soft, Good to Soft in places, having declared the gelding a non-runner at Sandown on 10 November 2019 on ground with the same official description. The trainer stated that the owner wished to run on this occasion as they were running out of opportunities for the gelding.

Hugh Nugent, the rider of HOUBLON DES OBEAUX (FR), had fallen rounding the final bend on the first circuit. After viewing a recording of the incident, it was found that no other horse or rider was involved and the incident was caused by the gelding sustaining an injury.

An enquiry was held to consider the circumstances surrounding the deployment of the yellow ‘stop race’ flag shortly after rounding the final bend on the final circuit. The Clerk of the Course, the Head Groundsman, Jamie Moore, the rider of STEP BACK (IRE), Daryl Jacob, the rider of DRAGON D’ESTRUVAL (FR), Adam Wedge, the rider of SHARP RESPONSE (IRE), Stan Sheppard, the rider of CONINGSBY, Harry Skelton, the rider of GET ON THE YAGER, James Davies, the rider of DARK FLAME (IRE), and Philip Donovan, the rider of DOING FINE (IRE), were interviewed and shown recordings of the incident. Being a 7lb claiming conditional, Donovan was represented in the enquiry by the trainer. All seven riders were suspended for 10 days for failing to pull up after the ‘stop race’ flag had been deployed and, in light of this ‘stop race’ flag being deployed the Stewards declared the race void.

Still no joy from "the traders at Betfair" who didn't realise the race was declared VOID. 

ffs you couldn't make this stuff up
Report luckyme December 8, 2019 11:09 PM GMT
actually I am the ass-h0le here, my bet was in the 3.15 race ConfusedConfusedConfused.

apologies to all the help desk
Report hulk23 December 8, 2019 11:14 PM GMT
don't confuse 'trader' with some clued up city type earning mega money.  trader around here is some school-leaver who messed up the interview for mcdonalds, £8.43 an hour and not got a fkng clue.
Report snowynoon December 9, 2019 4:06 AM GMT
still think everyone is missing the point ,tragic though it is ,the screens going round an injured horse does happen sometimes ,but it very rarely means the race being stopped and declared void,a horse fell and was killed at the first fence in the Grand National this year or last ,should they have stopped the race and called it void?The yellow flag should not have been waved in my opinion .
Report geoff m December 9, 2019 9:39 AM GMT
Looks like the "Hoover" cleaned up.
Report roggrain December 9, 2019 9:42 AM GMT
Agree snowy, although it might have helped if the flag man had waved the flag instead of pointing it in the direction of the fence to

be avoided. He could also have been in a much more prominent position. Had he been clearly visible and waving the flag vigorously

the jocks would have pulled up imo.
Report snowynoon December 9, 2019 11:16 AM GMT
exactly roggrain ,he was pointing the flag as if to say ,"go that way " and the commentator said ,"they are being waved round the screens"
and will omit the pond fence.
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