johnny theres no fbots in ireland because the politicians rightly didnt allow them...politicians after all legislate for these things!!??! and if they were handing out drugs at every street corner would drug use rise?of course it would. some people are weak.they need to be protected from these horrible evil machines.as in banning them.at least if people are betting on horses/dogs/football theres some degree of skill attached as in form, draw etc.
johnny theres no fbots in ireland because the politicians rightly didnt allow them...politicians after all legislate for these things!!??! and if they were handing out drugs at every street corner would drug use rise?of course it would. some people
So if they legalised brothels in the UK would we all rush off and get conker's deep in some hooker? Of course we wouldn't. Oh, hang on....
In the same way people choose to climb a mountain 'because it was there' they don't necessarily have to do their b0llocks on a FTOB simply because it was there.
And as usual, I'm right.
So if they legalised brothels in the UK would we all rush off and get conker's deep in some hooker? Of course we wouldn't. Oh, hang on....In the same way people choose to climb a mountain 'because it was there' they don't necessarily have to do their
drink/drugs/gambling..all very addictive and will ruin most peoples lifes if allowed to participate freely.
which in this country unfortunately they are.
drink/drugs/gambling..all very addictive and will ruin most peoples lifes if allowed to participate freely.which in this country unfortunately they are.
There are always going to be people with a tendency for self destruction, it’s difficult to try and save them from themselves without curtailing the freedoms of others. E.g. I shouldn’t be prevented from buying a few bottles of spirits or a crate even if I want just because some would proceed to drink themselves unconscious and into hospital etc.
I dunno what the answer is but if you then legislate to limit the money put into the machines, what’s to stop people then randomly put money on horses, dogs, football? The end point is to then limit all betting to small stakes and only so many £s per hour.
There are always going to be people with a tendency for self destruction, it’s difficult to try and save them from themselves without curtailing the freedoms of others. E.g. I shouldn’t be prevented from buying a few bottles of spirits or a crat
I used to be a secretary of a working mens club and the gaming machines kept that club going until the bookmakers got hold of them. We had our addicts just the same but at least the money was put to a better use.
I used to be a secretary of a working mens club and the gaming machines kept that club going until the bookmakers got hold of them. We had our addicts just the same but at least the money was put to a better use.
What the Doris in the shop should have done was make Terry take a break when she took him that drink over. Terry was lucid and understood what he was doing whilst not playing the machine. These machines are designed meticulously to brainwash the player, that is why they should be banned...
What the Doris in the shop should have done was make Terry take a break when she took him that drink over. Terry was lucid and understood what he was doing whilst not playing the machine. These machines are designed meticulously to brainwash the pl
From what I saw with a carpenter that did some work for me there also seems to be lot of the same stuff available on your phone, so if you’ve got a bank account there’d always be a website which would happily take all your money while you watch the flashing colours and shapes move about etc.
From what I saw with a carpenter that did some work for me there also seems to be lot of the same stuff available on your phone, so if you’ve got a bank account there’d always be a website which would happily take all your money while you watch t
People who complain about getting accounts closed down by bookies, which is disgraceful obviously, why not just get those bets on here? Or am I missing something?
People who complain about getting accounts closed down by bookies, which is disgraceful obviously, why not just get those bets on here? Or am I missing something?
potless, either the markets are not available, significantly lower price on the exchange, zero liquidity/market not formed. Most of my business is conducted away from the exchanges. I might add that horse racing is not my field, but specials is.
potless, either the markets are not available, significantly lower price on the exchange, zero liquidity/market not formed. Most of my business is conducted away from the exchanges. I might add that horse racing is not my field, but specials is.
Simple solution for FOBT's is install eyeball or face recognition in all of them and you could spot problem gamblers with the blink of an eye...no excuse with the technology era we live in...Just my look at it all...
Simple solution for FOBT's is install eyeball or face recognition in all of them and you could spot problem gamblerswith the blink of an eye...no excuse with the technology era we live in...Just my look at it all...
Blimey I havnt caught up on this thread only read last few posts. Face rognition technology? Then they will know who is playing and how they play and have a set pattern to take the most they can from the individual on data they hold about you. And you know they would, Amazon did it.
BlimeyI havnt caught up on this thread only read last few posts.Face rognition technology?Then they will know who is playing and how they play and have a set pattern to take the most they can from the individual on data they hold about you.And you kn
Aviboyd I used to see ppl who were for the most part functional bright individuals do their brains in on big jackpot bandits. I worked behind the bar, and any notion of telling somebody 500 down it might be a good time to stop would have received derision. Also what would happen if they stopped for a bit and the next guy put a quid in and dropped the big un? I've seen some nasty situations where ppl wanted the game shutting down while they ran around getting more cash to chase the jackpot. Evil feckin things They are like puppeteers.
AviboydI used to see ppl who were for the most part functional bright individuals do their brains in on big jackpot bandits.I worked behind the bar, and any notion of telling somebody 500 down it might be a good time to stop would have received deris
The most important situation is the betting shops will allow anyone to lose any amount in a fobt..but they wont allow anyone to win by placing bets over the counter..that is the biggest scandal.
