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07 Mar 18 08:17
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I was not doing to well at Royal Ascot and it came to the last race a person I knew who would put money on for the stable lads of a certain trainer told me this horse

If I remember right their were a million runners I needed to get my money back so I backed it at about 12/1 thanks Barnie.
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Report Johnny_Mustang March 7, 2018 9:05 AM GMT
None of yours.
Report morpteh mackem March 7, 2018 9:09 AM GMT
our hero, trained by tim carr, was mid to late 90s, won at hexham. was 18lb out the handicap. remember local journalist doug moscrop going mental next day about 'how could it win ' etc, think he was kicking off because he wasn't on. Grin
won at 33s. pity bf wasn't around at the time.
Report xmoneyx March 7, 2018 11:11 AM GMT
neptune collonges

2012 grand national

exchange 55

templegate(steve jones)
Report equine flew March 7, 2018 11:15 AM GMT
Was at University in Lancaster... we had a racing club with Jack Berry honarary chairman.  On our annual visit to his stables, give us a for a horse called SERDU.

Had £50 on, which was a lot for me in those days.

I have never, ever seen a horse win easier.   Still running away from jockey when it crossed the winning line.
Report Willie Shafter. March 7, 2018 11:42 AM GMT
its virtually for a horse 18lb wrong to win..unless its never tried.
Report doncaster rover March 7, 2018 2:48 PM GMT
Nearly fourth years ago when I went to Cheltenham festival every year ,I was about 25 my group would meet a guy each year that we had a drink with he was very knowledgeable he gave us a tip for when we got back on the Friday,it was a 3 day meeting then,unfortunately I got cleaned out at the festival so only had a tenner on his tip which won about 5 or 6 /1 the following year I did ok and just about broke level on the week including drinks and hotel bill.we used to stay at the Yeoman Hotel in Gloucester city centre.Any way this freind we met up with again and he told us to get as much as we could afford on a horse called Yule Log it was about a month after Cheltenham in a flat race,think the rave was called the City And Subenham we got 7/1 on it and pretty sure it went off at around 3/1,it led from the start and won easing up by around ten lentghs.The following year we couldn’t find him on the track where we normally had a beer with him.On the last day we found out he had died two weeks previous,Agreat guy and to this day the most knowlageable Racing man I have ever met.I think my horse Made Of Honour will win at Newcastle next Tuesday I’ve got shares in two in the race but pretty confident this will win it get som Cheltenham expenses out of it
Report doncaster rover March 7, 2018 2:49 PM GMT
Fourty years ago
Report Tallywagger. March 7, 2018 2:51 PM GMT
Sabrehill, before its debut. Drifted like the kontiki. Bolted up.
Report Lee Ho Fooks March 17, 2018 7:52 PM GMT
Report cufcno1 March 17, 2018 9:34 PM GMT
Truckers tavern off a bloke in marbella won by 20l plus 5s into 9-2
Report DenzilPenberthy March 17, 2018 9:39 PM GMT
Monty's Pass backed @40's from an old Irish fella I never saw again
Report running on the spot March 17, 2018 10:19 PM GMT
Derek Thompson 16/1 winner
Report running on the spot March 17, 2018 10:19 PM GMT
Also Shaun Ryder 8/1
Report Fashion Fever March 17, 2018 10:49 PM GMT
Alexandra banquet 10/1 under a young ruby,

