new oversized LCD bookmakers display boards

my thoughts are thus:

William Carson has only ever had one ride for Jim Goldie yet today gets on two fancied ones of his - furthermore leap frogs all the Northern jocks as a Southern based one going to Redcar..


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bookmakers taking no notice of rules and regulations what ever next ?

Rules are rules adge.  The problem as ever is getting them enforced.

furthermore William Carson has only ever had 7 rides at Redcar

it will depend on which bookmakers have placed the orders.

Will be interesting to see if the AGT actually stand by their rules or just change them.  If they change them then what is next?

Will it mean we won't have to stand in front of some fat bastad for 5 mins while waiting for his board to scroll round at the bottom (to discover the general 33/1 is 25/1).

Or will we still have to stand there for 5 mins but the 25/1 will be written in a bigger font?

There will be another column showing e.w. prices. We are aware that most books will never use this facility but we are hoping that the odd ones that do will inject an atmosphere of hilarity for racegoers.

One of the main reasons for size restrictions is to give the bookmakers on the second and third rows a chance.  If we all start sticking up huge boards on the front row it will block out the bookmakers behind and restrict the customers view of the best odds available.  Not on IMO.

SURELY OUR USELESS BOOKMAKING ASSOCIATIONS WILL BE ONTO THIS STRAIGHT AWAY TO MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE ENFORCED,OH WAIT A MINUTE ITS THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ORDERED THE BOARDS

Some bookmakers already have huge signage sourounding all the board including either side so what's the difference ?

Indeed Ian another rule never enforced.

And some of the Welsh flags seen at Chester and Bangor must be above the maximum height  !!

Over size board plus oversize signage then IanP.  Will they even be able to fit two joints next to each other with closing the gaps so much?  Doesn't seem very fair to me.

And some oversized bookmakers

you wouldn't see the board if Gary Wiltshire was taking your bet

We want oversized prices.

the bigger the board the smaller the price.

but seriously , these display boards are being churned out by the million [ made in china ] and cost well under £200 each so must be a profitable business for someone

Adge - is that correct "churned out by the millions", who else has need for these boards, wasnt the whole cost issue that there was no mass demand for them?

used for displaying all sorts of products throughout London and other major cities. it's only the computer software that converts it to bookmaker use.
and you can have ANY size made

note that these are LCD boards and not LED boards

are LCD better?

the only main difference is that the one's we have are only clear to view from direct in front but the new one's are equally clear from a ninety degree angle.
the main difference wit LCD screens is colour..it turns the board into a television type screen where all colours and flashes can be shown

well if they can be sourced cheap and they are only slightly out of agt guidelines maybe its better to change the guidelines and save everyone a load of cash when purchasing?

as some have already taken liberties with side panels I tend to agree , dave , but it has to be enforced by AGT which they have done little to so far. at present the BRBA are unanimously against the present increased size being allowed.

Davey , although they can be sourced very cheaply in bulk , RDT are not known for their generosity in passing on savings to bookmakers

At Ripon last month one of the new B.R.M made a bookmaker take a sign down advertising betting away because it was stuck out of the side and was against the rules.The bookie was on the 4th line as well so the guidelines are there to be enforced I believe some of the more established B.R.M just want a quiet life as proved with pitch renting.Adge I hope our association try to force this to be nipped in the bud fast

The New board is currently being used  by Bookmakers in Ireland,
also Riponbet And Chesterbet use the same board.our competitors

Agt Rules :Maximum width of odds board including signage – 800mm
remove the word "signage" and the board is within the rules.

Click Below image of Riponbet

WOW!!!! That's what Riponbet look like.

Surely on course bookmakers need a directive as to whether or not these new oversized display boards will be permitted or not!

Fancy buying one and then to be told, "Sorry you can't use that"!

Afternoon Paul, just what I need for the dogs.

Adge, What is the cost of full set gear, computer, screen, printer, and joint. New and rough price for a secondhand setup.

these boards look much better - though i'm guessing they are smaller in length?

Anyone know what the power consumption is like, I would not like to be carting yet more batteries around. Also whats it like in bright sun light.

