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steerforth
10 Sep 15 23:17
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Yet more evidence of falling standards - an extract from TF's write up on Gretchen's win in the Park Hill: "....retirement was muted in the immediate aftermath of the race, with connections sighting a lack of suitable opportunities against her own sex as the main reason........".

I might be a pedantic old f*rt, but it hurts to see the decline of standards which were once as constant as the stars above.

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By:
onlooker
When: 10 Sep 15 23:31
You are not being, "pedantic," - you are being both observant and aware.

Whoever wrote that - should NOT hold the privileged position that they so do.

The Timeform organisation is equally culpable - as there would appear to be NO sub-editing of the output.
By:
salmon spray
When: 11 Sep 15 01:14
Oh dear      Sad
Should I pay £75 for their/there/they're latest anuall ?
By:
duncan idaho
When: 11 Sep 15 09:31
privileged position? they are writing shitloads of horse racing copy daily on a modest wage...they're hardly members of Parliament
By:
saddo
When: 11 Sep 15 09:33
Shouldn't be writing owt for a living if ya cant use the correct spelling of words.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 11 Sep 15 09:38
"Muted" and "sighting" aren't even the correct words, never mind the correct spelling of words.
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 09:41
considered may have been a better word,other than that i think you have too much time on your hands gentleman
By:
saddo
When: 11 Sep 15 09:42
Sighting phonetically ok, just spelt wrong. Muted doesn't even sound like mooted.
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 09:42
*gentlemen Blush
By:
parispike
When: 11 Sep 15 09:51
If I'd have produced garbage such as that I'd have been embarrassed and shamed to see it in print. Oh and in my formative years in my professional career flayed, metaphorically, to within an inch of my life.

What's happened to the concept of having pride in producing accurate , readable and reasoned output?

Standards have slipped to such an extent that we now view as normal that which, a few years ago, would have regarded as completely unacceptable.
By:
parispike
When: 11 Sep 15 09:52
....Would have been regarded.....
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 09:54
correct use of commas though pike
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 09:56
as in the sentence should make sense if the words contained within the commas were taken away
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 10:09
Its not a slip of the keyboard guys; to have written "muted" for "mooted" and "sighting" for "citing", displays a pre-existing ignorance of the correct form. The understanding was present but not the education. But to be clear, my original point was to draw attention to the fact that this is TIMEFORM ffs, not some wet behind the ears undergraduate homework exercise where these thinks are all too common. TF has a history founded on the unshakeble values of it's founder - and it's being swept away before our eyes.  Makes me very sad!
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 10:10
"things" - oh dear - my own sub-ed is out this morning!!
By:
parispike
When: 11 Sep 15 10:11
"It's" founder?
By:
sean rua
When: 11 Sep 15 10:13
"these thinks"?
By:
saddo
When: 11 Sep 15 10:14
90% of the population think should've is written as should of, steerforth. There is no hope.
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 10:17
Good spot Paris - "its founder" is correct as there is no apostrophe in the possesive form. But I hope you agree we're in more trick territory with that one!Blush
By:
chelsea girl
When: 11 Sep 15 10:22
Not many English degree holders on this thread imo.Mischief
By:
sean rua
When: 11 Sep 15 10:26
I take the main point of the OP, but I suppose some modern ways of speech are an improvement. My guess is that at least half of the british and Irish population would struggle to comprehend the early BBC newsreaders or even that fkn horrible voice on Pathe news.

Went to the bank yesterday for an appointment. The young girl was punctual and fairly efficient. However, her English was almost worse than mine!
I don't suppose it really matters, but I cannot abide the way many popular media "stars" speak.
In particular, I detest that "sneery tone" adopted by the likes of Sky news or LBC. I know why they do it, but I just don't fkn like it.

Btw, sorry about being three posts too late above.
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 10:27
Rejoice - it's just been corrected - I checked in the hope that someone was reading this thread. Fair play, there is hope for us all.
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 10:46
Whilst I have someone's attention, can I also appeal for Tuesday's write up of the 4.55 at Galway is also corrected. "A steadily-run maiden hurdle that ended up being fought out by brothers Diva Dawn and Dylrow, the former taking it up at the last and getting the better of his younger sibling". Diva Dawn is a mare!
By:
steerforth
When: 11 Sep 15 11:06
Thank you so much - very much appreciated.
By:
ribotman
When: 11 Sep 15 11:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smi2wrGD40
By:
herrero
When: 11 Sep 15 17:53
oh for the days when those less talented individuals were described in the black book (then pocket sized and better) and the annual "Racehorses of ...." as "useless", "of no account" and "a thorough jade". You knew where you stood when Phil Bull was doing the comments.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 11 Sep 15 20:04
If I'd have produced garbage such as that I'd have been embarrassed and shamed to see it in print.

