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having followed the all weather this season am becoming more convinced unfair play is happening on the all weather horses drifting alarmingly jockeys not trying is it really worth risking your hard earned for this?
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It's the punters minds that are fixed and their own incapabilities,aw is and has always been the nightmare for books
anyone who has a natural eye/aptitiude for racing the opportunity is there to win consistently and it's limitless if you put in the hours to begin with. Anyone betting that thinks they the can devote time and have natural aptitiude should go straight to aw racing,because that's where you will win big turf racing has become a joke with so much watering,last season was the worst ever I can remember numerous meetings dry all week and having the words''watering to maintain''on good ground.You would naturally expect ground to be nearer gd/gdfm but meetings were riding gd/sft and that happened all season, just too much guessing on the turf it's become futile... |
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It's not fixed. It's just overloaded with non triers.Too many profiting from losing.
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Fixed is the wrong word,but it isn't hard to find examples of races where there appears to have been considerable collusion - Heavily backed favourites soon well placed from improbable draws, big market drifters ridden aggressively or taken to race on the slowest part of tracks etc. As a punter, you either have to avoid it or accept the corruption as part of the game and work round it. And it is not just confined to all-weather either. Most 2m novice hurdles in particular contain a majority of non triers.
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Yes, last Wednesdays debacle springs to mind !
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Yes just on the AW but not anywhere else.
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lols sparrow all racing has its non triers
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All weather will always be this way trainers holding horses back till handicap mark falls then boom the gambles on seen so many times this season i dont bother with it full stop brendan powells rakaan 25s down to 5 blows in. last 3 races before gamble beaten 105 plus lengths.george baker dana's present 10s down to even money no form whats so ever wins turning hand springs.it will always be this way punters left in the dark mugs on here laying them because the prize money is so poor bha has to do more to address the issues but normally the betfair markets tell you all you need to know.
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Name ANY Walk of Life that's 100% straight ... bet you cannot
don't rush lads.. |
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boga. I agree with what you say,but it applies to all racing in Britain not just AW.
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op should just delete the word weather from thread title.
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Virtually every corruption charge has involved the rancid AW. Things go on in all forms of racing,but The AW is by far the worst culprit
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Its got so bad - my profits are at a record high
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First read the form / no the form
Second read the market tells YOU ALL you need to know back or lay |
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Is that zipper or the gardener relaying zipper's thoughts from abroad? Mad as a box of frogs!
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Dave me and zip have been together 40 years plus , ok he aint every once cup of tea
but he is what you get ... its lump on time ..lay this till your nose bleeds and all that jaz that's zip 3 certs today he asked me to bet |
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Might make uncomfortable reading ...
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Dave me and zip have been together 40 years plus...
A nice threesome... each to their own and all that. |
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Dave before zip retired he was a doctor 33 years
your post 12.29 is lets keep it simple like me ......Rubbish but that aint the first time you came out with rubbish |
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Den Maschine 3/1 out to 9/1 and finishes 2nd last
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still shorter than the 50/1 it was last time.
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TRD.Racing 23 Feb 15 16:35
Den Maschine 3/1 out to 9/1 and finishes 2nd last Could never happen on the turf. |
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Not worth trying unless the moneys down,trainers wait till everything is right,jockeys bunged for trying hard when moneys down,and paid to stop when it suits.game not policed so what do you expect.
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Is All racing fixed ?
That should be the question, these smug 4-eyed **** should really be shot, there needs to be some sort of Jihad taken out on them. |
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in my experiance the day everything is right the price is wrong and they don't win ,formbook and window from throw .
cant wait till the turf season gets going ,another 40 thousand 2yo,s to sift through  |
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all things are fixed where moneys ivolved,if you want a great laugh go on youtube and see on punter on poker stars showing how that site is fixed.
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Well if there isn't corruption in AW racing some people are missing a great opportunity.
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Whilst I might be wrong (don't think I am) what is more worrying on these poorer tracks is way horses are ridden, lack of pace and speed generally including stop and start and perhaps more importantly change in tactics usually reflected after timing in big drifts and noticeable market activity. Looks bad and is bad however do understand ability of these animals no better than ****.
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To answer the question, not in my opinion.
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I've always thought that the AW should be easier as the going is more or less consistent and you don't have all the different types of track to contend with.
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all to often the people who have backed a horse that has drifted and lost cant look at themselves and accept blame it's an ego thing, far easier to blame the game
market dynamics people, I wouldnt for a second be suggesting there isnt skullduggery there most certainly but a horse who drifts in a race doesnt necessarily drift because the stable are laying the b0ll0x out of it 2 more points for the thicketts who cant understand why they lose their dole money Hugh Taylor regularly makes profit, his selections are there in black and white every day with workings *hint* plus it doesnt matter if its fixed or not it can be worked out with a modicum of effort |
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Zipper was a Doctor for 33yrs.....................
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Its rarely fixed, the vast majority are playing the game though which suits me fine, non triers are an occupational hazard, if you dont want to deal with it only bet on the quality races.
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You onlyhave to look at the amount of unplaced favourites
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The fact that a horse drifts is not an indication every time that it's a non trier. There are plenty that win. However there are too many that drift dramatically just before the off, miss the break, run wide on the bend, then are brought back inside to run into traffic.
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One only has to look at the measly prize money on offer to get your answer. How on earth are connections of low grade horses meant to cover their monthly costs?
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How do Trainers survive from a business point of view if they play with a straight bat.
Outside of the top half a dozen trainers the game looks like commercial suicide. Many trainers subsidise the cost of training to owners in order to retain their horses,so the money has to come from somewhere. |
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Its only fixed when i lose.I think.
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