an 80 year old irishman told me on the way into cheltenham, that the young jockey no one had heard of would be champion in a few years
Report RothmanMike March 17, 2018 11:53 PM GMT
Take Control ,tipped up to me personally by the owner David Johnson, and trained by Martin Pipe.
Told me whilst watching a live race from an off meeting in the Lingfield betting shop.
Had just bought it from Ireland, had never run yet in a Hurdle race, but told me when it ran it had 3 STONE in hand.
Won 4 or 5 races before winning the Midlands Grand National at Uttoxeter.
Now that's what a tip.
God rest his soul , Mr David Johnson , a legend of the turf.
Report domino14 March 18, 2018 7:23 AM GMT
Not so much a tip, but remember arriving at Southwell one day in the late 90s thinking why am I here for 1 ride in a seller on a rank outsider. As I got the leg up the girl leading it up, said I ride him every day at home and when he leads he won't let nothing by him and he's tough but he won't go by in behind. She asked what the trainer had told me to do. I told her that I was told to see how he jumped, keep him happy and switched off and try and produce him late on as he's a rogue. He had only had 4/5 runs and never been in the first four. It was a trainer I had only rode once or twice for so thought nothing ventured nothing gained. Booed him out gates, sent him turning for home, won by about 4L and he was about 20/1. I think it's fair to say the girl leading him up made a few quid and the trainer was gobsmacked. Sadly the horse was claimed and only ran once again finishing out the back.
Report SOULDANCER March 18, 2018 8:11 AM GMT
Friend of my dad, Ken, worked in same pit, lived in our street. Had already gave me two tips that had placed, he'd saved some guy from a beating years before who then was working as a stable lad and gave him the tips.
  I was young and foolish and crazy then.
My first bet of day had been £70 Fighting Fit 9-4 won, then next Grand Canyon [ I think } £20 11-2 won.
  Come the last race I'd lost all my winnings and was not feeling happy. Ken walks into betting shop and whispers to me he had a tip.
More out of anger with myself for wasting my winnings I stuck £25 e.w. on Larryr at 10-1 {a debutante novice hurdler} in the last race of the day.
  No betting shop commentary until approaching the last hurdle, I was already resigned to losing by then, it's Larryr leading by two lengths jumps the last goes on to win.
  Ken must be around 90 now, saw his son the other day and related story to him then he passed this on to his dad. Ken still remembered and was chuffed to bits.
Report gutfeeling March 18, 2018 8:28 AM GMT
Domino14 that horse was thae horse one of Fanshawes by any chance ?
Report GHOSTOFALEXBIRD March 18, 2018 11:05 AM GMT
Jhonnys slippers trained by len lingo many years ago

Think there where 7 horses in the race all trained by Scots trainers

Backed j s all rates down from 25s to 7s I believe

Guess what it banged out in front and not another got near it[Cool
Report GHOSTOFALEXBIRD March 18, 2018 11:06 AM GMT
Gutty that lass would not of been mrs gut would it

What a small world if it wasGrin
Report GHOSTOFALEXBIRD March 18, 2018 11:07 AM GMT
L u n g o knot llingoCry
Report domino14 March 18, 2018 1:25 PM GMT
@gutfeeling ha ha no, I don't think a trainer like Fanshawe would have ever put me up lol
Report gutfeeling March 18, 2018 2:48 PM GMT
Could've been Ghost as she told me a similar tale near word for word just from her perspective so thought I'd ask.

No worries Domino, You'd have only been told to hold it out the back and let it enjoy itself then give it a slap 3 out and see what happens Grin
Report domino14 March 18, 2018 4:19 PM GMT
By ghost I presume you mean Helen, who has worked their donkey's and is really pale ?
Report jayc27 March 18, 2018 4:52 PM GMT
Newmill for the Queen Mother in 2006. They tipped it up in the Outlook around beginning of that year. 250 on the exchange. Won at 12 or 14s. Also had a tip around 92 of 93 a horse called Erbil that won at 50/1. They said it could go well but not to go in deep. Put a massive £3 on!
Report Crawford March 18, 2018 5:35 PM GMT
The thing that won the Champion Stakes under Frank at Newmarket a good few years ago.  Won at 20s or somesuch.  A tip from a tipping service that cleared a lot of the losses I'd accrued following their tips that year!

