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mammamia
21 Jan 17 13:42
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Only 3 meetings yet they still allow 2 of them to go off together, do they not talk to each other and work out a plan !!!!

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By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 13:44
what is wrong with oirish racing ffs.....are they incapable of cooperation?
By:
aasbff
When: 21 Jan 17 13:44
Yes they are broadsword, always have been
By:
kjansch
When: 21 Jan 17 13:51
IRish going off to time

Haydock 5 minute delay for no reason

try to get the facts right
By:
duncan idaho
When: 21 Jan 17 13:54
Irish dont give a sh!t about clashing with GB...very much a one-way street, that one
By:
mammamia
When: 21 Jan 17 13:59
All they had to do was shift Haydock by 15 mins then all 10 mins apart
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 14:18
FFS Haydock has to be on at those times as it's being covered by a terrestrial channel.  That Irish stuff is barely being covered by its own CCTV.

Quite clear where the fault lies....AGAIN
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 14:20
they are very stubborn
By:
flatcap
When: 21 Jan 17 14:23
Record the Navan race and watch it when the presenters are waffling. Simples
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 14:23
Stubborn is rather polite, bs
By:
Barton Bank
When: 21 Jan 17 14:35
When considering the number of times UK tracks hold back races to wait for Irish races to finish (on occasion causing clashes with UK races in the process) it shouldn't be too much to expect for Navan to do the same today. Was never going to happen though.
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 14:43
Insular ****wits
By:
mandarin
When: 21 Jan 17 14:52
Totally no need for a clash today Plain
By:
pablo-fanque
When: 21 Jan 17 14:55
irish racing never wait or plan around the u.k. racing . there must be a reason that we are unaware of why this is the case as there seems to be no logic to it on a day like today . they only have to put races back by 5 minutes
By:
roder2
When: 21 Jan 17 15:00
its possible they don't know 2 meetings off over here. bless em
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 15:29
atr should have sorted this mess
By:
Tolmi
When: 21 Jan 17 15:50
Fascinating that something as innocuous as putting back race times by 5 minutes can bring out obviously deep seated anti Irish sentiment in some posters.Ironically in their rush to  ridicule the Irish posters are only highlighting their own ignorance!!

Irish racing unlike the UK is not funded by a levy system.Those UK races which are delayed until Irish races finish are delayed so as UK punters can place last second bets thus increasing the levy take.They are not delayed for any other reason.Therfore any "we do it for them why don't they do it for us" sentiment is plainly misplaced.

It is amazing that when an Irish race time is fixed and the UK meeting is put back to clash somehow it ends up being the fault of the Irish!!!

Obviously it is not an ideal scenario but I would imagine that with SIS being the provider of Irish racing pictures the fault lies more with them than Navan but obviously that idea wouldn't suit some posters on here.
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 15:57
Tolmi you clearly known what you're talking about.

So, to clarify, Irish racing does not benefit from the punters' pound/euro?
By:
TheFear
When: 21 Jan 17 16:02
Whenever I go racing the betting shops are full of punters watching the "aways". Why the f would Navan want to deny them this. Stubborness bordering on stupidity.
By:
Tolmi
When: 21 Jan 17 16:06
Headmaster.. the Irish government benefits from a 1% levy on turnover but off course turnover has currently no effect on racing funding.

TheFear...How do you know Navan were even asked to put back their times? It's hardly their fault that Haydock moved back to clash!!
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 16:45
So what happens in LBOs has absolutely no effect on HRI's funding, Tolmi? Bookmakers effectively pay nothing for the sport?

You sure about that?
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 17:44
as a protest after todays kockups .......I WIL NOT BE WATCHING  TOMORROW
By:
Wesdag
When: 21 Jan 17 18:09
I think UK racing might come out in sympathy by not staging any.

Plain
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 18:21
boycottoirish.com








dont be so sensitive tolmi.
By:
CustomCut
When: 21 Jan 17 18:25
So it's emerged that Navan agreed to delay their races beforehand but the Navan stewards interfered at the last minute. what a bunch of fking prats.
By:
skygreenzone
When: 21 Jan 17 18:38
Just goes to show what these people think of punters in the shops and at home betting online we are just scum to them.
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 18:39
Consternation as Navan and Haydock races clash

BY KEITH MELROSE 6:06PM 21 JAN 2017

ON A day when two meetings were lost, it might be hoped that fans watching at home could see all British and Irish racing uninhibited.

