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jollie
10 Jul 15 13:03
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just had the fateful pop-up that the great original site is going in a week or 2.

Betfair please keep the old site , I cant believe you are getting rid of your greatest asset ! it is far far better in every way than the new one , surely this is an ill considered and reckless act of corporate suicide.

You want me to beg? , I'll do it .
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Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 11:19 AM BST
Sorry pumphol. Yes I have got them back on the old site by playing around with the options tag. I haven't got the colours for the US stuff but you never did. Don't really need them because the Yanks colour-code their racecloths.
Thanks.
Report rolfee. July 26, 2015 11:29 AM BST
Signed. Why is Aussie racing still "old site" ? Try switching between the two sites,  ROFLMAO !
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 11:36 AM BST
I daren't even try switching sites. I prefer to use Firefox and the link given above works but if you switch to the new site you can't get back to the old site without having to put the link back in.
On Chrome,which I rarely use googling the exchange takes you to the new site but the old site option is still there. That works for the moment.
Report moondan July 26, 2015 12:03 PM BST
I have no problem getting to the old multiple site using firefox by either clicking onto multiples or bsp multiples but the singles markets win or place are slow and the fact your balance is hidden is amateurish in the extreme.
Not sure what their long term aim is but if it was up to me I would keep the old site and add a few of the ideas from the new site and then drop the newer site from a great height wrapped around the heads of those who thought it was a good idea, they could then claim job done.
Report dixie July 26, 2015 12:06 PM BST
Sparrow -

I tried what you said, & got the new site.

I've got the new site in the dining room & the old site in the living room.

The only positive on the new site for me is extra place betting.
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 1:06 PM BST
dixie, that link works perfectly well for me and many others. Have you put that address in correctly?
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 1:11 PM BST
I got it at the 2nd attempt dixie.
Report bluesbirds to win July 26, 2015 1:21 PM BST
on the racing page  like to have bigger view by removing the left side list of next race but  cant find the remove left side horse racing list  so that I can view inrunning on a big full page    wtf
Report dixie July 26, 2015 1:23 PM BST
I'm in the living room now, on the old site.  I'll try again later.
Report bluesbirds to win July 26, 2015 1:24 PM BST
signing in  I hate it   racing view is too small
Report Lee Ho Fooks July 26, 2015 1:31 PM BST
Well well well, another one shows their disgust at being forced to switch to the "new" site. Note their joining date & number of posts!!
Report bluesbirds to win July 26, 2015 1:54 PM BST
eyes going funny already in half hour of new site wtf  and  like racing view bigger  and   seeing yellow  make me ill and  it looks like someone being sick on the floor with  those  bright stuff     while old is on cool and chillout blue


where   the full view  due to left side meal  is  stuck and made  page view   far far too small


desktop here
Report This is for BIG Players only July 26, 2015 1:56 PM BST
p*** poor new site, slow, not user friendly & colours poor.
There's no way I can place as many bets on the new site even if I wanted too, but maybe that's the plan?
Report john92 July 26, 2015 1:58 PM BST
IT boys who don't even punt slapping themselves on the back over a shandy at a job well done. Makes me feel ill.
Report bluesbirds to win July 26, 2015 1:59 PM BST
have not   bet yet  due to delay of looking at gruss   and settings  nil works  at the mo  what the playing games around  having a break now  for a week bye till it inprove   if not   it a worry    and else where  is a worry too
Report BIG CAT LEON LETT July 26, 2015 2:00 PM BST
no like,fwiw
Report jmdc July 26, 2015 2:20 PM BST
The problem now is those on the new site won't get matched as quickly as those on the old site - a distinct disadvantage!
Report doonvy July 26, 2015 3:10 PM BST
Old site back after two days first bet with betfair since Thursday been on purple hope betfair are rethinking .
Report barstool July 26, 2015 3:13 PM BST
I have been on Purple with win bets as well, much easier on the eye.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 3:32 PM BST
the new site needs some tinkering to get right -not in a massive way -it has potential and i do see a few benefits  , the colours need an option to change - they're very loud imo - bright blue and pink yukk .
The adverts/games promotions are highly annoying ,but this is how things are in 2015 .It's a commercial venture - nothing is done to suit Joe public unless there is money in it .  I seem to find it's working quite well on Google chrome.
I still prefer the old site as of 2015.

Having said that ,i think this site is the right way for BETFAIR .

