WINNING SYSTEMS

can produce some nice winners but its gotta outweigh the losers

Two runners tomorrow to start the ball rolling. Thing with systems is that you have to follow it blind. Start deciding horses have no chance, like 50/1 shot maiden of O`Brien`s in Irish Guineas, can prove bad. In for a penny, in for a pound. Let the game begin!

SATURDAY (25/05/18)

Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh)

Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)

Oh, Applesandpieres won at Cartmel by 18 lengths at 8/1. Nice start. Can`t see the other one winning though but I have bet it as one has to follow the system blindly. Pity nobody joined me, playing with the bookies money now.

wd tmm

Thanks mate.

BAMOS mighty! Promising early signs. The trouble is like the one Gazey keeps running in to, how to slice off the fat and make the best use of our capital? So much racing, so many selections, so many cisterns.. and not enough time/capital to follow them all with the dedication needed.

Cheers sniper! You are correct with what you say, but can`t ask for a better start, well perhaps I can if the Rag wins the Guineas, lol. To get in front so early is a bonus and I can invest the profit in other ones. Good luck with your bets!

I knew that Spanish Point had no chance but one has to follow the system blindly or there is no point to the exercise. Shall post any runners for Sunday later.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING


SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80


Overall Profit/Loss    +£70

Three runners tomorrow. Good luck!

SUNDAY (27/05/18)

Latrobe (3.00 Curragh)
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh)
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell)

Up until Gardens Of Babylon, I thought I knew what the criteria was for picking those so far and still might if either that one is a mistake and shouldn't be a selection, or it isn't a mistake and so the criteria rules are not as specific or strict as I initially thought.

You are just about on the button there.

I see it all the time and mainly it is media hype that sends them into the red and are also lightly raced.

When they get that run out of the way they go out again in price and can perform.

Last night 1.35 NEW QUEEN (something like that) (6) I am sure the media jumped on her, but she looked very ordinary pre race
and got beat about 6 lengths in a small field.

Next start 3rd up and more likely fitter she can bounce back in the black.

But at 1.35 yesterday, punters got burnt big time.

James

Wasn't Garden Of Babylon an odds on beaten favourite in its last run ?

Systems like these don't have to be trialled - you can see the stats very easily for past years (stats necessarily belong to the past). But you have to be clear about what you're testing - odds on last time, measured by what? industry SP, Betfair SP, last show in SP betting markets or last show on Betfair.


In any event whichever way you gather the stats, it's a complete loser year on year as Duncan has pointed out (there is one small winning year in 2016 at BFSP). Laying is a better bet but even then it's nothing special.

Agreed, systems like these are doomed to failure.
However there are ' systems' that show long term profit

Why have you put a sunglasses emoji at the end of your post Facts? Is that a typo?

Nope it's not a typo.

Systems are strange things. I followed one which made a small but consistent profit for 6-7 years but has made a loss over the past 18 months.

Now keeping a record of it with a view to backing the selections instead of laying them. Strange how it suddenly turned round

Did someone say holy grail? I happen to be the expert on it.  There are indeed systems that work beautifully but they're not this simple. @Prosniper fat is not that much of an issue. Look at this system for example: https://snag.gy/j2FNlR.jpg (290 units are from May this year, I couldn't believe it myself, it's better than in 2017 when I stopped testing it at +151 for some reason)
You see that downswing at the end? That's when I posted them in the thread. Just because they lost doesn't mean they were bad picks, it's just variance taking its toll. Overall my systems run at 22% strike rate the past few weeks despite my average being 38%, just gotta ride it out.

I've had a system that has made reasonable profits since 2009 until the last 18 months.  I was wondering if it had anything to do with PP taking over, or was it something to do with the number of place type bets being increased??  There have been some suspect figures returned at BSP, for example, the 1000 Guinesa winner.

what's the criteria of that system gaze? cheers

I'm not just handing out my golden geese, I spent at least 10k hours finding them.

It is a goose that hasn't laid any eggs for the last 18 months by your own admission

Fat has built up. Gazey won't be long in trimming it away..

If I had a 10k bankroll I'd be printing 5k a month. I'm long term unemployed and broke, where do you think I get the time to paper bet 200 systems?

Gazey, I told you were to go for the 10k. No sympathy if you don't heed sound advice.

I would be ok with 500, I could grow it fast.