Laugh
By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 11 Sep 15 20:30
The point is that the English language, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread.  I believe Phil Bull was a teacher previously so not surprising he was a scrupulous writer. 

Just to go slightly off topic, when Phil Bull first started Timeform he done the comments and D1ck Whitford done the ratings.  The partnership didn't last and Whitford later went on to do the ratings in the Sporting Life.

Back to topic, any serious writer, in every sentence he writes, should ask himself several questions:

What am I trying to say ?
What words will express it and could I have made it clearer ?
Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly ?
Could I have put it shorter ?

But today with text and twitter etc the English language is in a bad way......
By:
crepello
When: 11 Sep 15 20:47
Just to go slightly off topic, when Phil Bull first started Timeform he done the comments and D1ck Whitford done the ratings

Oh dear .......
By:
neill d
When: 11 Sep 15 20:49

Sep 11, 2015 -- 2:30PM, Hound-Dog-2 wrote:


The point is that the English language, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread.  I believe Phil Bull was a teacher previously so not surprising he was a scrupulous writer.  Just to go slightly off topic, when Phil Bull first started Timeform he done the comments and D1ck Whitford done the ratings.  The partnership didn't last and Whitford later went on to do the ratings in the Sporting Life.Back to topic, any serious writer, in every sentence he writes, should ask himself several questions:What am I trying to say ?What words will express it and could I have made it clearer ?Have I said anything that is avoidably ugly ?Could I have put it shorter ?But today with text and twitter etc the English language is in a bad way......


did the ratingsGrin

By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 11 Sep 15 21:09
Whoops didn't say I was a scrupulous writer, haven't got a degree in English.
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Sep 15 21:21
Standards are dropping, it's a fact !
By:
nalky
When: 11 Sep 15 21:27
has been asked some big questions in her short career but seems to be finding her feet now, her pedigree pointing to her thriving on this longer distance, a half-sister to Doncaster Cup winner Samuel, and so it proved as she followed up from her listed success last time, still not looking the finished article but showing a good attitude where it mattered, grinding this out despite some early over-exuberance; mid-field, didn't settle fully early, but began to make headway over 2f out, challenged Melodious approaching final 1f, stayed on into a narrow advantage entering last ½f, kept going well, looking better the further she went; retirement was mooted in the immediate aftermath of the race, with connections citing a lack of suitable opportunities against her own sex as the main reason, though that seems slightly premature, as more progress should be forthcoming as she continues to fill out her considerable frame and has her stamina further tapped into, it not out of the question that she could make up into a Cup horse if kept in training next season.
By:
PeteTheBloke
When: 11 Sep 15 22:17
Best thread I've seen here for years. Who knew we were such an educated bunch?
By:
PeteTheBloke
When: 11 Sep 15 22:18
Just a thought: could the decline in liquidity here be linked to the decline in the standard of written English
in betting literature? It looks like there's a correlation.
By:
nalky
When: 11 Sep 15 22:24
still cant beat timeform for me, i wouldnt have a good bet without it.as a back up to what i see and think tho
By:
salmon spray
When: 11 Sep 15 22:30
They lost my trust when they made Frankel,a horse who was only once run out of his comfort zone,the best of all time.
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 22:32
i use timeform arseroll as it relaxes me when i read it,i find it easier reading than some of the supercilious bile on the bf forum
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 11 Sep 15 22:33
what is the point of language? to communicate meaning

did anyone miss the intended meaning in the OP?

if I was subscribing to timeform which I dont, id be more concerned with the racing knowledge of the employees than their grammatical correctness and spelling

its a silly mistake from the writer but ultimately there is no harm done as the meaning is received as intended

I would just move on and completely ignore something like this, it wouldnt even register with me and in fact it didnt when I first read it, my brain doesnt take much notice of irrelevancies
By:
chavman
When: 11 Sep 15 22:35
i concur.your brain doesnt engage with much
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