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Saxon Warrior is by Deep Impact (" The Hero"), who was by Sunday Silence out of the Alzao mare Wind in her Hair, and was something of a Japanese super horse. He won his first seven races, including the G1 Satsuki Sho (Japanese 2000 Guineas,2000 m, at Nakayama), the Tokyo Yushun (Japanese Derby,2400 m, at Tokyo) and the Kikuka Sho(Japanese St. Leger Stakes,3000 m,at Kyoto). When landing the Kikuka Sho on November 23 2005, he become the first horse since Narita Brian 11 years earlier to complete the Japanese Triple crown; and the first unbeaten Japanese Triple crown winner since Shymboli Rudolf 21 years ago. Saxon Warrior's dam is Maybe, who failed to get the trip in the 2012 Oaks. Saxon Warrior is a full brother to Pavlenko, formerly trained by O'Brien, who never won beyond 7fs. Saxon Warrior won the Juddmonte Beresford Stakes on soft going ("kept on well") Punters are likely to see Galileo as Saxon Warrior's damsire and fall into the trap of believing that stamina is a given. However, as anybody familiar with the pedigrees of the likes of Galileo Gold, U S Navy Flag, Barney Roy and Night Of Thunder can testify, when serving as a damsire Galileo has tended to impart speed over stamina. The Jury is out (aka: you are taking 4/6 and guessing).
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Report Willie Shafter. June 2, 2018 11:28 PM BST
paying 1.6 mill cash for a house..gets told an odds on derby fav will def not win..

lays it to win few hundred.

wey aye man.
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:30 PM BST
Got very strong connections to the Bethell's don't ya know
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:31 PM BST
He aint British I looked them all up weeks ago J P Carvalho?
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:33 PM BST
David Bailey?
Report Willie Shafter. June 2, 2018 11:34 PM BST
more like bill bailey
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:35 PM BST
Also has a share in this syndicate:

Fly Like An Eagle Syndicate
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:39 PM BST
So easy to do a quick search Grin
Report smirnoff2therescue June 2, 2018 11:43 PM BST
a few weeks ago he was all over the Haggas yard - nee mention of an AOB horse then -info was mixed to say the least results wise - then he had a pop at "us Northerners " he had never heard of the Lake District but regularly worked for David Chapman in Yorkshire .....mmmmm GrinGrinGrin

#peopleinglasshousesshudnt......
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:44 PM BST
FFSLaugh

STATS spill I can't find
Report smirnoff2therescue June 2, 2018 11:45 PM BST
Evening Stats - hope you is well my man LaughLaughLaugh
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:46 PM BST
Keswick? Sounds terribly .... well, northern.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:47 PM BST
Lovely place mouse had a few days that way last year but aye it does
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:47 PM BST
I'm very good thanks shears. Hope you are too m8 Wink
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:48 PM BST
Here's a little pearl I found, especially the bit in bold


Sorry for no explanation, was at Wolverhampton last night and g=can't seem to get forum on phone, just laptop.

I'm personally not a huge gamble but lost £120 in win, and £380 in 4 place, plus £200 ew on track.

£900 for me is as big a bet I can afford to have, so naturally gutted.

Simon was asked to race forwards in the race as the horse is one paced and we thought there would be a lack of pace and the race looked full of 2m horses, so getting first run would help. We felt he was well handicapped and also that this was a very bad race. He had won twice over course and distance. We also booked Simon as we all agreed he was the best amateur available.

Disappointed Simon disobeyed orders. He claimed the horse didn't jump well enough to go forwards and said from his draw he would have had to have gone very wide to go forwards, and thought they were going a decent enough pace so slotted him in. He said he travelled okay and felt 3f out he had a good chance. He said he didn't really pick up but felt the horse wasn't giving him everything. Said step him up to a 1m 6f, put blinkers on and try and race forwards. Bar the blinkers bit what he suggested to do was what he was told to do last night.

I doubt even raced handy, he would have beat the winner, as said on post, it was an unknown quantity and was either gonna hack up or be tailed off, the betting made it clear it was out for the job. Could our rider and other riders in race been got at, quite possibly. No one was happy with the ride, and as he has no real turn of foot, you have to go forwards on him.

We all felt let down from the ride, bollocks done, we move on. Sorry for it not going to plan, but it's frustrating as never even got a run for our money. Had he gone forwards and bombed out I wouldn't have minded so much, but riding him like that gave us no chance and never even gave us a real chance to assess him properly.