The most important situation is the betting shops will allow anyone to lose any amount in a fobt..but they wont allow anyone to win by placing bets over the counter..that is the biggest scandal.
I know a guy who backs big (and I strongly expect loses) who thinks 365 are great. He told me he backed a golfer who for reasons I can't remember didn't appear for the final round and he rang up to complain and they agreed to give him half his stake back. So I'm not surprised they will lay "certain" people what they want. Wasn't that the guy(on BBC show) who backed a greyhound each way (quarter the odds I presume).
I know a guy who backs big (and I strongly expect loses) who thinks 365 are great. He told me he backed a golfer who for reasons I can't remember didn't appear for the final round and he rang up to complain and they agreed to give him half his stake
Unlikely to be value if it is a competitive race - to be fair don't know how competitive that particular race was though I thought the bookie was reticent about giving him the price until he mentioned each way.
Unlikely to be value if it is a competitive race - to be fair don't know how competitive that particular race was though I thought the bookie was reticent about giving him the price until he mentioned each way.
As a rule I don't back anything less than 3/1. If my selection is 4/1, I'll back it. It someone says to me, that's not the value bet of the race, this xyz at 7/1 is the bet, I'll ignore it. My selection is based on sound criteria, so I back it. Whether it's ' value' or not ( win or lose)is totally irrelevant to me.
As a rule I don't back anything less than 3/1. If my selection is 4/1, I'll back it. It someone says to me, that's not the value bet of the race, this xyz at 7/1 is the bet, I'll ignore it. My selection is based on sound criteria, so I back it. Wheth
I have never understood when their is a price cut off for a selection for some punters within reason. I've read many say they wouldn't back odds on, but surely everyone would have backed Frankel at 10/11.... Granted that is moving the goalposts very far so to speak but I just don't get it myself - EVERYTHING has a price imo.
I have never understood when their is a price cut off for a selection for some punters within reason. I've read many say they wouldn't back odds on, but surely everyone would have backed Frankel at 10/11.... Granted that is moving the goalposts very
One of the mates of the bellend punter in the York corals box who couldnt spot the horse he had punted was Chris Melling. Former world pool champion and Mosconi cup player.
One of the mates of the bellend punter in the York corals box who couldnt spot the horse he had punted was Chris Melling. Former world pool champion and Mosconi cup player.
jamesdean 04 Aug 15 17:23 Might be irrelevant to you facts but it will certainly be relevant to your p+l being a + or a -.
Nope. My profit is banked thank you, irrespective of whether winning bets are classed as ' value' or not.. If my selection process states a bet, then it's backed. it's not based on whether it should be 5/1 or 8/1 ( says who ?). Am I going to not bet it at 5/1 because 'someone' says it should be 8/1 ? I don't think so !
jamesdean 04 Aug 15 17:23 Might be irrelevant to you facts but it will certainly be relevant to your p+l being a + or a -.Nope. My profit is banked thank you, irrespective of whether winning bets are classed as ' value' or not.. If my selection
facts you must be a good judge of prices they are certainly not irrelevant
try adding just 10% on all your lays and taking 10% off your backs and see what happens
facts you must be a good judge of prices they are certainly not irrelevanttry adding just 10% on all your lays and taking 10% off your backs and see what happens
Well if you are winning long term you will be getting value whether you are looking for it or not. You might think it is irrelevant but if you weren't getting it consistently, looking for it or not, you'd be losing.
Well if you are winning long term you will be getting value whether you are looking for it or not.You might think it is irrelevant but if you weren't getting it consistently, looking for it or not, you'd be losing.
and take off any percentage from the price it will of course have a huge bearing on your p&l
if you are doing ok it's like JD said, it's because you are judging which prices are ok still even if this is not a conscious process.
well if you back only mateand take off any percentage from the price it will of course have a huge bearing on your p&lif you are doing ok it's like JD said, it's because you are judging which prices are ok still even if this is not a conscious proces
I make a profit because in a year, the winners x price taken gives me a return greater than my overall stake. Those winners were backed because of the selection criteria. An arbitrary ' value' price, is not part of that criteria.
I make a profit because in a year, the winners x price taken gives me a return greater than my overall stake. Those winners were backed because of the selection criteria. An arbitrary ' value' price, is not part of that criteria.
Doesn't matter whether it was an arbitrary matter or not. You say you only bet 4/1+. If you started betting them at 5/2 as well (under value) you'd lose long term.
That's called getting value.Doesn't matter whether it was an arbitrary matter or not. You say you only bet 4/1+. If you started betting them at 5/2 as well (under value) you'd lose long term.
The winners to selection ratio of the methodology I use to select a bet,is pretty consistent ( based on 8 years of records). As is the average winning sp.( over same period) As long as the price obtained exceeds the winner/ selection %, I will make a profit. As I only back in handicaps, this price requirement is obtained. I accept, if it were not, or the winner/ selection % dropped ( or both !), then I would lose. So one could argue ' value' is being obtained. But, I repeat, value in its self, does not govern my selection process.
