The R Post Price/Wise Profit and Loss thread for 2014

Segal in France is utterly a waste of time and money , that will be the last piece of advice i take from him in France.

A big loser there down the years.

19th July (picked by Tom)

Llarnarmon Lad 1pt 6/1
3rd 9/2

It's A Gimme 1pt 11/2 (b365, Coral. Shortest 4/1 lads)
WON 2/1f (BSP 2.61/1) 2 non-runners at 25/1 (no rule 4) and 14/1 (5p in the £)

Fast Act 1pt 14/1, Bond's Girl 1pt 14/1
3rd 12/1, 4th 10/1

Totals
Loss 20.745 points
Staked 287 points
% loss on the year so far 7.23%
283 bets. 26 won, 257 lost.
Current losing streak 2. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Joe39, great thread as always and very much appreciated, especially when I come back from holiday and realise I haven't missed any winners :-)

Re Nakuti, £10ew at 25/1 with Hills returned £191.88 after rule 4s, so not quite 14/1, so your 12.5/1 is close enough to the mark.

(Cheers Mike, I'll add a point on...which was then immediately lost!)

20th July (picked by Tom)

Green Door 1pt 9/1
14th (third last) 6/1

Totals
Loss 20.745 points
Staked 288 points
% loss on the year so far 7.28%
284 bets. 26 won, 258 lost.
Current losing streak 3. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

26th July (picked by Tom)

Moohaarib 1pt 7/1
3rd 11/2

Watchable 1pt 14/1, Don't Call Me 1pt 33/1
3rd 10/1, 5th 20/1

Line Of Reason 1pt 8/1
8th 8/1

Eagle Top 1pt 5/1
4th 4/1

Totals
Loss 25.745 points
Staked 293 points
% loss on the year so far 8.79%
289 bets. 26 won, 263 lost.
Current losing streak 8. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Ante-post in progress:
Ebor - Mighty Yar 1pt 16/1
St Leger - Granddukeoftuscany 1pt 20/1, Streetcar To Stars 1pt 33/1

Tom on Sunday "Punting lowlight - Being offered 15p, yes, 15p! when I tried to back a horse in the St Leger with Stanley James. I was only asking for a fun tenner each-way"

(It's a statement that raises more questions than answers.
Did SJ knowingly block Tom's account? Or is someone for the high jump? (Not a peep about it on their Twitter yet, and they have been asked).
When is a tenner each-way "fun"? Is it fun losing 20 quid? What does this say about Tom's discipline?
What about the other Post journos (looks at a certain writer's boasts over the last few weeks) who never get knocked back? Which of them have arrangements? Which of them are lying? And which are just useless?)

27th July
Robot Boy 1pt 8/1
5th 7/2f
LOST. Loss 1 point.

Totals
Loss 26.745 points
Staked 294 points
% loss on the year so far 9.1%
290 bets. 26 won, 264 lost.
Current losing streak 9. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Just think of the money Tom can save if he puts 15p bets on he could take a fortnights holiday at Butlins.

the overround in the pw races is typically less than 9% loss tom is showing, not looking good that

Sheer lying innit, cos them prices dunt exist once he tips em and the lemmings try and pile on to arb themselves £5

28th July

Quick Jack 1pt 7/1 (PP, 6/1 b365, 11/2 general), Streets Of New York 1pt 20/1
WON 4/1f (BSP 5.4/1), 7th 10/1

29th July

Salutation 1pt 11/1, Thair 1pt 18/1
3rd 8/1, 7th 12/1

Big Thunder 1pt 12/1
7th 12/1

Defining Year 1pt 10/1
4th 6/1

Totals
Loss 24.745 points
Staked 300 points
% loss on the year so far 8.25%
296 bets. 27 won, 269 lost.
Current losing streak 4. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

30th July

Brockwell 1pt 12/1
4th 8/1

Red Galileo 1pt 10/1
7th (last) 17/2

Wise Old Owl 1pt 14/1, Shanpallas 1pt 20/1
9th 12/1, jumped wrong side of the wing of the 3rd fence 12/1

Totals
Loss 28.745 points
Staked 304 points
% loss on the year so far 9.46%
300 bets. 27 won, 273 lost.
Current losing streak 8. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

(Of the last 23 picks, 1 favourite has won)

31st July

Madeed 1pt 10/1
3rd 15/2

Rainbow Rock 1pt 13/2
2nd 6/1

Stella Bellissima 1pt 7/1
6th 4/1

Rawnaq 1pt 16/1
13th 11/1

Totals
Loss 32.745 points
Staked 308 points
% loss on the year so far 10.63%
304 bets. 27 won, 277 lost.
Current losing streak 12. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Losing you all a lot of money unless you just arbing for fivers (as I guess most of you must be by now)

Twitter: Rory Jiwani (Stanley James' PR guy)
Our systems log all attempted bets and restrictions. We have no record of anyone restricted to 15p on the St Leger.

