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27 Jun 19 23:16
Date Joined: 26 Nov 02
| Topic/replies: 88 | Blogger: fivetosix's blog
can anyone explain how this antiquated practice is still tolerated.i backed each way in 8 runner race at newmarket today  33 to 1  shot withdrawn  i go to the counter to cancel the bet as i never bet in a 2 place market.the cashier says i cant have 3 place market with 7 runners  and also cant cancel the bet  im told im on a 2 place market and thats that. my bet was struck in 3 place market  if i bet on here i get paid how on earth have they gotten away with this crack since time began and punters happy to tolerate
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Report sparrow June 28, 2019 7:31 AM BST
Bookmaker Level Stakes Each Way Bet well past it's sell by date but you knew the rules when you placed the wager.
Report intheknow June 28, 2019 10:08 AM BST
ben poste
ryan moore

(delta Cool)
Report Deltâ June 28, 2019 10:50 AM BST

Michael Bell
Sara Ender
Report The Management June 28, 2019 12:43 PM BST
Surely it's just an occupational hazard of betting in filthy each way races - your post is actually a little bit ironic because it is actually an antiquated practice (one fifth the odds a place no matter how short the odds-on jolly!) that allows you to profit from these races!

You must have watched enough races with the dead-on 8 runners and a long-odds on fav - to know that a (pre off) non-runner is highly likely. Even if one of the trainers won't oblige and all 8 go to post, it's not unheard of for one to get loose or refuse to enter the stalls.

In my experience, if your doing filthy each-way multiples (and taking early prices), just leave out the dead-on 8 runner races, but if you are doing singles (in shops) place the bet just after the off (this race was 1m4f iirc). Can do the same with multiples (bet just after the off) if the 8 runner race is the first race chronologically in your multiple.

You are asking too much if you think you can take (the generous) early each way prices on a dead-on 8 runner race and always expect all 8 to run imo.

Apologies if your not a filthy each way man - but if you are, you must know there are other things (in addition to those I have outlined) that you can do to avoid/mitigate these situations.
Report differentdrum June 28, 2019 1:28 PM BST
Nothing filthy about each-way betting in an 8 runner race. Of course you would be wary if weather was likely to change conditions.

I would say it takes a bit more doing than just betting huge odds on shots or not being able to bet anything pre-race and instead only concentrating on in-running.

I did flag up this race on another thread. Those who backed the third were extremely unlucky not to collect. I doubt very much that there are many 8 runner races over the course of a season where the total rag is withdrawn seconds before the off.
Report The Management June 28, 2019 1:54 PM BST
Differentdrum - "filthy each way races" is a descriptor - for betting (usually) the 2nd Favourite each-way, when the favourite is long odds-on.

As you say there is nothing filthy about it - due to the antiquated bookmakers t&c's it's one of the very few scenarios where betting with a bookmaker makes mathematical sense! So much so that most on-course books bet "win only" on such races!

If you have observed these races very closely for 30+ years (as I have) you would be surprised how many of them with the dead eight declared (including a long odds on fav) actually result in 8 runners coming under orders!

You can call it unlucky if you want - but as I have tried to point out - there are things you can to to avoid/mitigate being "unlucky" in such scenarios.
Report The Management June 28, 2019 1:57 PM BST
If you have framed your whole days betting (a couple of hundred quids worth of each-way multiples) around one of these races (8 runners and a long odds on fav) or a sizeable each way single - you would appreciate that it's worth doing all you can to avoid being "unlucky"! - you make your own luck imo.
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