Start with a racing bank that you can afford. As small as you like. If your system is sound, the bank will increase.
And with it, the proportional stakes.
Good luck

The criteria is quite simple to understand as outlined in the first post. Bet all horses that were beaten odds on favourite on their previous run.

This means a horse that started odds on s.p. favourite in it`s last race and got beat. Can`t believe that I have to explain that to seasoned punters, but hey ho.

There were only 3 horses running in UK and IRL on Sunday that fitted that simple criteria.

Gardens of Babylon was beaten last time out at 9/10sp so that is a selection

Latrobe was beaten last time out at 9/10sp so that is a selection

Ringa Ding Ding was beaten last time out at 4/6sp so that is a selection

Good news for the detractors is that the 2 that ran finished second and the 3rd Gardens Of Babylon was a N/R.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    +£50

previous run meaning last time out

beaten odds on fav meaning a horse that starts at odds less than evens and doesn`t win

By Jove ! I think he's got it !!

OP why are you betting against stats
you started off nicely but look at this

duncan idaho • May 24, 2018 6:58 PM BST
beaten odds-on fav (@ SP) lto (all UK/Ire races 2008>): 1902- 7480 (25%) roibf -1.3/ roisp -0.54

you can't ignore a statistic with over 5000+ runners and expect it to perform any diferently just cause you're backing them.

MONDAY (28/05/18)

Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)

I don`t intend to follow it and bet them for the rest of my life. I am merely suggesting to follow it short term and get out with a nice profit when the time arrives. I can assure you that I will show an overall profit using this system.

Statistics are a bit like the bible and can be interpreted to suit ones own argument. Why quote past statistics starting from 2008, apart from the reason that`s as far as his source goes back. What is the profit and loss of the said statistic if someone had been following the system all their betting life since, lets say, 1970?

that was in reply to Masta

Facts 27 May 18 09:39 
Wasn't Garden Of Babylon an odds on beaten favourite in its last run ?

Yeah sorry, I either didn't read all of the original post or didn't read it properly to see themightymac had posted the rules. Often people don't as they don't want to give much away but in my defence, I had not been to bed yet when I posted.

The reason why I had wondered if Garden Of Babylon was a mistake was that all of the others up until then had finished 2nd and odd-on.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40


Overall Profit/Loss    +£60

A lot of seconds past few days but still in profit.

How would it work out if they were backed to place only? Duncan Idaho, stats? Using your small sample mac, woulda bn good last few days.

TUESDAY (29/05/18)

Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)

That actually crossed my mind doorman. Place only on Betfair? All placed except O`Brien`s rag in 2000 Guineas which had no chance.

2 Winners, 5 seconds, 1 Unplaced.

Ya betfair place market only. Hopefully Duncan will come on and say whether it works or not.

Awayinthewest was a really good one. Thought the beast would destroy the weak field it faced lto found another weak race today + armed with better jockey. Odds-on flops winning @ a price "seems" above normal. But maybe it's just another confirmatory bias that the brain soaks up..

Out of interest, what are the stats from odds 5/2> ?  and also 7/2> ?

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    +£50

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)

Amadeus (5.00 Beverley)
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park)
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon)

Amadeus, what an utter hound. Only a 3yo, blinkers on and on and off bridle all the way.

I couldn`t agree more doorman. Same at Musselburgh when turned over at odds on. Good money for it too again today. One to avoid

A forumite called Red Hiney Monkey posted a laying system on here in 2012 and it has shown an average profit of +196 points per year since then

THURSDAY (30/05/18)

Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton)
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)

That is very good Commander. What is it?

Knight Commander please tell!

Ok KC you've got a couple of bites.. don't be so cruel as to leave them hanging. Reel them in and finish them off against a rock

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R


Overall Profit/Loss    +£40

THURSDAY (30/05/18)

Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton)
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)

Surely garde Ville was a system horse.beaten odds on last time out?

Dont think it was a selection tom tom, 66/1 last time out.

I thought it was odds on in a point last time out. I may have read it wrong then.

You are correct my mistake.

Forget the above.Beaten in a point last time out at 10/11fav.

I hope you bet it tomtom and I would like to claim it, but I wasn't including PtP racing and I didn't bet it because of that.

Herm,ran in Jersey last time out.how does that count then?

You have a fair point. At sometime down the line we`ll even get a beaten odds on favourite which ran in France, Germany, USA or somewhere else in the world. To keep things simple, I am only concentrating on races held and run in GBR and IRL for betting and pre bet criteria. e.g. If a horse is beaten odds on favourite at Sandown and it`s next race is in France or somewhere abroad, it doesn`t count as a bet. Nothing to stop anybody looking in to slightly tamper with the criteria and include foreign races, but not I.

