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jamesdean
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Report granitjack November 18, 2018 3:39 PM GMT
Well he can those are the rules!!
Report shoodacoodadidnt November 18, 2018 3:41 PM GMT
Does anyone actually have a copy of the rules around this? Where do you find?
Report shoodacoodadidnt November 18, 2018 3:41 PM GMT
Satoshi now strong odds on
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
Satoshi
Davy Russell
£218.75 £38.75 -£10.00

S
Report pablo-fanque November 18, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
if the 3rd ran past the 2nd, then the 1st should be put 3rd so that the original 3rd gets placed 1st ahead of the original 2nd
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
Big switch in the market now.  Does someone know?
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
looks like cuneo's out, massive drift on the fptp is presumably the stewards getting on ...
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 3:42 PM GMT
Quecard - a lot of horses would win if they didn't fall .... you can't award them the race cos you feel sorry for them ...
Report QueueCard November 18, 2018 3:43 PM GMT
Basically it will be a total farce if satoshi benefits from this
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:43 PM GMT
That betting swing is very suspicious.  WHY now all of a sudden??
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 3:43 PM GMT
runner up suddenly goes 5/4 to 1/2 for no reason LaughLaugh
Report RacingLuck November 18, 2018 3:43 PM GMT
3rd getting it Grin
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:44 PM GMT
If my understanding rules are right, then, FPTP keeps the race.  This is NOT US Racing rules
Report Wicklow November 18, 2018 3:44 PM GMT
looks they loading up before annoucing the result - stinks
Report QueueCard November 18, 2018 3:44 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2018 -- 3:42PM, toilettennisplayer wrote:


Quecard - a lot of horses would win if they didn't fall .... you can't award them the race cos you feel sorry for them ...


No one fell, interference is different

Report Bluebird2sing November 18, 2018 3:44 PM GMT
Someone thinks they know the rules/guidelines and has had a serious punt
Report bodey November 18, 2018 3:45 PM GMT
WHO WAS AWARDED THE RACE
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 3:45 PM GMT
wouldnt it be 100 times more of a farce if Relegate was awarded the race when Satoshi was ahead of him at the line and was blameless of all indiscretions ??
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 3:46 PM GMT
QueueCard    18 Nov 18 15:43 
Basically it will be a total farce if satoshi benefits from this





Is the correct tense?  Answers on a postcard
Report oztek November 18, 2018 3:47 PM GMT
Maybe whilst the stewards are convened they can discuss Ruby’s riding
Report granitjack November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
Correct to overturn the result.
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
Satoshi gets the race.
Report RacingLuck November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
amended
Report whatdifference November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
late move in the stewards 5/4 to 1/2 must be nice
Report Wesdag November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
2nd given it
Report Wicklow November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
The loaded up for a good 5 mins before announcing it. Thats rancid.
Report gjohn101 November 18, 2018 3:48 PM GMT
How can relegate get that? How do the rules cater for that?
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 3:49 PM GMT
someone knew that result and was on here betting it before it was announced.  absolutely disgraceful and needs to be investigated asap.
Report The Prophet November 18, 2018 3:49 PM GMT
rancid
Report Wesdag November 18, 2018 3:49 PM GMT
Relegate was 3rd past the post
Report jedi sophie November 18, 2018 3:49 PM GMT
Utterly despicable from Ireland...disgraceful.
Report jimjoelsdog November 18, 2018 3:49 PM GMT
Rancid with the late change in betting yes, but rules are rules.
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
Queuecard - maybe your sense of logic could be useful in the Brexit negotiations ...
Report jedi sophie November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
Hold a stewards in to betting patterns please,utterly shocking.
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
This just shows up the rules in these parts.  At least in America u would know the 2nd would get it.  But today has been another farce as they just make up the rules.
Report whatdifference November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
gjohn ..relegate hasn't won , its been placed 2nd
Report pappilionmybiggestwin November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
5:20 PunchestownFull result
1st