They want under 30 players ,not the old hands i'm afraid and this new site is more up their alley way . I'm guessing most complaining (like myself ) are all over 30 and let me guess- none of us like change that much unless we see an instant progress.
The site will evolve and you will get used to it . But let me again repeat ,it's the votes of the 18 - 25 age group that matter ,  they are the spenders on here longer term. 

We might as well shout at the heavens . If the youngsters hate it then yes,BF will revert back .
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 3:35 PM BST
I hope none of you have been using the site since the change over in an attempt to win money Wink


as i said ,money talks (in all languages)
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 3:52 PM BST
I would think many of the under 30 players have only known the new site.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 4:15 PM BST
Sparrow ,certainly those under 21 and a fair few under 30  ...maybe there are enough of the newbie players to carry the baton .
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 4:21 PM BST
We ought to shoot everybody under 35 and start again imo.
Report EastLower Gooner July 26, 2015 4:25 PM BST
its geared to the younger folk, the newbies and the clueless...hence the reason they're opening up new markets like E Sports and League of Legends.

ultimately you want people walking in, seeing your product and spending loads of money because they've been seduced by stuff like the Cash out facility...the old guard who know how to look after their funds are not wanted.

don't blame them to be honest...it's a business but ffs.
Report NORTH BERWICK July 26, 2015 4:30 PM BST
New site is shocking. No way was it designed by the same people.
Report jmdc July 26, 2015 4:39 PM BST
Under 35s won you the election in 1997 salmon - how soon you forget.
Report john92 July 26, 2015 4:42 PM BST
We ought to shoot everybody under 35 and start again imo.


Sad
Report sewter lives again July 26, 2015 4:51 PM BST
vote with your money
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 5:14 PM BST
jmdc 26 Jul 15 16:39 
Under 35s won you the election in 1997 salmon - how soon you forget.




Only a few of them to shoot now then.      Grin
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 6:15 PM BST
East Gooner is correct of course. What is needed is heavy advertising of the new exchange  on the Babestation channel or something.

I think it's a positive thing IF it brings in new players  - those players would normally be in town at the Showboat .

I'm hopeful.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 6:18 PM BST
I will add  (and not to rub the salt in )  but the protests are on the Horsey forum where the average punter is like  around 75 .

On the football forum some 2 generations down ,there isn't a single thread of protest - that should tell you all something  Happy
Report jmdc July 26, 2015 6:30 PM BST
^ They are hardly betting on immediate results!
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 6:32 PM BST
Yes coachbuster,  I was also a little surprised to see nothing on the football forum. Is there anything on the General Betting one?
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 6:41 PM BST
There's quite a few negative comments on various threads on footie.
If the average age on here is 75 I might have to shoot myself for being too young.
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 6:51 PM BST
A little under average myself as well.  Shocked
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 7:05 PM BST
Laugh
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 7:06 PM BST
jmdc - no ,but a lot of decisive betting in play on group stage Champions league games etc .

in play Racing and Tennis is always going to dodgy = even on the classic site
Report jmdc July 26, 2015 7:11 PM BST
They make you wait 10 seconds Coach - hardly decisive!
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 8:14 PM BST
on some games yes -  but i don't think i'd trust the old or new site for racing in play  ,both are fine for straight SP bets  of course .


The color problem i hear is to be sorted early August
Report onlooker July 26, 2015 8:18 PM BST
Coachblaster -

Betfair should be aware of the old sayings ...

'Look after what you already have'

'Don't bite the hand that feeds you'

In the latter case - Your 'bright young things', "Under 30s," will be mostly Backers -

The experienced OLDER Betfaiians are the Major LAYERS on here - and thus SEED the Markets.

NO LAYERS > NO Liquidity > NO Market = NO BETFAIR.
Report Darlo Bantam July 26, 2015 8:24 PM BST
I think similar onlooker.

This might sound or probably be outlandish, but I genuinely think Betfair have listened to customer reviews and opinions, and the layout is something that a lot of punters want. But you can't just have a site that panders to more customers' wants when they might all be £2 punters. When it comes to liquidity and Betfair exchange's future existence, not all customers are equal - you have to keep a broad spectrum of punters all happy. Yes, there will be a lot of important punters who don't care because they will use API, but there will also be lots who don't too. My own thinking is Betfair simply have forgotten to listen to those customers.
Report sparrow July 26, 2015 8:35 PM BST
Good point onlooker regarding the older players being the main layers.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 8:37 PM BST
onlooker ,i agree mate ,they should look after their older customers  but there is little loyalty in business - the problem is BF don't seem that bothered about marginal sports ,only the big events which look after themselves - so it's not an issue for them .

