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Willie Shafter.
16 Aug 17 21:42
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this to me looks the best value ive possibly ever seen.

I'd price him 1.02

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By:
acey deucy
When: 16 Aug 17 21:47
Freek Show....Plus I Smell A Rat.
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 16 Aug 17 21:51
Massive price, surely will completely outclass McGregor who will probably try and go mental and get picked off with ease. Floyd will be too technical and will be too quick for him imo, I reckon it will be a terrible fight and certainly won't be paying to watch it.

Stranger things have happened, but I honestly wouldn't bet McGregor at double the price.
By:
carrot1960
When: 16 Aug 17 21:52
Should be a no contest so why is he 1.27
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 16 Aug 17 21:54
we have a bloke who's been one of the best boxers ever...fighting a cage fighter thats never fought a boxer of any recognition.
I concur with acey...but mayweather has too much pride to chuck it surely.
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 16 Aug 17 22:17
It does seem one of those "too good to be true" things, but I cannot see why Mayweather would throw away his record to get beat by a cage fighter - even if there is a chance of a rematch for another stupid payday. Maybe he will, but to me it I can't see it happening. The price to me is more to do with his age and fitness imo, if he is beat that will be the excuse if it isn't too fishy!
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 22:20
Completely agree...assume he is only the price he is now, because...

1 - all the big hitters dont usually play until the week of the fight itself...
2 - the fake story about him being ko'd by Zab Judah in sparring today (Which also appeared in the lead up to the Pacquiao fight)
3 - Its been confirmed they are fighting in 8oz and not 10oz gloves today (Which Floyd has fought in for most of career lest we forget)

The fact still remains...Conor Mcgregor has to land punches on FM to win the fight, and seeing as this guy has made himself impossible to hit for the last 20 years by the best of the rest in his weight divisions, the price is just incredible value!

I just feel a clown for steaming into the 1/5 and not holding fire CryCry
By:
portmanpark
When: 16 Aug 17 22:34
scooper..what weight will they be fighting at??
By:
vidou
When: 16 Aug 17 22:39
McGregor must have some Agents/Advisors behind the scenes and whoever negotiated the purse for this fight for both fighters must be cover boy for Forbes Magazine for the next 10 years, but with the rumoured 100m purse for each 'fighter' it wouldn't be the biggest surprise of all time if there was a CM v FM II. Therefore I don't expect an early knock-out or indeed any knock-out. Narrow points victory/split decision/draw with both fighters trying not to hit each other too hard. Just the cynic in me, wouldn't be rushing to take 1.27.
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 22:43
PP - 154 they fighting at...the issue with the gloves fwiw is that the Nevada commission changed the rules some years ago, saying anyone fighting 147 or above should be in 10oz gloves ...im pretty sure Floyd has had a dozen or less fights in 10oz gloves so they shouldnt cause any issues....
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Aug 17 22:44
i make him 1.05 IF it was a real contest. But best to leave it alone imo in case it's some sort of fix. As JP says if you've got the hundred do you need the 27?
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 22:46
agree Vidou...last ko he achieved vs Ortiz 6 yrs ago, Ortiz hands were down, then u have to go back to Hatton in 08!, 2 ko in last 13 makes late stoppage by floyd when CM knackered & chasing the ko as miles down on pts, or pts decision the value play
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 16 Aug 17 22:47
You may have got the hundred backing 1/4 shots that you think should be 1/10 though..... As a one off of course you could lose on a 1/4 shot but that surely isn't how you look at it.
By:
vidou
When: 16 Aug 17 22:56
Be sacrilege scooper if FM does win and they give him a 50-0 record to overtake RM. FM a great boxer but not one of THE greats
By:
equine flew
When: 16 Aug 17 23:03
Two fighters at end of career.  Completely setup for 3 march series and biggest payday of all time.