1
Cuneo (FR)
3/1
1st

7
Relegate (IRE)
4/9 f lol how did they come up with a dead heat ??????????????????????????????
Report shoodacoodadidnt November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
Enough to consider seriously giving up! I had over £500 on the disqualified to be in first two as well as to win - suicide time :(
Report Wesdag November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
Not completely unusual - had something similar at Goodwood about 2 years ago.
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 3:50 PM GMT
Grin
Report gjohn101 November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
Sorry. Betfair results had Relegate as winner for some reason
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
toilettennisplayer    Joined: 06 Mar 03
Replies: 1523 18 Nov 18 15:50 
Queuecard - maybe your sense of logic could be useful in the Brexit negotiations ...
Report shoodacoodadidnt November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
What?!! What are they announcing as result?
Report jedi sophie November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
Atr move on rapidly,nowt said,don't throw out Mullins earlier who did interfere with second...
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
The rules need changed so they follow the US Racing rules
Report pablo-fanque November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
the original 3rd , was trading around 2.0 - 4.0 or something like that for a minute or 2 , then went right out to 100 - 200 about 15 seconds before the on-course announcement of the placings was called .

seems like someone is sitting in the judges box with gruss loaded up
Report kevo November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
there was a similar incident at Leopardstown when Golden Horn won but badly interfered with Free Eagle close home who finished 3rd, the result was allowed to stand.
Report upthecity November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
as bad as it gets.whoever was lumping on late in the stewards definitely knew!
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 3:51 PM GMT
Wahay
Report The Prophet November 18, 2018 3:52 PM GMT
There has to be an investigation....the stewards can't get away with this.
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 3:52 PM GMT
lol - how could any other decsion other than that made could be anything other than rancid? ie correct decision made if that didnt make sense.
Report RacingLuck November 18, 2018 3:52 PM GMT
sporting life had Relegate as the winner aswel Laugh
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 3:52 PM GMT
3.20 PunchestownFull Result
1st0.5LSatoshi  (6)14/1
2ndshdRelegate  (7)4/9fav
3rdCuneo (FR) (1)3/1
4th9LAn'ball (FR) (2)22/1
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 3:53 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2018 -- 3:52PM, toilettennisplayer wrote:


lol - how could any other decsion other than that made could be anything other than rancid? ie correct decision made if that didnt make sense.


That is NOT the rules in this part of the world.  The stewards make up what they want on a regular basis.  In US racing u know were u stand when a Inquiry is called

Report jedi sophie November 18, 2018 3:53 PM GMT
Those who think this is funny are deluded,it shows the sport were betting on to be completely bent...
Report shoodacoodadidnt November 18, 2018 3:53 PM GMT
it is - it's true
Report N-east Correspondent November 18, 2018 3:54 PM GMT
yeh noticed sportinglife had relegate as winner
think that's all three of them somewhere declared the winner Laugh
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 3:54 PM GMT
the only reason that Relagate was trading at evens after they passed the post is cos people thought it had finished ahead of Satoshi - ie 2nd over the line - before the pre-stewards result was announced ...
Report gjohn101 November 18, 2018 3:56 PM GMT
Betfair quick results now gone back to listing Cuneo as winner, know not who to rely on on future
Report jimjoelsdog November 18, 2018 3:58 PM GMT
Hopefully there will be more to this if theres an investigation into the betting Laugh as if !!
Report skygreenzone November 18, 2018 3:59 PM GMT
Shock.horror who would have thought horseracing is bent.
Report pablo-fanque November 18, 2018 4:00 PM GMT
the only reason that Relagate was trading at evens after they passed the post is cos people thought it had finished ahead of Satoshi - ie 2nd over the line - before the pre-stewards result was announced ...

correct toilet , but it drifted to 100s a long time before the on course announcement of the original placings .

looking at the replay , it looked like it held on for second and the market thought so too, but someone knew about 15 seconds before the announcement as it drifted to 100s form about 3s . suggesting inside info
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 4:03 PM GMT
Stewards absolutely correct ,that is all.
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 4:03 PM GMT
toilettennisplayer    Joined: 06 Mar 03
Replies: 1525 18 Nov 18 15:54 
the only reason that Relagate was trading at evens after they passed the post is cos people thought it had finished ahead of Satoshi - ie 2nd over the line - before the pre-stewards result was announced ...