The young will be backers ,and if the liquid ditty is  low on the exchange those  same youngsters may be tempted to have a look at the Sportsbook - by now  it will have barely dressed models luring them in Laugh
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 8:38 PM BST
they know what they're doing
Report JH Rogers July 26, 2015 8:42 PM BST
Not just being the main layers, they can hold money and turn it over. Running an exchange to earn commission?
They should be trying to attract new players into sb, arcade or bingo - which seem to be higher up the pecking order than the exchange.
Report Darlo Bantam July 26, 2015 8:54 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 2:38PM, Coachbuster wrote:


they know what they're doing


Without the exchange, Betfair are nothing. Just another faceless bookie without anything unique. I can't for a second believe, that Betfair would completely neglect the exchange.

Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 8:55 PM BST
they need links to porn sites and flashing adverts a'la Vevo flashing up every so often .Grin

BF are seriously missing a trick here
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 8:57 PM BST
Darlo - they won't let it get to that mate ,don't worry your pretty self .

When you have a monopoly in town  they can get away with what they like .
Report Darlo Bantam July 26, 2015 8:58 PM BST
Then I don't think they really do know what they're doing.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 9:23 PM BST
well,their profits seem to be on the up -  so they must be doing something they like .

I think it's more a moral duty we are talking about on here ,and that fails imo .

As far as a business goes ,they have every right to tell us to mind our own business.
Report onlooker July 26, 2015 9:28 PM BST
Coachbuster -

Can we keep this thread SERIOUS, please  - and in the spirit of the thread Title...

- without going off on many varied tangents on your undoubted MINORITY opinion.
---------------
- and - the RISK FREE, CONSTANT CASH FLOW, of COMMISSION generated from the EXCHANGE is still, by far, the Bulk of Betfair's PROFITS.

Surely, no company in such a situation, is going to RISK LOSING that 'GOLDEN EGG' - at the behest of attracting some 'here today, gone tomorrow' young NEWBIES to a SPORTSBOOK ..... Where there IS RISK to Betfair's OWN MONEY.
Report duncan idaho July 26, 2015 9:30 PM BST
yep, i have been switched over to the new site as of yesterday and i'm not happy at all  Cry
Report barstool July 26, 2015 9:36 PM BST
Not much risk onlooker. Tried to get £50 ew on a 16/1 shot on Sportsbook the other night.

£25ew was all they would lay me.

Even had the audacity to say try our exchange market if you want more on, when they know full well there is no liquidity early doors in the exchange market.
Report Darlo Bantam July 26, 2015 9:48 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 3:23PM, Coachbuster wrote:


well,their profits seem to be on the up -  so they must be doing something they like .I think it's more a moral duty we are talking about on here ,and that fails imo .As far as a business goes ,they have every right to tell us to mind our own business.


Totally agree. However, Betfair - the initial idea anyway - is a unique product, which now has a couple of suitors but still have a huge market monopoly on the initial product. For that reason, they probably ought not take core customers for granted otherwise they risk losing what makes them unique.

Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 9:54 PM BST
Coachbuster -

Can we keep this thread SERIOUS, please  - and in the spirit of the thread Title...

- without going off on many varied tangents on your undoubted MINORITY opinion.
---------------

are you a dictator ?
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 9:58 PM BST
Darlo - i'm sure some in the company still want this and most on here

,but money talks and BF wouldn't be the first company to cash in by losing sight of what their customers want .

Virgin,Tesco etc -i can think of loads  - but companies use sweeteners to get punters back  because deep down few customers have low moral values of their own .

If BF were in trouble and offered the compainants on here 1k of free bets they would be back like a shot - this is why firms take an arrogant attitude at times ,money is the key to power.
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 9:59 PM BST
high moral values *
Report Coachbuster July 26, 2015 10:00 PM BST
and you know i'm right onlooker Wink
Report john92 July 26, 2015 10:21 PM BST
Tried to get £50 ew on a 16/1 shot on Sportsbook the other night.

£25ew was all they would lay me.