Also At Talaq which won the Melbourne Cup back in the 80s.  A mate of mine over here tipped me the wink when I was still living over there, said it was just short of top class.  Can't remember the price as it was on the TAB but a big winner!
Report unclepuncle March 18, 2018 10:04 PM GMT
Was at Uni in Leeds in 1992 and for some reason the Yorkshire Evening Post had an article a few weeks before the Festival on Montelado basically saying that it was a certainty for the new bumper at Cheltenham.
Report RothmanMike March 18, 2018 10:14 PM GMT
I notice that most of the tips mentioned to date were just selections.
None of the tipsters gave the reasons for these certainties, so for anyone backing them it was an act of faith.
My tipster, Mr David Johnson , gave me the reason which gave me the confidence to back it.
To qualify as a Tip, I would need chapter and verse ,which is singularly lacking so far in most of the above "stories".
Report a bitofinterest March 18, 2018 10:19 PM GMT
Report RothmanMike March 18, 2018 10:34 PM GMT
Another well-reasoned comment.
Tells you everything you need to know about the author.
Report a bitofinterest March 18, 2018 10:49 PM GMT
sorry mike,i suffer from insomnia

now tell me chapter and verse about your tip from mr johnson....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Report sageform March 19, 2018 8:12 AM GMT
Oh So Risky for the Triumph. One of the joint owners was a friend of mine but not that experienced in racing. Just after Xmas that season, Elsworth told the owners they could have what they liked on the horse as it was a certainty! As a novice owner he thought this happened all the time. It won easily at 100/8 on the day.
Report Bud March 19, 2018 9:55 AM GMT
When I was a student (40 years ago) in the holidays I used to work as a barman in a pub in Brum (The Wheatsheaf in Sheldon). There was an Irishman called Con who drank in there virtually every day. One day in the summer he asked me to put a bet on for him which duly won at 2-1 and he spent all night drinking his winnings away. On my way home I caught up with Con who was staggering back to his digs. We chatted for a while then he looked around to make sure no one else could hear and told me to back a horse called Dutchman next time it ran. He told me to keep it quiet and not to tell a soul. Anyway I told a few friends and we looked out for Dutchman over the next few weeks but it never ran. Months later just after Xmas I had arranged to take some friends to Warwick races. I was running a bit late and when I picked the last friend up he said it looks like we'll miss the first race. I replied probably but its only a large field of novice hurdlers and not really worth betting. Anyway he opened the newspaper then exclaimed 'F*** me, guess what's running in the first race?'. Dutchman was only running in the first race, it hadn't run for over a year and wasn't even in the betting forecast. I tanked it to Warwick and we got there with only minutes to spare. Dutchman was showing as the 3-1 favourite on most boards (we were in the cheap ring in the centre of the course). We managed to get 5-1 just as the flag went up. We retreated into the stand to pick out Dutchman and as they came past us there he was in the middle of the pack, an almost pure white horse. Those of you who know Warwick will know that if you are in the stand in the cheap ring you lose sight of the horses for a while and we couldn't make out the commentary so we were just waiting for the field to re-appear past the edge of the stand to our right. First a white horse appeared, then many seconds later the rest of the field eventually appeared. With about 3 furlongs left to travel Dutchman was already over 20 lengths clear. Dutchman jumped the last hurdle before the rest of the field had even got to the second last and won with the jockey hardly moving a muscle. I have never in my life seen a horse win so easily. Shame we were in the cheap ring because the SP was returned at 8-1.
Report craigie69 March 19, 2018 10:16 AM GMT
hard to figure ayr gold cup 33/1 ( also did small double with great winfred race few weeks earlier )
Report sageform March 19, 2018 10:58 AM GMT
Lacson was trained by Bob Hawker and one day when I was going to Worcester, my brother who knew Bob, told me that they had a very good horse that would win that day. I got to Worcester just in time for the first novice hurdle and saw a horse in Hawker's colours circling at the start and thought it was the one I had been told about. It was called Pick Me and I was amazed to see 33/1 on the boards. I backed it anyway and it won easily. An hour later I found out that they hadn't fancied that one at all and Lacson duly hacked up at around 9/4 in the second division of the same novice hurdle! Those were the days.
Report dyno-layer March 19, 2018 11:50 AM GMT
Back in the year 2000. I was fortunate enough to go to the craven meeting with a then very good friend of mine ( and who still is ) primarily to watch KINGS BEST run in the craven.