Backed Relegate to get it in the stewards room and then realised it might not be 2nd and was able to cash out the bet.
Report pappilionmybiggestwin November 18, 2018 4:04 PM GMT
sportinlife has given three diffrent results now it reads
1st

6
Satoshi
411-6
14/1
T: G ElliottJ: D N Russell

My Stable
2nd

sh
7
Relegate
511-5
4/9f
T: W P MullinsJ: R Walsh

My Stable
3rd

1
Cuneo
611-12
3/1
T: H De BromheadJ: Rachael Blackmore

My Stable
Report pappilionmybiggestwin November 18, 2018 4:05 PM GMT
lol stand by for the fourth result
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 4:06 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2018 -- 4:03PM, flushgordon1 wrote:


Stewards absolutely correct ,that is all.


No one is disputing what should be the correct result.  But, going by the rules of the stewards this is not in the rule book

Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 4:08 PM GMT
Steward chelt kisses for Katie hampered by first two.
Report sparrow November 18, 2018 4:09 PM GMT
Which rule are you quoting, Kriskin?
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 4:11 PM GMT
54.5 Where

54.5.1 a horse or its Rider has caused interference by careless or improper riding, and
54.5.2 the Stewards are satisfied that the interference improved the placing of the horse in relation to the horse or horses with which it interfered,

the horse shall, on an objection to the Stewards under Part 7, be placed behind the horse or horses with which it has interfered.

54.6 For the purposes of Paragraph 54.5.2

54.6.1 the reference to the placing of any horse interfered with is to the placing decided by the Judge, and
54.6.2 if the Stewards are not satisfied the interference did improve the placing of the horse, they must overrule the objection and order that the placings remain unaltered.

54.7 In deciding whether the Stewards are satisfied that the interference improved the placing of the horse, the Stewards shall make no allowance for any ground which the incident may have cost the horse causing the interference.
Report 11kv November 18, 2018 4:11 PM GMT
KissesforKatie hampered by Nick more like Mischief
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
Behind the hoss it interfered with.
Report flushgordon1 November 18, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
No gave it good ride.
Report 11kv November 18, 2018 4:14 PM GMT
Finished like a train should have been closer to the winner
Report Cutter27 November 18, 2018 4:17 PM GMT
The result caused me some considerable annoyance, and I will endeavour in the future to neglect trading on Irish stewards.
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 4:53 PM GMT
wonder why whoever knew the result of the stewards before the rest of us did only backed the winner from 2.28 to 1.51, and didn't take the lot ?  maybe they thought that would alert the betfair police - aka Marjory in accounts.
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 4:55 PM GMT
if it goes 1.01 4 minutes before they declare the result it's obvious.  if it goes 1.51 it isn't.

but it actually is ...
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 5:01 PM GMT
You have to ask the question why the sudden change in price? It's simple someone knew what the result was going to be.  This was not a sudden load of money from the person sitting in the house
Report Cutter27 November 18, 2018 5:03 PM GMT
Sherlock aka hulk, but this is obvious even to a kid in school, idiot. These events don't come along too often, but when they do, then there's easy pickings for the stewards and the families involved. They don't advertise it, but they are allowed phones in the stewards' rooms, and there's windows and cleaners for the nods. I've studied this, and when there's a stewards inquiry, the mop is always out and swings towards the room. Not all the time, but only when it's a nose, or a short head, the mop will be out listening.
Report toilettennisplayer November 18, 2018 5:19 PM GMT
2 completely different matters being discussed. Re the hoovering up by those in the know - ie the stewards - of course its a bit bent and corrupt, but then maybe foolish to leave up unmatched bets after a few minutes when the deliberations are might be expected to be finalized.

Re the actual decision, I don't know what drugs some of you are on, re the decsion being against the rules of racing. There was wanton blatant interference after the last hurdle and the victim was placed behind the culprit. The fact that another horse came up on the blind side to be 2nd past the post is of no relevance. He must de facto get promoted to the winner. What is there not to understand ??
Report Cutter27 November 18, 2018 5:23 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2018 -- 5:19PM, toilettennisplayer wrote:


2 completely different matters being discussed. Re the hoovering up by those in the know - ie the stewards - of course its a bit bent and corrupt, but then maybe foolish to leave up unmatched bets after a few minutes when the deliberations are might be expected to be finalized.Re the actual decision, I don't know what drugs some of you are on, re the decsion being against the rules of racing. There was wanton blatant interference after the last hurdle and the victim was placed behind the culprit. The fact that another horse came up on the blind side to be 2nd past the post is of no relevance. He must de facto get promoted to the winner. What is there not to understand ??