However, more than a quick finger on the remote was required for viewers on television as Haydock and Navan's races continually ran into each other during the busiest period of the afternoon.

The clash arose from Haydock's decision to move back race times by five minutes following Ascot's abandonment, for reasons explained by the BHA's media manager Robin Mounsey.

"As a contingency for the loss of Ascot we agreed with the racecourse to delay all races at Haydock by five minutes, which would allow ITV to show a fourth race from Haydock, which we were keen to accommodate so that terrestrial viewers could enjoy as much racing as possible," said Mounsey.

Many on social media voiced their frustration at the inability to spot the clash, but Mounsey went on to point out that it had been identified and acted upon. He continued: "As this would cause a clash with races at Navan we agreed with that racecourse that they would also delay.

Stewards' discretion

"These type of scheduling movements happen regularly," Mounsey added. "We are always keen to assist off-course betting, and have dedicated staff working on scheduling in real time.

"Our counterparts in Ireland are usually very accommodating to such requests. Unfortunately, on this occasion, when trying to enact this, the Irish stewards refused our request. We will follow up with the Irish authorities to determine the cause of the issue and ensure our regular cooperation is restored."

While officials at Navan were happy to accommodate the BHA's request, it was stewards at the course who blocked the move. It is understood that they saw no fit reason to delay their races.

Much was made of the clash of races on social media, with one tweeter observing that the finishes of the two races at 1.35, which included a Grade 2 novice chase at Haydock, took place within ten seconds of each other.
By:
broadsword
When: 21 Jan 17 18:41
"Our counterparts in Ireland are usually very accommodating"........ not what ive seen
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 18:45
Some apologies due on this thread.
By:
skygreenzone
When: 21 Jan 17 18:56
And people wonder why no one bets on the horses no more here is just one small example game is run by mugs and why do the stewards get the final say?
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 19:26
kjansch, Tolmi...ironically for you it appears some anti-English sentiment from the Irish Navan stewards appears to have fooked up everyone's afternoon.

Any comment?
By:
kjansch
When: 21 Jan 17 19:42
quite happy to reply

Haydock supposedly( if you choose to believe them) were told that Navan would not delay.
There's absolutely no reason why they should, its a completely unrelated racing jurisdiction - therefore Haydock chose to make their decision in that light.
By the way that doesn't mean i agree with Navans attitude.

Noone would bat an eyelid if a french race or any other jurisdiction went off at the same time as an English/British race.
Trying to publicly blame another country for your own decisions is beyond pathetic..that's quite an embarrassing thing to publish if you ask me.
Racing UK tracks routinely send their races off clashing with top Irish races, i'd say theyre trying to have their cake and eat it here.
By:
The Headmaster
When: 21 Jan 17 21:07
Blimey.

You weren't stewarding at Navan today were you, kjansch?  You've had slotted in just fine.
By:
spyker
When: 21 Jan 17 22:46
There's absolutely no reason why they should

Other than common courtesy, oh and encouraging as many people as possible to watch at a time when new people might be (watching). Never know, if they had been very accommodating itv might have shown the odd race from Navan and it could have been the start of a beautiful relationship made on itv4...........
By:
Cider
When: 22 Jan 17 09:07
I can see the argument from Navan's perspective tbh.

Only two meetings in the UK, who can go off whatever time they like (daylight allowing). The responsibility to shift lays with the UK imv. Why should everyone in Navan be delayed for 5 minutes to suit a UK broadcaster's scheduling?

Of course it's far from ideal for the races to be clashing, but itv should have been the ones to compromise, if anyone.
By:
broadsword
When: 22 Jan 17 11:52
boycott the oirish racing today..........serve em right
By:
spyker
When: 22 Jan 17 12:13
Of course it's far from ideal for the races to be clashing, but itv should have been the ones to compromise, if anyone.

It's got sod all to do with itv - if navan had been polite and agreed itv might have shown the odd race and it would have been good for future relationships, the local stewards obv saw things much more parochially, as is their right. The bha asked the irish stewards who said yes but the locals said no - repeatedly through the afternoon, the only losers being the racing public and irish racing.
By:
Cider
When: 22 Jan 17 15:46
Why didn't Haydock just delay for 10 minutes? The last could still have been off to time.
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