However, I am a sucker for a conspiracy theory
By:
RacingLuck
When: 16 Aug 17 23:04
Put it this way if McGregor was 50/1 I’d 100% be backing him Tongue Out
By:
equine flew
When: 16 Aug 17 23:07
Actually I put it down to anyone who likes UFC being thick as f$ck
By:
RacingLuck
When: 16 Aug 17 23:15
Who the f$ck is that guy? ^^ LaughCool
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:17
Unfortunately Vidou, im only in my mid 30s, so missed the classic eras of Hearns/Hagler/Duran/Leonard and others so cant really compare the likes of FM to the top dogs in previous eras (except for youtube videos).... 

From a boxing point of view, i'd say he's the best ive seen though.... made it an art form in the fact that no one could lay a finger on him (I recall Pac man landed the princely total of 81 (jabs and power punches) the entire fight, an 8 weight world champ!) ....

Yes, he was never involved in tear ups like Gatti v Ward and the likes of which were spectacular, and the questions remain about him ducking MP and others at certain stages in his career and lastly the trash talking early on in his career (imo to generate PPV tickets, as he clearly no KO artist so had to achieve PPV sales another way)... but all said and done he dominated the division and beat whoever was put in front of him ..

Im just disappointed he will be remembered for equalling RM record beating a washed up Andre Berto on pts, then fighting a fella who has never fought a boxing match professionally in his final fight to break the record Laugh
By:
salmon spray
When: 16 Aug 17 23:28
Personally I'd rather lay McGregor. Could see a "draw" being possible for obvious reasons.
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:28
Fwiw....Floyd's odds in Vegas for fight nights during his career...


Result    Opponent    Odds    Method    R    Time
-    Conor McGregor    -450    -    -    -
W    Andre Berto    -3000    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Manny Pacquiao    -200    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Marcos Maidana    -600    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Marcos Maidana    -900    Decision (Majority)    12    3:00
W    Canelo Alvarez    -300    Decision (Majority)    12    3:00
W    Robert Guerrero    -600    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Miguel Cotto    -700    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Victor Ortiz    -500    Knockout    4    2:59
W    Shane Mosley    -400    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Juan Manuel Marquez    -360    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Ricky Hatton    -240    TKO    10    1:35
W    Oscar De La Hoya    -190    Decision (Split)    12    3:00
W    Carlos Baldomir    -700    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Zab Judah    -500    Decision (Unanimous)    12    3:00
W    Shambra Mitchell    -950    TKO    6    2:06
W    Arturo Gatti    -400    Referee Technical Decision    6    3:00
By:
vidou
When: 16 Aug 17 23:31
Nice to chat to an afficionado scooper, I had the pleasure of watching those fights Hearns/ Hagler/Duran and Leonard and very vaguely remember Ali after he came back from his enforced absence, probably missed his peak years but still love to watch the Frazier and Foreman scraps, Frazier v Ali trilogy probably the most savage but beautiful boxing events ever, still can't make up my mind who was the best. Mayweather best of the bunch over last 15 years, defensively probably one of the best ever but I would have loved to see Duran hunt him down and club him unconscious or SRL dance, jab and punch him into the canvas.
BTW I would say 'fortunately' you're in your mid 30's!!!
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:31
Judging by that, how in Gods earth can CM be classed as having a better chance than half of the names on that list, defies belief tbh
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 16 Aug 17 23:32
equine flew    16 Aug 17 23:03 
Two fighters at end of career.  Completely setup for 3 march series and biggest payday of all time.

However, I am a sucker for a conspiracy theory

thats whats putting me off.
By:
salmon spray
When: 16 Aug 17 23:33
Eggsactly Willie.
Draw a possibility imo.
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:42
Yes Vidou and u 2....Recall ODLH saying he had the blueprint to beat him, and yet still no one can stop the fella..Castillo arguably came closest years back in 02, but promptly got schooled in the rematch....