So Herm doesn`t count today. My mistake tom-tom, thanks for pointing that out.

THURSDAY (30/05/18)

Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)

Apologies to anybody who may be following and has already bet it. I hope it wins though as I have bet it in error and didn`t realise that it`s last run was in Jersey until tomtom had pointed it out.

Win or Lose though it doesn`t count in overall Profit/Loss.

FRIDAY (01/06/18)

Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood)

So if it's English and Irish racing do hunter chases count? and if so point to point results and    so should count surely?

With all information so readily available these days I think the only way to make a system pay is to look at things from an unconventional angle that no one else has considered and even if the results where published the selection method would not be obvious.

Yes tomtom, British (Not just England) and Ireland and all races Under Rules. Hunter Chases ok but not P2P.

Lots of hunger chasers run in point to points.so you are saying if they ran in a point previous to a chase the s p is not taken into account?

Yes mate, for my criteria for selections. Big difference running between the flags and under rules. Different ball game. Only way one can punt on P2P races is on course and won`t take much money for a horse to start odds on.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4  -£10
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R

THURSDAY (30/05/18)
Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)  2nd 1/2  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    +£30

FRIDAY (01/06/18)

Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood)

SATURDAY (02/06/18)

Sugar Coating (4.50 Doncaster)
Kew Gardens (4.30 Epsom)

Notice one of your beaten Photo Tip's has just won,mac

Yes mate, I actually had a decent bet on it. Just got caught last time out at good odds. Hope you had a few shillings on!

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4  -£10
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R

THURSDAY (30/05/18)
Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)  2nd 1/2  -£10

FRIDAY (01/06/18)
Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood) 4th 7/1  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    +£20

Could be back to square one after tomorrow. Hard to see Kew Gardens winning the Derby, but stranger things have happened.

SATURDAY (02/06/18)

Sugar Coating (4.50 Doncaster)
Kew Gardens (4.30 Epsom)

Donnacha O'Brien, who already has the Guineas and Oaks under his belt this season, rides Kew Gardens. Trading at 38 to back and 40 to lay on here at present, wouldn't be surprised to see it trade a lot lower than that.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4  -£10
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R

THURSDAY (30/05/18)
Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)  2nd 1/2  -£10

FRIDAY (01/06/18)
Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood) 4th 7/1  -£10

SATURDAY (02/06/18)
Sugar Coating (4.50 Doncaster) 3rd 11/4  -£10
Kew Gardens (4.30 Epsom) 9th 16/1  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    +£00

Does backing Olly Murphy runners at Fakenham class as a system ?

First one looks like a plot if I ever did see one

SUNDAY (02/06/18)

Coral Beach (2.10 Listowel)

Why not ddg. It would be interesting to see his stats at Fakenham. Perhaps someone can post his stats. He is a trainer that I cant catch but I shall have a look at that one, thanks.

Olly Murphy (Fakenham)

15-48 (31%) +£19.93

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4  -£10
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R

THURSDAY (30/05/18)
Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)  2nd 1/2  -£10

FRIDAY (01/06/18)
Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood) 4th 7/1  -£10

SATURDAY (02/06/18)
Sugar Coating (4.50 Doncaster) 3rd 11/4  -£10
Kew Gardens (4.30 Epsom) 9th 16/1  -£10

SUNDAY (02/06/18)
Coral Beach (2.10 Listowel) 2nd Evs  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    -£10

MONDAY (03/06/18)

Timiniya (4.15 Gowran Park)
Fly The Nest (5.15 Windsor)

Let me save you a lot of time. From 2009 to 2017 there have been 4,238 beatne odds on to BFSP horses run again and next time out backing them all to BFSP would have yielded a pre comm profit of +73.2 pts, in other words a small loss. Your results to date are a fair reflection of where this is going. Better than being an overall heavy loser but no route to profit.

And what about being placed Olias? Cos over the stated days this last week he would be ahead just doing them to place.

Thanks for your input Olias. On the strength of your long term stats, it`s probably a waste of time and too much hassle. So after today, I shall quit. Worst scenario, is a total loss of £20 if Fly The Nest gets beat.

Thanks for your input Olias. On the strength of your long term stats, it`s probably a waste of time and too much hassle. So after today, I shall quit. Worst scenario, is a total loss of £20 if Fly The Nest gets beat.