There's an extended 1m 5f 0-50 next month at Wolves, and if he drops 3lb in weights (got 3lb drop last run, so every chance will get it again as well beat) he can get in that race off the new rule that horses rated 51 or 52 can get in a 0-50, so all being well we can keep him ticking over at home and go for that race, and get a rider on board who will at least ride to orders.
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:49 PM BST
Is there a pond there or sumfing?
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:50 PM BST
Don't get me wrong, some of the stuff is quite an interesting read, but ................... Grin
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:51 PM BST
I remember that STATS I was after identity confirmation
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:51 PM BST
There's an extended 1m 5f 0-50 next month at Wolves

different class
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:52 PM BST
Only 1 lake mouse a bit of trivia you might know
Report smirnoff2therescue June 2, 2018 11:53 PM BST
lol Stats ya more Columbo than me ..... you can see though why people doubt him.....and his arrogance dont help matters neither SadSad
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:53 PM BST
got some nice waters though
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:54 PM BST
Indeed
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:56 PM BST
Was from an earlier fred when Dom was having a go at acronyms so I countered with Dom In Cumbria, Keswick. He said he was unaware of it, is it somewhere northern?
Report STATSMAN June 2, 2018 11:56 PM BST
Denzil, aye

It shows that even owners and associates have doubts about the game at times as he said the jockey disobeyed the orders and nobody was happy with the ride so natural to wonder why imo.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:58 PM BST
It was early days the questionable seeds hadn't been long sewn then Grin
Report mouse muldoon June 2, 2018 11:58 PM BST
Robojocks. Let's make it happen.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 2, 2018 11:59 PM BST
I would agree could it be any worse at least your hold up horses won't lead and vice versaCrazy
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:00 AM BST
Golden Footsteps is owned by some close friends of mine

TrainerMrs John Harrington (Last 14 days: 6-52, 12%)
OwnerFly Like An Eagle Partnership
Fly Like An Eagle Syndicate until 17 May 2018
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:00 AM BST
The members aren't named though
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:01 AM BST
There's fking loads Happy
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 12:01 AM BST
Exactly, obviously not everything would always go to plan, but they would be preprogrammed with whether they were supposed to lead or be held up and the info would be on the racecards.
Report smirnoff2therescue June 3, 2018 12:01 AM BST
Pennybridge a must visit if eva going to the Lakes followed by a visit to Cartmel - Gods country for sure LoveLove
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:02 AM BST
STATS you must have super google mate
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:02 AM BST
They're not but how many pies etc etc etc
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:03 AM BST
I have m8 and it comes in handy at times Happy
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:04 AM BST
That was a close 2nd when he tipped it up mind
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:05 AM BST
and it was with Ed Walker
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:07 AM BST
Pennybridge a must visit if eva going to the Lakes followed by a visit to Cartmel - Gods country for sure LoveLove

I'll keep it mind went near there on the way to Dalton In Furness zoo many moons ago
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:09 AM BST
When you're an EPT winner, 3 x final table GUKPT, and a 2 times GPS winner and amassed over £624,000 in live cashes in the last 4 years, please come back and tell me how to play Poker. DM me whatever, I would play either of you anytime, anywhere, £10,000 buy in, winner takes all and I would happily give both your 10K's the Charity.

Grin
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:12 AM BST
That could be true or it might not I remember that conversation,still don't know any names
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 12:13 AM BST
i'd forgot it was him that put up the amateur race flop..

624k winnings and lays a cert odds on loser for a few hundred Laugh

wafdsc
Report smirnoff2therescue June 3, 2018 12:23 AM BST
King Of Dubai will be p1ssing himself no doubt ShockedShockedShocked
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:32 AM BST
What was this in reply to? Laugh


@Willie

Learn to peak English or don't bother speaking, I don't understand Northern Criminal Gangland language.
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 12:48 AM BST
told him to foydc
Report STATSMAN June 3, 2018 12:49 AM BST
To do with his roulette system that he said yesterday, he doesn't have Grin
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 1:24 AM BST
indeed stats..that very one Mischief
Report Angela Rebecchi June 3, 2018 1:53 AM BST
The geezer is £15k down at Sportsbook? Jeez LaughLaughLaugh
Report posy June 3, 2018 8:50 AM BST
Can't see the point in trying to 'out' domino .His posts are both erudite and informative which is more than most on here are capable of producing and he clearly has at least one contact in the AoB yard.
He doesn't get it right all the time (who does ?) but he was spot on about Saxon and I didn't see any other posters going out on a limb and categorically stating that he wouldn't win.