Re Floyd and Rematches with CM, he continually comes out with the "I want to spend time with family etc".. so cant see it myself, can see him looking to teach him a boxing lesson and collecting his money, Its his first fight at the T Mobile arena aswell, so will want to put on a show.... wouldnt be surprised if some sort of rematch is attempted but involving some sort of MMA being allowed, the dollar talks with him I guess
By:
vidou
When: 16 Aug 17 23:43
Draw 85/1 on here - rather have a quid on the draw than 1000 on FM. For once SS agrees with me
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Aug 17 23:45
fck it ive backed him anyway


One Las Vegas fight fan has placed a massive bet on Floyd Mayweather to beat Conor McGregor on August 26, and the bet was so big the bookmakers’ computer system could not handle it!

The unnamed punter wanted to place an $880,000 bet on the unbeaten boxing star to beat the UFC lightweight champion later this month, but South Point Casino’s system does not permit pay-outs of greater than $1million and the winner of this bet would have seen a return of $1.04million.

That led to an error in the original betting slip, with the winnings being calculated incorrectly at $120,000, but the sportsbook later rewrote the $880,000 punt as two bets of $440,000 to get around the pay-out limit.

    “I’m glad we got it,” South Point Casino’s sportsbook director Chris Andrews told ESPN.


This $880,000 gamble is believe to be the biggest bet placed on the August 26 super-fight and if Mayweather – the 1/5 favourite – is victorious, the unnamed South Point Casino customer will make a profit of $160,000.
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:46
Ill say this aswell Vidou, i take it you have seen Josh Taylor, the Scottish fella...He will be the next big one imo, looks the real deal based on his early potential,
By:
scooper82
When: 16 Aug 17 23:54
@ the fear...

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/maloofs-bet-880k-mayweather-give-winnings-charity-49197211

They used to own an NBA team so not short of a few quid and all profits (if he wins) are going to charity Happy
By:
vidou
When: 16 Aug 17 23:55
Yea scooper on ability its a foregone conclusion but like I said big business here I can see them both dancing backwards. Thought ODLH would have done it at one stage but defensively FM was brilliant, just think his legs might be starting to go as well
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 16 Aug 17 23:56
all these press conferences are just meaningless & cringeworthy..nothing but staged hype and showbiz.
By:
vidou
When: 17 Aug 17 00:02
scooper I was going to the Frampton fight until it was called off, Josh Taylor looks a great propect but Shane McGuigan is his trainer, allowing a fighter to weigh in 1lb over is total negligence. Rumours are that CF and the McGuigans are history. That worries me about JT's future
By:
scooper82
When: 17 Aug 17 00:03
Agree Roida, thats just an exercise to make sure that everyone who says pointless fight, mismatch etc & also declares they wont buy the PPV, end up doing just that Grin.. lets be fair, how in gods earth did so many watch Bellew v Haye, it was based on the supposed hatred between the 2

Vidou....his legs might be on the go, but still think he going to be far to0 mobile & elusive for CM, ...That video of CM "boxing",  he looks like the guy having a scrap outside a local boozer at 11pm, windmilling and all sorts Laugh
By:
ph.
When: 17 Aug 17 00:03
to my eye it isn't a boxing bout so the 49 zip stands, Money should be 1.01 or no offers. Don't people understand the diff between landing and evading punches against grappling, choking, bending or even kicking? There is a murky political background but if Money went for it then only a KO is on the cards.
By:
scooper82
When: 17 Aug 17 00:05
That meant to say they end up buying the PPV
By:
vidou
When: 17 Aug 17 00:12
Anyway GL to anyone who has a bet - hope you fill your boots - goodnight
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 17 Aug 17 00:17
cudnt agree more ph..i cannot get my head round bookmakers willing to lay 1/4.
By:
vidou
When: 17 Aug 17 00:26
Willie what you're asking here is why does the price stink...? That's what we're debating, he's a 1.01 certainty but...???
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 17 Aug 17 00:30
Even if it's fixed too look competitive I can't see Mayweather allowing McGregor to land enough to get near to winning the fight.
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