Gary Foster was the Stoute work rider who did a lot of the prep work on said horse and encouraged us to come and watch him run in his 2000 guineas warm up race.

He was too short for us to back that day but we were dissappointed that he might not be the horse Gary said he was.

After racing we met up with him in the pub and were surprised to find him as upbeat and chirpy as he was.

When we asked him why he was so full of the joys of spring he told us Kieran had told him not to panic. It had all gone wrong earlier today. He had no pace to aim at and got no cover so he had to go to the front far too soon as it was such a small field and in addition the dead ground was not ideal. Told us to keep the faith and said it would be a different story come 3 weeks time in the Guineas and if he was a decent price we could load right up as both he and KF believed this was a proper group 1 horse

I think we had a bit on early at around 14s and then got stuck right in on the morning of the race when we freely got around 10/1.

The rest is now history !!!!
Report Huggy March 19, 2018 1:27 PM GMT
Bertie blue boy 2.20 Lingfield

Sshhh keep it quiet
Report Deptford March 19, 2018 2:41 PM GMT
Buzzards Bay,Hunt Cup, 25/1, my old Grandfather,rest his soul was a regular at HQ, he was told a while before they really fancied it,I was 19, won a bundle
Report johnnyrant March 19, 2018 2:59 PM GMT
Primitive Rising when he won for Sir Henry at R.Ascot back in the 80s. Was reliably informed he was a steering job. Won the 12f handicap on soft ground as far as he liked. Ended up winning a G2 race iirc.
Report Keefter March 19, 2018 3:41 PM GMT
Some cabbie came into the old mans pub once, asked if he could use the toilet, yeah sure no problem. On his way out he said he had a tip for a bumper at huntingdon that afternoon, a Hobbs/Johnson runner, was 5-1, drifted to 22.00 on the exchange, romped home to win. only had a tenner on it, dubious of the drift lol
Report DenzilPenberthy March 19, 2018 4:14 PM GMT
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Take Control ,tipped up to me personally by the owner David Johnson, and trained by Martin Pipe.
Told me whilst watching a live race from an off meeting in the Lingfield betting shop.
Had just bought it from Ireland, had never run yet in a Hurdle race, but told me when it ran it had 3 STONE in hand.
Won 4 or 5 races before winning the Midlands Grand National at Uttoxeter.
Now that's what a tip.
God rest his soul , Mr David Johnson , a legend of the turf.