My only doubt about him is that his posts are too well argued and coherent for what I would expect from an ex professional jockey !
Report swift-tuttle June 3, 2018 11:12 AM BST
Yes I agree posy, it's difficult to describe but you just know when you read his posts that he is in a different league. Apparently he is going now, which is unfortunate.
The detractors fastened on an off-the-cuff comment about having a winning roulette system - for me that was a sure sign that they couldn't drag him down on his racing knowledge.
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 11:29 AM BST
'The detractors fastened on an off-the-cuff comment about having a winning roulette system'

off the cuff comment ffs? i take it you read the great detail it was explained in?
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 11:32 AM BST
I bought the paperback from WHSmith yesterday.
Report posy June 3, 2018 11:43 AM BST
s-t that's a real shame ...can't see the point of abusing someone on an anonymous forum who actually seems to have some knowledge.If for whatever reason you don't agree with him  then just ignore him and let those of us who read his posts come to our own conclusion.The forum will be worse off without him;that's for sure.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:27 PM BST
We are all going to Chester tomorrow and he asked me this morning if I had heard anything and told him that My Lord And Master & Christopher Robin are two I have very strong info for and he was talking about getting £10,000 out the bank to have a bet on them up there tomorrow.

I am having £250 on My Lord And Master tomorrow, and £500 EW on Christopher Robin - I am waiting for the sportsbook to price up, but seen he is 100/300 in some places. I may have an ew double as well

I was chatting to Frankie in Newmarket on Sunday evening and he said he had a really good book for this week at Chester and was really looking forward to Award Winning and Argentello today.


Plus more off the top of the head:
Nathanial is a fast ground sire,racing is bent,as a jockey 90% of instructions I received were negative,need a huge strike rate to win,uses someone elses ratings ,gets on £1000's with Sportsbook,on a day where Haggas had about 4 or 5 winners dom had the 'info' on the losers etc.etc.

Seemingly all his posts are removed as the above were quoted by someone else,the roulette fantasy was a gem and here are people saying he's been dragged down because of his racing knowledge get a grip lads Laugh
Report Tiger Tiger June 3, 2018 12:40 PM BST
3rd in the German St Leger?

That would make him either Willie Supple, Billy Newnes or Mark Rimmer.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:41 PM BST
He isn't English I believe
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:44 PM BST
or Irish
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 12:48 PM BST
https://www.racingpost.com/results/247/dortmund/2008-10-05/467529

?
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 12:53 PM BST
I can only find one ride in the UK for Carvalho, so probably not.

https://www.racingpost.com/results/393/lingfield-aw/2004-11-20/360403
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 12:56 PM BST
JPC training in France now.
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 12:57 PM BST
http://www.canalturf.com/courses_fiche_entraineur.php?identraineur=417&date=...
Report Tiger Tiger June 3, 2018 12:58 PM BST
J-P Carvalho finished 3rd on Court Canibal in the 2008 German St Leger.
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 12:59 PM BST
Beg your pardon, he's based in Germany still.

https://www.trainermagazine.com/articles/jean-pierre-carvalho-a-french-trainer-in-germany/2015/9/25
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 1:02 PM BST
mouse you have super google tooWink
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 1:03 PM BST
You're right about the 1 ride I now remember posting that on an earlier thread Crazy
Report crepello June 3, 2018 1:25 PM BST
Whether you believe everything about domino14 is clearly a personal choice but NEVER have I heard such abuse for posting a CORRECT result ...

The forum hits a new low - plenty of green eyed monsters on here ......
Report DenzilPenberthy June 3, 2018 1:30 PM BST
What abuse for posting a correct result?
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 1:37 PM BST
Report kavvie June 3, 2018 2:26 PM BST
like all the other people who had something intresting/valuable to say he has been hounded off..as said above.the green eyed monsters strike again.well done
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 2:29 PM BST
Hopefully he'll just take a week out for R & R and come back stronger.
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 2:34 PM BST
hes buying a new cannon with his few hundred quid winnings on the odds on cert not to win..

whilst having 500ew each way on an unplaced horse.

wel aye wor kid Laugh
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 2:35 PM BST
surely dad in law laid 10k's worth?
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 2:36 PM BST
Is he getting the new cannon D29 black?
Report crepello June 3, 2018 2:46 PM BST
Shafter showing his true colours here.

His contributions to the forum range from "post ya bet" to "WAC" - how illuminating his input is ....

When asked to post his bet on Good Friday he headed for the hills....

You, my man, are a betting leech - a betting parasite.