Quite true, Inspector Toilet, but you forget the lapse of time to change the iniation time of money on the forum, and through psychological means to change the betting for the scared pundits from odds against to odds on. Easy peasy, Cutter is pleasy Excited

Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:03 PM GMT
only in this forum could you find so many absolutely clueless gamblers..no wonder 99% lose.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:26 PM GMT
pablo-fanque    18 Nov 18 15:51 
the original 3rd , was trading around 2.0 - 4.0 or something like that for a minute or 2 , then went right out to 100 - 200 about 15 seconds before the on-course announcement of the placings was called .

wrong...it was trading at 3/1 just before gary obrien said it was 3rd...in seconds went to 100..then crept to 600..then becos it went on a while and the 1st 2 flip flopped it went back to around 100 just before the announcement. As soon as gary obrien said it was 3rd it shud have went to 1000 as it cudnt get the race.People dont understand racing and other panic.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:27 PM GMT
and nothing was hoovered...the 1st 2 flip flopped late on..that is all.
Report Wicklow November 18, 2018 8:33 PM GMT
andyl come one - the only reason the price flip flopped from 6/4 to 1/2 was because someone within the stewards room knew the outcome and thought by not going 1.01 on the winner we'd get an easy earner without raising any alarms to the bf police.

I had know financial outcome in it, I was just an observer and there was no reason for the odds to changed so dramaitcally and as it turned out accurately. Once ruby's mount was called as 3rd the odds hardly changed on the 1st and 2nd passed the post for the first 10 mins of the stewards, 1.6-1.7 v 2.4-2.6.
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 8:44 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2018 -- 8:27PM, andyl wrote:


and nothing was hoovered...the 1st 2 flip flopped late on..that is all.


Talking absolute bollox as well.  Tell us why the FPTP was odds on for 90% of the time if it was a sure thing to lose the race according to u??

Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 8:46 PM GMT
As I've stated above the rules in US racing are clear as day.  Over here they make them up as they go along.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:48 PM GMT
i thort the winner would get chucked..couldnt believe it was so short to keep....a fellow in runner who has a good opinion thort exactly the same..word spreads amongst us...horses dont get hoovered to 1.6 if you know the result.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:50 PM GMT
Wicklow    18 Nov 18 20:33 
andyl come one - the only reason the price flip flopped from 6/4 to 1/2 was because someone within the stewards room knew the outcome and thought by not going 1.01 on the winner we'd get an easy earner without raising any alarms to the bf police.

utter cringe.
Report Kriskin November 18, 2018 8:52 PM GMT
andy - not disputing the FPTP deserved to get thrown out.  But the rules over here are not clear.  The winner wasn't involved in the melee but deemed to be awarded the race.  In US racing we would all know straight away.  The eventual winner would be as low as 1.05 to get it.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 8:56 PM GMT
correct result..the winner was deemed to have cost the 3rd from finishing closer so they put it behind that horse..therefore the 2nd gets the race..cant see the problem.
Report andyl November 18, 2018 9:00 PM GMT
someone knew the result but winner only went to 1.6 ish and the 3rd shortened from 600 to 70 Cry
Report Racingqueen November 18, 2018 11:11 PM GMT
I actually think the 3rd would have won had they all kept in straight line. 3rd was a clueless brute of a horse who Blackmore could barely control the whole race
Report andyl November 18, 2018 11:35 PM GMT
the demoted horse was the best horse in race.
Report hulk23 November 18, 2018 11:44 PM GMT
word spreads amongst us

ffs LaughLaugh have you got a secret handshake as well ?
Report andyl November 19, 2018 12:01 AM GMT
12 in same room...phone call 10 secs...messenger instant..stewards takes 20 mins..you do the maths ydc.
Report smirnoff2therescue November 19, 2018 12:23 AM GMT
tis wot you are up against

i will be there Wed - singer will be working but will try get his father oot for a bit freshy air - will text you tomorra night to comfirmCoolCool
Report andyl November 19, 2018 12:23 AM GMT
nbwk
Report smirnoff2therescue November 19, 2018 1:58 AM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpqm-05R2Jk

sww you wed BlushBlushBlush
Report andyl November 19, 2018 2:00 AM GMT
objection
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