The board uses same battery that powers the current board in use from Rdt
the only problem I have been told is polarisation ,if someone is looking at the board with
polarised sunglasses.
This board does not freeze,
price on board displaying different from laptop as happens with the current board in use.
The connection is through A HDMI Cable.

ladbrokes boards in Ireland

I have been assured by RDT at Doncaster today that it is not correct to say that they have taking orders for these boards as I was led to believe.
they have received a number of enquiries but RDT recognise that as they are a small amount wider [ also a little shorter ] than what the regulations allow they are under current rules unable to sell them.

This board does not freeze,price on board displaying different from laptop as happens with the current board in use.

Rdt boards I assume?  No freezes on elite.  I'd guess its a software problem.

clayfield1 , 10k to 12k or so. second hand when available half that or less...you can pay a daily rent for joints .
KILBY.. as you have some knowledge of these new LCD boards do you know an approx. cost ?

The new board is the same price as the current board sold by Rdt

Problem we have with this new board getting approval from the AGT Technical sub-committee
Don't know who is on the committee. I would like to bet they are not RDT customers.

I sent a email regarding the rule about the new board

Answer : The new model of electronic board, the one I think you are referring to, has been discussed on several occasions at the AGT technical sub-committee. The main reason it is not permitted on English tracks is because of its dimensions. i.e. It is bigger (wider) than existing boards. The sub-committee believe that because anchor-points are in fixed positions on most British racecourses the use of boards any wider than the existing models would unfairly block off sight of other lines and would in any case impinge on neighbouring bookmakers. If ever-wider boards were allowed to be used on the grounds that they were "only a bit wider", then where would it end?

   
As stated : Agt Rules :Maximum width of odds board including signage – 800mm
remove the word "signage" and the board is within the rules.

The boards we currently have will soon be Obsolete and the company will only produce these New Boards
we have to move with Technology.

Rdt will not sell you a board They Have a list of names of people who won't the New Board as soon as the board Is approved
I have asked Rdt to put my name down for one

I notice the pictures from Ireland show lLadbrokes using two boards on one joint.  Is that allowed over here ?

ian

somebody use to do it at fontwell i cant remember his name he was a big fella got some air time on c4 a few years ago for letting the punters have 25p ew on i think he no longer works on the racecourse.

No but you can have a wooden board 5ftX6ft seen at Aintree  !!

Again Agt Rule :It is not permitted to attach a second LED Board to the Joint. Secondary non-LED odds
boards (e.g. at Festival meetings to display odds for the later/feature races) may be used at
floor level at the discretion of the BRM, so long as they do not impact negatively on crowd
flow or other bookmakers (including ‘blocking off’ footfall or sight lines to other bookmakers).

Just to reiterate my earlier point - the new boards should be allowed with the caveat of side panels/signage NOT being an option - they will effectively be narrower than the present "allowable" width - what is the problem?........Or do the committee, whoever they are have a vested interest in NOT allowing choice and/or progress???

How about people who have just spent £4,500 on a board on the understanding that its the largest board allowable only to find shortly afterwards that the rules get changed and their competitors are now allowed a larger board?  Not very fair on them.  Where will it end?

Why arent these "new boards" cheaper if they are being mass produced?

I think they should be allowed (with no signage) but it should be from a future date, say July 1st next year, to allow everyone to get one if they want.

or shouldn't RDT deal direct with the Chinese manufacturers and order the correct agreed size width with a longer length. there may be a chance someone else might just beat them to it on this.

well what about this size  boards   accoring Agt rules they have to be on the floor !!

NOT IF YOUR IN A PRIME PITCH,THIRD,FOURTH OR FIFTH ROW CHELTENHAM TATTS AND THE RING POLICE WILL BE ON TOP OF YOU

SAME WITH PITCH RENTING!

The signage in the rules is all that has to be changed

We do not have to have led or lcd boards.
we can use plastic wooden or what ever we wont.
As it is within the stated size

The new board is 40 inch tv turned on its side
within a case and fully waterproofed.

if it was smaller they would not be able to get all information on the screen.

To be fair to those bookmakers working the GN, Aintree is one line, so despite their boards being bigger they arent blocking access to other bookmakers are they.

Yes Agree,
but if a bookmaker has two workers on front of joint.
does not matter what size your board is no can see through. front or back !!

true davy but there can only be one rule.

I agree with the Delta won [2nd post]