Is that clear enough for you?
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 2:49 PM BST
crystal.
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 2:49 PM BST
When you resigning then willie?
Report kavvie June 3, 2018 2:50 PM BST
that "post ya bet" is a really mature  contribution.he asked me what i made.i was kind enough to tell him.then he wanted proof!!?!!?  ffs
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 2:50 PM BST
soon..new contract being prepared.
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 2:51 PM BST
When I go I'll do it properly and give a weeks notice.
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 2:55 PM BST
been trialing dombo's roulette cistern all morn with my little wheel..still waiting for it to drop in 3rd column 3 times.
Report mouse muldoon June 3, 2018 2:56 PM BST
needs some oil
Report Angela Rebecchi June 3, 2018 3:04 PM BST
Has he bought other accounts or are some other posters really falling for the act. LaughLaughLaugh

The guy is a complete fantasist. At no stage did he think Saxon Warrior had no chance otherwise he would have put a monster lay on it. Like so many out there he thought the trip, track, and stall might make him worth taking on and he wrapped that around his fantastical vision of getting others on here to believe he knows more info than the owners LaughLaugh
Report Willie Shafter. June 3, 2018 3:05 PM BST
The guy is a complete fantasist. At no stage did he think Saxon Warrior had no chance otherwise he would have put a monster lay on it.

correct.
Report 11kv June 4, 2018 5:13 PM BST
Thread sent to BHA .
Report DenzilPenberthy June 4, 2018 5:18 PM BST
There are 100s of posts missing on my screen Shocked
Report mouse muldoon June 4, 2018 5:21 PM BST
Nick Rust studying the roulette system in his latest scheme to bridge the levy shortfall.
Report flukes June 4, 2018 6:11 PM BST
Domino's post claiming he already knows the result of a novice race in Ireland within the next 2 weeks has also been pulled. Somebody in authority or at Ballydoyle clearly doesn't like what he's said.
Report Andrew in Sweden June 4, 2018 7:02 PM BST
Flukes,

I can't comment on dominos post (i don't remember all of it anyway) and he's never mentioned it to me before, but I suspect i know the name of the horse in question, if it's the one i'm thinking of ....... and probably all of Southern Ireland does as well.

I won't post here now, but i'm happy to on the day, although what price it will be is anyones guess.
Report flukes June 4, 2018 7:07 PM BST
They may have to change plans now Andrew, what's the point in lining up a coup if the whole of Ireland knows about it Grin If Dominic does have inside info from Ballydoyle and he is identifiable to them then there its no way they will let him continue posting it on here
Report Andrew in Sweden June 4, 2018 7:11 PM BST
Agreed flukes,

Actually i think coup is the wrong description in this case unless ............

the horse i'm referring to is 'bait' and something else is being lined up Confused
Report chavman June 4, 2018 7:12 PM BST
cant be any coincidence that within 24hrs of self exclusion loads of his more detailed posts are removed
Report flukes June 4, 2018 7:14 PM BST
Here's the post Andrew, doesn't seem obvious that the whole of Ireland knows about it

I'll tell you what Angela, you think I know nothing, well in about 15 days there is a Novice stakes in Ireland, O'Brien will have three or four in it, the one to back will most likely be in PINK Magnier silks, it will be ridden by either Wayne or Michael. It will beat the other two/three and it will be backed on the day. The reason it will likely run in Pink silks is because another of the horses pencilled in to run in the race will be in magnier's first colours, If that horse doesn't run it will be in Navy Blue.

Call me a guesser or a fantasist all you like, PM me 2 weeks Saturday, I'll tell you the name of the horse, you lay me best bookmaker price at the time of PM. Lets see how much of a fantasist you think I am, when I skint you.
Report Andrew in Sweden June 4, 2018 7:16 PM BST
If the information was kosher, it's hardly surprising it's getting removed, unless it's domino requesting BF delete them.

He works in the industry (photographer of gallop runs etc) and trainers wouldn't be happy with him
Report Andrew in Sweden June 4, 2018 7:18 PM BST
Thanks flukes,

Maybe not the same horse, who knows Confused
Report flukes June 4, 2018 7:20 PM BST
Other posts have been taken down too so doubt Dominic has prompted the removals
Report Willie Shafter. June 4, 2018 7:21 PM BST
'He works in the industry (photographer of gallop runs etc) and trainers wouldn't be happy with him'

didnt he ever realise this?
Report Andrew in Sweden June 4, 2018 7:29 PM BST
Willie,

Seems obvious to me, i doubt many on here would have posted under the same circumstances
Report mouse muldoon June 4, 2018 7:31 PM BST
Some of us were asking the same weeks ago

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31192341/heads-up
Report flukes June 4, 2018 7:34 PM BST
My info source won't be cut off, Aidan needs him more than he needs Aidan.


Dearie me
Report mouse muldoon June 4, 2018 7:37 PM BST
That one has to be in his top 10 flukes
Report Willie Shafter. June 4, 2018 10:30 PM BST
domino14    04 Jun 18 20:40 
@Tiertiger ?

Said wont be posting on racing forum any more, full of nutters and trolls, decent folk on the footy one.
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