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TheFear
16 Jan 15 18:29
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By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 18:31
out of 10

how much does whip hurt the horse
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 16 Jan 15 18:31
spends a fortune on his hair
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 16 Jan 15 18:31
Why not ...it'll be the same for everyone.
By:
easygold
When: 16 Jan 15 18:32
Nonsense........... talk....... there are so many horses that need a crack over jumps. And I have seen Franco.. use the batton a lot when he was riding a slow boat.
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Jan 15 18:32
Not sure. If you go to slap your kid across the face but don't actually make contact how does the kid feel?
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Jan 15 18:33
He doesn't look bad for 62 mad dog man.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 18:33
lost his tan

must be living the highlands
By:
ZEALOT
When: 16 Jan 15 18:33
THE FEAR - what a senseless statement stfu
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 16 Jan 15 18:33
If they cant jump without being hit they shouldn't be in the race in the first place.
By:
easygold
When: 16 Jan 15 18:34
a half a ton getting a few taps with a weakened tool since he has ridden........ Talking rubbish
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Jan 15 18:34
Exactly, thin and crispy. You can't say they love to race but need to hit them to jump.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 18:34
try slapping a bbw ,they love it
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 16 Jan 15 18:36
So far his argument is limited to - ban it tomorrow and no one would say anything after a week and it's stopping people from coming racing because they don't like that sort of thing.
By:
EastLower Gooner
When: 16 Jan 15 18:36
Personally....don't know why need jockeys...greyhounds get around just fine...lets do that
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 16 Jan 15 18:37
It's a difficult one because without looking at things like recourse to the whip I'd imagine the stewards would find it harder to rule on non triers. On the other hand it is difficult to defend races where the horse which wins is the one most vigorously beaten. Possibly controversially had they took the whip off him I don't think McCoy would have ridden nearly as many winners. Of course when your money is down you often like the fact that your horse is going to be ridden by somene like that or Richard Johnson who will both get stuck into a horse to get a tune out of them.

On balance I would ban it and level the playinf fied to the best or most willing horse and actual jockey ship being rewarded rather than brute strength.
By:
martin118
When: 16 Jan 15 18:37
What a joy to see Francome lay into these two useless muppets.
You can see Harvey thinking 'FFS hes not agreeing with me'
He is absolutely spot on on the whip and the National
By:
MJK
When: 16 Jan 15 18:38
All the AW jockeys should be whipped
By:
Ramruma
When: 16 Jan 15 18:38
Racing needs to find a way of enforcing the existing whip rules -- which imo means disqualification -- or a complete ban is where it will end.
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 16 Jan 15 18:39
spends a fortune on his hair
By:
ZEALOT
When: 16 Jan 15 18:39
his hair looks like a weakened mop .
By:
TiptheOdds
When: 16 Jan 15 18:40
Remember when the new whip limits were brought in we had exactly the same discussion. At the end of the day we would still have winners and losers. 

But imo the positives would outweigh the negatives:

1. The best jockeys would still win most races, but strength, balance and jockeyship would be more important
2. There would be less interference since mostly horses veer in response to the whip
3. No jockeys would get whip bans
4. The sport would not lose any fans, and might actually gain some
5. Exhausted horses would no longer get beaten up to finish 4th or 5th, just so the jockey appears to the stewards to be making every effort
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 18:45
does francome gamble
By:
aberdonia
When: 16 Jan 15 18:51
Is he saying that the should have no whip at all when riding.

utter nonsense.

the world has gone pc mad.  I will bet if he was still riding he would not be saying this.
By:
aberdonia
When: 16 Jan 15 18:52
cant believe that there would be less interference without a whip.

horses would be rolling into each other all the time.
By:
sewter lives again
When: 16 Jan 15 18:53
I agree with Francome about the whip
By:
differentdrum
When: 16 Jan 15 19:00
Until a horse starts talking nobody knows how much pain the whip causes. It is just speculation. It is a fact that not hitting them at all will cause less pain.

Personally, I think the whip is only retained because jockeys actually enjoy the macho element of showing how strong they are in a finish, they don't like the idea of using hands and heels for any length of time and some punters can't accept a jockey is trying unless he is actually using a whip. Don't think they are strong arguments for retaining it as anything other than a steering aid.

I am not sure what is so wrong with the horse who has the most natural ability beating one who has be 'persuaded' to win.
By:
aberdonia
When: 16 Jan 15 19:04
not using a whip does not mean that the horse with the most natural ability wins.

probably means that the most willing horse will win rather than the most talented.
By:
TheFear
When: 16 Jan 15 19:06
That's the same in athletics or boxing whatever. The one who applies himself most might beat a more naturally talented rival.
By:
kevinglass
When: 16 Jan 15 19:28
If the horse who has the most will to win gets first prize, then they'll be the ones that are used more as stallions/borod mares, and eventually you'll breed out the ones that don't want to run.

Might take a wile mind, and of course no more Mad Mooses!!!
By:
ZEALOT
When: 16 Jan 15 19:54
He's not right about whipping

I love it when my horse gets whipped ta fyk
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 16 Jan 15 22:33
Perhaps it's time to start looking at alternatives to the whip:

- The permitting of ear plugs that can be pulled out during a race?

- Something that a jockey can carry that when switched on makes a noise that provokes the flight response?

- The ringing of a bell at the 2f marker? (I know that may sound ridic, but they use it in the USA at the start of races). Then again you may end up with regular racegoers going deaf after about 20 years Grin

All suggestions welcome...
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 16 Jan 15 22:38
whipping horses in the last two furlongs is an addiction.........the jockeys do it for no reason whatsoever..............they just keep cracking away.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 16 Jan 15 22:46
Did use of the whip cost a horse a race yesterday - Canuspotit? The head-on showed it hanging badly to its left in the closing stages.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 16 Jan 15 23:06
OK, let's come up with some SENSIBLE suggestions that could replace the whip as a means of stimulating the flight response and ensuring horses keep running / quicken up.


How about:

1. Someone on a powerful motorbike follows the horses round at a safe distance, then at the 2f marker starts revving the engine like a f*cking lunatic!

2. Someone sits in the ambulance that follows the horses round, then around the 2f marker, winds down the window and through an amazingly powerful megaphone, shouts:

GIDDY UP YA LAZY FARKERS...

3. A hungry lion that hasn't been fed for over a week is released onto the track after the horses turn into the home straight in order to give chase.

I'm sure you will all agree, these are flawless, thoroughly well researched ideas!
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 23:27
Doris day shouting whip crack away 1furlong pole





https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xmujSyxkU
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 16 Jan 15 23:32
Excellent suggestion, xmoneyx, and it's given me another idea...

You could have cowboys following the field round, then around the 2.5f marker when the jocks start asking their mounts for an effort, the cowboys would start cracking those long whips. So we'd still have whips, only they'd wouldn't be used on the horses!
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 23:37
stewards fine jockeys for whip wrong hand,so obviously whips keep horses from veering
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 16 Jan 15 23:41
think JF was advocating keeping it handy for cases where horse starts veering / misbehaving.

I guess the line could become somewhat blurred however.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 16 Jan 15 23:43
richer the race,harder the whip

all races £500 max
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