The winners to selection ratio of the methodology I use to select a bet,is pretty consistent ( based on 8 years of records). As is the average winning sp.( over same period) As long as the price obtained exceeds the winner/ selection %, I will make
i don't know what it is about the word that seems to upset some people, it may not be visible but it drives everything.
you either back or lay enough at the right prices or not however you select them.
if you don't you lose money and that's a 100% certainty.
i don't know what it is about the word that seems to upset some people, it may not be visible but it drives everything.you either back or lay enough at the right prices or not however you select them.if you don't you lose money and that's a 100% cert
If a definition of the word ' value' is making profit. Then I agree !
If it's ' that horse should be 10/1, so don't back it because at 5/1 it's not 'value' ' . Then I disagree.
If a definition of the word ' value' is making profit. Then I agree !If it's ' that horse should be 10/1, so don't back it because at 5/1 it's not 'value' ' . Then I disagree.
i cant think of any system that is going to pick out winners within a narrow range of prices that then turn out to be profitable in the long run?
how do you selct then factsi cant think of any system that is going to pick out winners within a narrow range of prices that then turn out to be profitable in the long run?
If it's ' that horse should be 10/1, so don't back it because at 5/1 it's not 'value' ' . Then I disagree.
depends who's opinion says it should be 10/1 innit
If it's ' that horse should be 10/1, so don't back it because at 5/1 it's not 'value' ' . Then I disagree. depends who's opinion says it should be 10/1 innit
if you are looking back to predict results on something that has generated profits in the past
i suppose you can say price doesn't bother you
most systems eventually get eroded if they have shown profits over a few years
if you are looking back to predict results on something that has generated profits in the pasti suppose you can say price doesn't bother youmost systems eventually get eroded if they have shown profits over a few years
pawras 04 Aug 15 18:40 doesn't matter what your average winning odds are on their own, it's that measured against your strike rate that count
I refer you to my post of 17.59
pawras 04 Aug 15 18:40 doesn't matter what your average winning odds are on their own, it's that measured against your strike rate that countI refer you to my post of 17.59
if you are following a system and it is actually successful in the long run (as i said most are eroded showing any sort of decent profit within a few years ) then the value is implied in this subset even though it is not what you are selecting on.
moist will be assessing a race and using their judgement though and making a call on what price they will accept on any given runner.
if you are following a system and it is actually successful in the long run (as i said most are eroded showing any sort of decent profit within a few years ) then the value is implied in this subset even though it is not what you are selecting on.mo
if you back everything that has a/b/c/d in place because it has been successful over time then you are not focussing on price per se, you are saying in effect there is an implied value over time in this subset of runners and trusting this will be upheld in future.
this is the only circumstance where price is not an issue to you in your selection process, you are trusting an implied value rather than trying to set your own value price (which is what most do).
its the definition dickieif you back everything that has a/b/c/d in place because it has been successful over time then you are not focussing on price per se, you are saying in effect there is an implied value over time in this subset of runners and
But one thing is for sure . . .We each have our ways and if it works for you/me/him/us/them then of cause its that way.
As long as we all have a nip at the fagins of the high street hey
That made my head hurt stridBut one thing is for sure . . .We each have our ways and if it works for you/me/him/us/them then of cause its that way.As long as we all have a nip at the fagins of the high street hey
A pretty dire series. The second instalment was the only one worth bothering with and that for reasons that didn't have much to do with the betting industry. The only useful aspect of the last one was to confirm that ending up in a Coral's box would test anyone's sanity. If these are the type of clowns they want to look after....
A pretty dire series. The second instalment was the only one worth bothering with and that for reasons that didn't have much to do with the betting industry. The only useful aspect of the last one was to confirm that ending up in a Coral's box would
i first evaluate the fight then decide who i think will win,if the price is not right (imo) i will not back said boxer(or horse) Value is an overused term in betting,pick the winner first(what you believe will be) then decide wether the odds are for you. The only time i would back a 'value' selection,is if i make it a pick 'em fight, book odds 1/3 11/8,i would then probably back the 11/8 shot
i first evaluate the fight then decide who i think will win,if the price is not right (imo) i will not back said boxer(or horse)Value is an overused term in betting,pick the winner first(what you believe will be) then decide wether the odds are for y
Is Steve Palmer any relation to Mike Palmer (ex Racing Post)?? The 2nd episode was hilarious.. Comedy Gold (nearly as funny as this thread) but to be honest the series was total crap!!!
Is Steve Palmer any relation to Mike Palmer (ex Racing Post)??The 2nd episode was hilarious.. Comedy Gold (nearly as funny as this thread) but to be honest the series was total crap!!!
Is Steve Palmer any relation to Mike Palmer (ex Racing Post)?? The 2nd episode was hilarious.. Comedy Gold (nearly as funny as this thread) but to be honest the series was total crap!!!
Is Steve Palmer any relation to Mike Palmer (ex Racing Post)??The 2nd episode was hilarious.. Comedy Gold (nearly as funny as this thread) but to be honest the series was total crap!!!