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By:
portmanpark
When: 23 Sep 14 13:41
if he said ..would have got within 8l he might have had a case
By:
themover
When: 23 Sep 14 13:49
By:
portmanpark
When: 23 Sep 14 13:49
????
By:
Clerkmore
When: 23 Sep 14 13:50
He might have a point over a mile.
By:
portmanpark
When: 23 Sep 14 13:51
yes over 1m he would have got within 8l
By:
portmanpark
When: 23 Sep 14 13:53
his only run this year in a fast run race he got beat...........he then won his other races in races run slowly
By:
Clerkmore
When: 23 Sep 14 13:53
He'd have beaten him in Frankel's St James Palace.
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 23 Sep 14 13:53
enzo kingman a good horse but frankel  much much much better
By:
acey deucy
When: 23 Sep 14 13:54
Not a hope in my book!!!!
By:
portmanpark
When: 23 Sep 14 13:55
in a fast run race its hard to say he was superior to night of thunder...........frankel would have ate him for breakfast
By:
soba
When: 23 Sep 14 13:59
Hair raising
By:
MJK
When: 23 Sep 14 14:03
Surprised that Enzo would make a selection without seeing who was favourite first.
By:
nellie1970
When: 23 Sep 14 14:16
lets be fair enzo had to ask atr bosses if he could subscribe to ruk at his home address.enzo the company man
By:
khyber kim
When: 23 Sep 14 14:17
Zoe would want Frankel with a saver on Kingman
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 23 Sep 14 14:34
I would back the one with the green cap.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 23 Sep 14 14:36
Did i say green? i did din`t i..of course i mean pink.
By:
wondersobright
When: 23 Sep 14 14:40

Sep 23, 2014 -- 8:03AM, MJK wrote:


Surprised that Enzo would make a selection without seeing who was favourite first.


and checking whether its been a "good" race for favourites in the last 10 years or not

By:
asparagus
When: 23 Sep 14 14:50
Don't want to knock Kingman as he has been a joy to watch at times this season, but as most people have said on here he wouldn't got anywhere near Frankel. Enzo is clearly clueless.
By:
Clerkmore
When: 23 Sep 14 14:55
Zoffany nearly beat Frankel.
By:
dan hardcore
When: 23 Sep 14 15:03
spot on clerkmore
By:
howard
When: 23 Sep 14 15:07
I didn't hear him say it but if he did it's nearly a hand your notice in job imo.
By:
Big Boss
When: 23 Sep 14 15:17
Kingman might have a fantastic turn of foot Enzo, but 10 lengths a bit to make up on Frankel Crazy
By:
racingstar
When: 23 Sep 14 15:29
Where is the 140+ in Kingman's form?
You lot should know better than to let a clueless dipstick like Enzo wind you upHappy
By:
TheFear
When: 23 Sep 14 17:11
Enzo thinks you could make a case for the 2nd getting this at Lingfield in the stewards'. But he also thinks it would be harsh to take it off the winner.
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 24 Sep 14 01:45
Funny isn't it how many were saying Frankel when he had only raced at up to a mile was one of the, if not the best millers ever but couldn't be considered the best horse ever if only racing at a maximum of a mile, so then when he steps up and shows he got 10f and would probably have got 12f too, it suddenly becomes vulnerable at a mile?

Can,'t believe either that even after all this time, there are still people out there unable to get that Frankel's SJP run shouldn't be taken at face value when if any other horse had tried to chase down the pacemaker in the way he did then it probably would have been beaten. Frankel and Zoffany only met once so it's not as if you can use their past meetings to measure how that run shouldn't be taken on face value, so let's use Excelebration instead and note how he was only 2¼L behind Frankel in the SJP purely due to how Frankel ran his race that day, compared to Excelebration being beaten 4L over 7f the previous time the two horses met and then 4L, 5L and 11L the times they met after the SJP race.

I personally don't see that as coincidence anyway and the pacemaker did a poor job in both the 2000gns and SJP and was later replaced, which supports that line of thinking too.
By:
TheMadGhost
When: 24 Sep 14 02:38
But neither of them would have beaten the great Brigadier Gerard.  Frankel did have one thing though which the Brigadier didn't have...............A Pacemaker.  Won the best 2,000 Guineas possibly ever run when he beat Mill Reef, My Swallow and Minsky, don't think much came out of Frankel's Guineas, (for which I'm still convinced he bolted for the first 4 furlongs). 

But on the post heading, Frankel would have beaten Kingman as a 4 year old, but as a 3 year old, not so sure.  I think Frankel improved enormously from 3 to 4, sadly we'll never be able to compare Kingman to Frankel as 4 year olds.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 24 Sep 14 06:56
In my opinion Frankel would certainly have beaten the great BG over a mile and almost certainly over 10f as well. 12f is obviously an unknown and even BG only raced over that trip once (and was almost beaten). As for Kingman, a wonderful miler and one of my favs (I have an Ascot ticket specifically to watch him Cry), but he's not in Frankels league.
By:
bigmart
When: 24 Sep 14 07:07
By:
EVILROYSLADE
When: 24 Sep 14 08:17
Frankel. Best ever. No doubt at all.
By:
TheMadGhost
When: 24 Sep 14 08:19
specifically what part, bigmart?
By:
duncan idaho
When: 24 Sep 14 08:49
Zoffany Laugh


Look in any phrase book under 'red herring' and you'll find a photo of Zoffany ffs
By:
foxy
When: 24 Sep 14 09:01
brigadier gerard,mill reef ,Nijinsky,troy,kris,shergar,el gran senor,dancing brave,nashwan,sinndar,sea the stars and kingman were all beaten on there off days for what ever reason frankel won the group 1 st james palace stakes at royal ascot on his off day.
By:
sparrow
When: 24 Sep 14 09:16
Evilroyslade appears to have lived for ever.
By:
EVILROYSLADE
When: 24 Sep 14 10:10
I am older than time itself Sparrow! I remember when you were nothing but part of the Big Bang.WinkDevil
By:
sparrow
When: 24 Sep 14 10:27
Perhaps you could tell us about some of these, EVILROYSLADE.
1. Ormonde (foaled 1883)

2. Gladiateur (1862)

3. Isonomy (1875)

4. Persimmon (1893)

5. West Australian (1850)

6. Bay Middleton (1833)

7. Isinglass (1890)

8. Plenipotentiary (1831)

9. St Simon (1881)

10. Blair Athol (1861)
By:
dunlaying
When: 24 Sep 14 10:29
Kingman has never been given due credit. I have no doubt that Frankel was his superior over a mile but not by more the two or three lengths.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 24 Sep 14 10:32
We are literally all star dust!

Anyway is this mythical race a handicap? A 3 year old Frankel giving a 3 year old Kingman 8lb?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 24 Sep 14 10:34
3L is still a rather large gap to bridge.
By:
foxy
When: 24 Sep 14 12:57
dunlaying

many have given kingman the credit he deserved I myself said on a similar thread a few weeks ago his performances in the greenham and the st james palace were at least the equal of frankel most probably better.he is a big loss to champions day.
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