Last night I was offered a max bet of £5 on an 11/8f
Report jim_royale July 27, 2015 11:19 AM BST
been using the link but logged into new site just now and link to old site was back.
Report zipper July 27, 2015 12:06 PM BST
If all you guys  fold  your account  maybe  just maybe  Betfair will  have a rethink
Report salmon spray July 27, 2015 10:39 PM BST
ttt.
Specially for mini me if he hasn't signed it.
Report Super Hans July 28, 2015 8:48 PM BST
Has the towel been thrown in?

Or is there no one left to sign?
Report sparrow July 28, 2015 8:51 PM BST
I would think most have signed by now. Many of us are still using the old site on Firefox.
Report Hibore July 28, 2015 9:14 PM BST
signed
Report oneman July 28, 2015 9:43 PM BST
signed
Report greening July 29, 2015 6:49 AM BST
signed
Report EVILROYSLADE July 29, 2015 8:20 AM BST
Link to old site returned on new site when I logged in. I'm on old site now.
Report Ming_the_Merciless July 29, 2015 9:22 AM BST
signed
Report YOMOMMA July 29, 2015 9:36 AM BST
signed.
Report tommycockles July 29, 2015 10:27 AM BST
.

https://en-betfair.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5976?rfr=798967&mpch=ads
Report chamberlain July 29, 2015 10:30 AM BST
Signed
Report ashleigh July 29, 2015 10:31 AM BST
explanation at the top as to why the change to the new site.Sad
Report salmon spray July 29, 2015 10:34 AM BST
Just read that. They have to be joking. The new site which is VERY difficult to use is being rolled out so they can advertise all their other crap to exchange users.
Do they think we are fools ?    Mischief
Report YOMOMMA July 29, 2015 10:35 AM BST
"liquidity pooling" on the new site = more betfair bots. Plain

They do need a "new" website but the one they have designed is not fit for purpose.
Report zipper July 29, 2015 11:31 AM BST
signed...
Report Janthefish July 29, 2015 3:13 PM BST
They've admitted they're still developing the 'new' site, why not wait til it's working properly before switching old one off?
Report Gordon63 July 29, 2015 3:36 PM BST
if i load firefox, can i deffo still get the old site?
Report jmdc July 29, 2015 3:57 PM BST
No
Report duffy July 29, 2015 4:03 PM BST
signed

firefox can't access the old site for me now as from today
Report letsallleave July 29, 2015 4:34 PM BST
signed
Report tomhunt July 29, 2015 4:40 PM BST
signed
Report pizzaro July 29, 2015 4:44 PM BST
signed...
Report Voice of reason July 29, 2015 4:54 PM BST
Signed...
Report gooroo July 29, 2015 5:04 PM BST
Signed.....
Report the.mad.dog.man July 30, 2015 1:16 PM BST
signed the new site is s..t
Report EVILROYSLADE July 31, 2015 12:15 AM BST
Just hate the new site. It is useless. Slow in the extreme and a complete strain on the eyes. This has to be the worst ever customer relations cokc up in history.
Report sparrow July 31, 2015 7:31 AM BST
Is today our last day of freedom?
Report the.mad.dog.man July 31, 2015 1:32 PM BST
old site is best by a mile or 8 furlongs
Report Lex August 4, 2015 1:12 PM BST
ttt.  Anymore to sign?
Report pumphol. August 4, 2015 1:16 PM BST
All for what to get easier access to the games & the wonderful sportsbook

If your looking in Betfair, tested the water last night with a 0.01p double on the horses, needless to say this was restricted LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report kavvie August 4, 2015 1:16 PM BST
no doing bf any harm liquidity wise  1.5 mill stg matched on a run of the mill race in windsor last nite..
Report brassneck August 4, 2015 1:50 PM BST
there income tax on that race alone will cost them 13.5 grand,a little headache for the accountants ,I would guess,but then im only a nobody from nowhere.
Report marko69 August 4, 2015 2:05 PM BST
nOWT wRONG wITH tHE nEW sITE, wORKS fINE
Report freddiewilliams August 21, 2015 2:06 PM BST
who left
Report Lex September 10, 2015 4:13 PM BST
The Old Site will be switched off 15th September.
Report sezler44 September 10, 2015 4:35 PM BST
absolute shambles this new site.
markets dont load, balance dissapears
Report sparrow September 10, 2015 4:51 PM BST
If we could have just kept this for exchange only punters and left all the other rubbish on the new site.
Report casemoney September 10, 2015 5:54 PM BST
Chaosbet
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