You might be thinking of the Scottish National 02 as he was tailed off in the Midlands National 03 definitely a good tip though
Report domino14 March 19, 2018 4:22 PM GMT
I think Pipe won the Midlands National with Dom Samurai, but not Take Control.
Report DenzilPenberthy March 19, 2018 4:35 PM GMT
The only time Martin Pipe won it was with Bonanza Boy (1991) who I remember as being small
David Pipe won it 4 times on the trot (2011-2014)
Report Honest Bob March 19, 2018 6:42 PM GMT
Don't stand too closely behind it.
Report carrot1960 March 19, 2018 7:12 PM GMT
Everyone that ever won
Report mrcombustible March 19, 2018 8:06 PM GMT
Early 80s,  Dark Ivy winning his bumper fto at Naas. Trainer J R Cox (Bunny) rider Mr C P Magnier sp 11/2
The professional jockey attached to the stable at the time asked me to have £100 on for him. Got 8/1. The money was handed over in a pub in Naas that evening.
Report dunlaying March 19, 2018 9:22 PM GMT
Solomons Lamp ,  not when it won . But in those days I had a memory and backed it at Yarmouth? after it had been pulled out of a handicap the previous weekend . How it was handicapped is beyond me as , as far as I can remember , it had only had the one run .
It was tipped to win a maiden at Newmarket I think , a no offers job .
I was skint and won the princely sum of £90 thanks to a Union Jack Patent with my remaining coppers. I guess it was Aldaniti's year .
I got back to the pub that night , The Castle , High Wycombe , and they had bottles of Champagne on ice hahahaha
It cost me more than I had ****g well won .
Report dunlaying March 19, 2018 9:23 PM GMT
50/1 when it won .
Report Storm Alert March 20, 2018 10:57 AM GMT
Many Clouds Grand National.  We were on the bus from Lime Street to the course chatting to a group of lads about what we had backed.  Somebody pointed out Many Clouds had some excellent form if one could forgive the previous run in the Gold Cup (he was backed).  Checked Betfair and he was trading around 44.0 so we all stuck a fun bet on my bet was £7.74 to round the balance down and to think we nearly got the metro.
Report G Hall March 20, 2018 11:24 AM GMT
Some geezer gave me a tip for redicean in the triumph hurdle last week,via the betfair forum, must have been a good horse took about ten to beat him.
Report stephaniebot March 20, 2018 12:25 PM GMT
Take your pick, all a long time ago, all from lady jockeys I knew

Pretty Cute (33/1) Lorna Vincent
Hello Luna (33/1) Pat Palmer
Royal And Ancient (50/1) Sara French

Those were the days.
Report Brian March 20, 2018 12:56 PM GMT
I was given a telephone number in 1990s which was used by trainer Mickey Heaton-Ellis to give out recorded general information to stable followers/owners (i'm not sure which). So for curiosity I rang it and was giving upbeat info on a horse running at Salisbury. The horse was called Slivovitz , a lowly rated horse 4-y-o who had never previously placed. What a load of rubbish I thought but then the idea of winning on a total rag had some appeal so had a £5 ew bet just incase. Blow me, I think he led all the way and just held on at 33/1 ( would have been 100+ on Betfair if it had existed).
As a by-product, give me some accolade in the betting shop!
Report Llamedos March 20, 2018 3:17 PM GMT
In the seventies(1977) I think, I had just left college and was working in a pub during the summer, in between shifts(the days when pubs closed at 2.30 and opened again at 6.00) I used to while away the time in a betting office, stakes where never more than 25p to 50p , but quite a lot of money to a poor student, one day a young couple came in about my age and we got chatting, not about horse but what went on the area(which wasn't much)they where from Devon and were stopping over for the night, I did tell them that I worked in a bar that was quite lively ie had a decent jukebox and a table football machine(really cracking stuff). Later that evening they came in to where I was working and sat at the end of the bar, not being very busy I spent a lot of time talking with them, just about general things, at the end of the evening the lad said to me do you like betting, I said I don't bet very much, just a bit of fun. He said to me ''there is a horse running tomorrow at Worcester it's called Perambulate, it will definitely win'', we are very confident I am the trainers son. Well the next day I got a loan from my manager from the pub of £20 and headed up to the betting office. It was in the days when away meetings weren't covered and you had to wait until they posted the result up on the sheet. I had told a few in the betting office about 5 mins before the off time so a few had got their 50p and £1.00 wins on, the tension was unbearable waiting for the staff behind the counter to mark up the result, It duly won about 3/1 I think. I had never had so much money like that before, kept me in pints of cider for a few weeks. Not a great amount for these days but back then it really meant something.
As a post script I never got to thank David Barons son as I never saw him again so if you are reading this or a friend of yours is, thank you so much from a very grateful poor student(barman) of the seventies . I reminded myself of this story a month or so ago when I noticed that Mr Barons the trainer had passed away. Not a tip as such but because Seagram was trained by Mr Barons I backed it to win the Grand National. I hope I have remembered correct, I am sure it was Worcester.
Report iamajambo March 20, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
Vaguely Noble as a 2yo,probably in the then Observer Gold Cup at circa 8/1.
Report Alices March 20, 2018 4:16 PM GMT
In the erly 80s,  a few of us in our local pub got together to buy a horse, George Smith who was Newmarket Correspondent in the Handicap Book was In charge as he knew Jim Old, we bought Black Penny and Jim trained her, first time out we went down to Taunton to watch her run, she came 3rd , ran well but we were a bit disappointed cos you think your own horse is a word beater.
Jim said , I know you wanted her o win but get your money back on a horse called Underrated trained by his neighbour Richard Holder in the long distance Hurdle, no price in the Sporting Life we only got 3/1, so deinetely job on, no mention until the 2nd last where it came through and won comfortably.
The one that  got away was in the Mares Final at Newbury later that season, Jim told us the previous Sunday that Black Penny would go close and the danger was Richard Holders, (again) Sea Spice, we went to Newbury, backed Penny only to see her get beat by Sea Spice by a couple of lengths, they both finished well clear of the rest and both were 10/1, not only did none of us back Sea Spice for a saver, we never did the forecast that paid 99/1.
As a footnote Sea Spice then went to the Dickinsons and Black Penny was the dam of the high cases chaser Simpson.
Report charwell. March 20, 2018 9:11 PM GMT
Can't ever remember being given a genuine, quality tip.