.... well that is to a £10 stake so my overall loss shall be £100 to a £50 level stake which I was doing the past 11 days. Still, perhaps FTN will win at Windsor tonight to put in profit.

FRIDAY (25/05/18)
NO HORSES RUNNING

SATURDAY (25/05/18)
Spanish Point (4.10 Curragh) LOST 50/1  -£10
Applesandpierres (2.40 Cartmel)  WON 8/1  +£80

SUNDAY (27/05/18)
Latrobe (3.00 Curragh) 2nd 3/1  -£10
Gardens Of Babylon (5.55 Curragh) N/R
Ringa Ding Ding (3.25 Fontwell) 2nd 11/8  -£10

MONDAY (28/05/18)
Jumping Jack (2.00 Huntingdon)  2nd 7/1  -£10
Photographer (3.30 Leicester)  2nd 15/8  -£10
Mordin (5.25 Windsor)  2nd 5/4  -£10
Awayinthewest (6.30 Ballinrobe)  WON 4/1  +£40

TUESDAY (29/05/18)
Mayaadeen (4.45 Gowran Park)  3rd 4/6  -£10

WEDNESDAY (30/05/18)
Amadeus (5.00 Beverley) LOST 8th 9/4  -£10
Timiniya (6.55 Gowran Park) N/R
Smile A Mile (6.35 Ripon) N/R

THURSDAY (30/05/18)
Herm (5.20 Wolverhampton) VOID
Wells De Lune (8.00 Ffos Las)  2nd 1/2  -£10

FRIDAY (01/06/18)
Victory Wave (8.50 Goodwood) 4th 7/1  -£10

SATURDAY (02/06/18)
Sugar Coating (4.50 Doncaster) 3rd 11/4  -£10
Kew Gardens (4.30 Epsom) 9th 16/1  -£10

SUNDAY (02/06/18)
Coral Beach (2.10 Listowel) 2nd Evs  -£10

MONDAY (03/06/18)
Timiniya (4.15 Gowran Park)  5th 13/2  -£10
Fly The Nest (5.15 Windsor) 7th 4/1  -£10


Overall Profit/Loss    -£30

Mission abandoned. Time to move on. Good luck to all.

Bring back yer picture puzzle,mac.Or even better a new improved version of the old Riddle-me-Ree from the Daily Express

I thought I had found a winning system.

    Betfair only                                                                   

Jan01-Jun30	P/L 2015	P/L 2014	P/L 2013	P/L 2012	P/L 2011	P/L 2010	P/L 2009	7 yr total
limit 1	728	345	2,704	1,468	684	1207	2,282	9,418
limit 2	986	1,969	3,694	675	1,021	1,614	3,711	13,670
limit 3	1,887	1,030	4,680	939	1,000	1,123	6,266	16,925
limit 4	4,514	-690	5,481	1,543	4,601	5,883	11,046	32,378
limit 5	7,101	600	6,284	3,253	7,608	10238	14,627	49,711
limit 6	11,177	5,377	6,722	5,686	12,651	11318	20,528	73,459

Then the SHTF...
    Betfair+PaddyP                                   

jan-jun	P/L 2018	P/L 2017	P/L 2016	3 yr total
limit 1	204	-1,468	-791	-2,055
limit 2	-1,644	-2,211	-598	-4,452
limit 3	-2,520	-2,330	556	-4,295
limit 4	-2,281	-4,589	-2,217	-9,087
limit 5	-1,181	-3,367	-1,344	-5,892
limit 6	235	-1,970	-602	-2,337

Early figures are outstanding Grok. What went wrong from 2016?

Thanks lead on. I shall so that. Mind you, solving the puzzle shall be more entertaining than the tips

..... mind you, the photo tip showed a nice profit over the time it lasted!

What went wrong from 2016?

7 good years to be followed by 7 lean years?  
Market forces?
PP knows where the money is and lays off accordingly?

I keep totals of what price is best to back at... its nearly all change.

price	7yr avg	3yr avg
limit1	90	262
limit2	-246	-255
limit3	210	1,830
limit4	797	839
limit5	-938	877
limit6	-252	81
limit7	-1,493	-239
limit8	-323	94
limit9	-1794	-1340
limit10	-1122	-2925
limit11	1074	-51
limit12	3562	1626
limit13	814	-1176
limit14	2244	575
total	2624	198