However, I can recall bumping into 'Statto' at the races. Ascot or Windsor or somewhere in the SE. I had made my selection and he asked me who I fancied. When I told him I got a solemn look and shake of the head and then he proceeded to 'tip me the wink' as to the 'good thing.' Needless to say I changed my selection and followed him in.

Of course the one I was going to back won at about 6/1. I think his tip is still running now; several years later! Crazy
Report DenzilPenberthy March 20, 2018 10:51 PM GMT
Report StillLearning March 20, 2018 11:43 PM GMT
I've had a couple in the past from trainers who have trained horses my friends dad owned. Probably the best one was about 93 a horse trained by Alan Bailey called Turn em Back Jack it was a hurdler/chaser.

Anyway we got word it was fancied so much that the jockey Mclaughlin was due to go on holiday that same day, but Bailey told him to change it for a day later as he had a winner for him. When we heard that we were on.

I think I got 14's it returned 10's I think, pretty sure it was commentary only in the small independant bookies I put the bet on. Think I had £20 on, I don't think the bookie was used to such big payouts, it ended up closing a few months later!
Report DenzilPenberthy March 20, 2018 11:57 PM GMT
Bailey always gives the impression he knows the time of day I kind of remember hearing him tell the Ayr Gold Cup story where the bookie ran off the course with his and Terry Ramsden's money Not So Silly 1987,I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
I used to get the odd tip from 'The Captain' through a guy who used to drink with him and was pally with Noel Quinlan as well,not sure of the connection but the guy used to always mention those 2 and was very pally with Robert Winston and Michael Fenton.
Report Oldgit1 March 21, 2018 12:39 AM GMT
I started a new job at the end of 1966 and a colleague used to back a lot of winners. It turned out his sister was going out with David Mould and I then had them passed on to me. Sadly he left to start a new job not long after.
Another time a colleagues father had a mate who had horses with Terry Mills and a lot of good ones came from there.
A friend had horses with a trainer I won't name and was told "That if this one does not win I will give up training" It won at 8/1 and paid for our summer holiday but I had to wait a day for the English papers to get there for the result after putting bets on it the day before going away.
Report cool eddy March 21, 2018 7:30 AM GMT
going back 30 years ago had a mate who worked on the bins told me a horse called Christmas cracker,mentioned it to my mate barry who also liked a bet on looking in his newspaper there used to be a tipster who would do a drawing for a tip think he was called lucky jim in the daily mirror cant be certain anyway barry spotted that the drawing was for the horse Christmas cracker both went to the corner bookie to place a bet had a fiver each it won at 33/1
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