(Over to you Tom)

I did find the "Segal -  Stan James limited me to 15p" story a bit strange, given that Stan James never restrict you............

They close you all together !

Twitter
Channel 4 Racing ‏@Channel4Racing  1h
Tom Segal, @cowellracing and Charlie Johnston join us on tomorrow's Morning Line. Any questions you'd like to ask? Do wing them our way.

(I'm not on Twitter, so can't ask Tom about S James, although in a roundabout way I would have asked why some firms are no longer on the PW box of prices).

1st August

Cafe Society 1pt 10/1
3rd 7/1

Hors De Combat 1pt 10/1
2nd 9/2 (beaten at 1.17 in-running)

Red Avenger 1pt 22/1, Our Channel 1pt 20/1
WON 12/1 (BSP 18.17/1, rule 4 early prices 10p), 8th 11/1

2nd August

"The phone wouldn't stop ringing yesterday with people telling me Intrinsic is a good thing for the Stewards' Cup"

Kinglami 1pt 25/1, Secondo 1pt 14/1
7th 12/1, 11th 8/1

Oasis Fantasy 1pt 12/1
4th 4/1

Alben Star 1pt 12/1, Muthmir 1pt 7/1
3rd 8/1, 5th 5/2f

Totals
Loss 20.945 points
Staked 317 points
% loss on the year so far 6.61%
313 bets. 28 won, 285 lost.
Current losing streak 5. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

(Post Betting editor Paul Kealy, and after reading this, I find zero reason why they should still be in the table)...

PP pull plug on P/Wise guarantee
From today PP will no longer guarantee to stand their advertised prices for any length of time in the morning.
PP used to guarantee to re-release prices for a 5-minute period but say the changing landscape means it no longer makes sense to do so.
Spokesman PP "We'll continue to be ultra-competitive on P/Wise selections".
As a result of their policy, Tom will not be making any selections using their odds, even if PP are standout best price.
He will use the next best available with a firm who still offer some form of guarantee.

9th August

Jimmy Fortune to win top jockey at Shergar Cup 1pt 16/1
Result - 1 second place, rest unplaced.

Bantam 1pt 12/1
4th 5/1

Lahaag 1pt 10/1, Salutation 1pt 10/1
6th 9/1, 12th 15/2

Educate 1pt 7/1
4th 8/1

Swivel 1pt 12/1
4th 8/1

Totals
Loss 26.945 points
Staked 323 points
% loss on the year so far 8.34%
319 bets. 28 won, 291 lost.
Current losing streak 11. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Note there that he said "Educate 1pt 7/1 generally" even though PP were 9/1

10th August

Fiesolana 1pt 14/1, Viztoria 1pt 7/1
3rd 18.6/1, 12th 9.4/1

Totals
Loss 28.945 points
Staked 325 points
% loss on the year so far 8.91%
321 bets. 28 won, 293 lost.
Current losing streak 13. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

293 losers, the PW ponces must be doing their conkers in!

Why u worry so much about P/W Big Issue ?..If u dont like it dont post all read

(Someone correct me if wrong, but I believe Tom's 2 losers today at Dundalk (Zalty) and Pontefract (Hoodna) were "Tom on Sunday" and not P/Wise)

(Note the 2 large letter P's here...)
Twitter - @LadsNags  Aug 16
Unlike some we still guarantee pricewise prices. Did you grab the 14/1 Seismos this morning?  #haPPyatLadbrokes

16th August

Seismos 1pt 14/1 (with the above, 12/1 Boiled Sweets and Hill, 11/1 others)
WON 11/1 (BSP 13.64/1)
Seismos was matched at 959/1 in-running

Best Trip 1pt 25/1
13th 18/1

Kimberella 1pt 12/1, Majestic Moon 1pt 20/1
7th 8/1, 16th 8/1

Totals
Loss 17.945 points
Staked 329 points
% loss on the year so far 5.45%
325 bets. 29 won, 296 lost.
Current losing streak 3. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

correct tom not p/wise today.

Just count em if they win and ignore them if they lose, will make figs look better

20th August

Jamaica 1pt 100/30
4th 2/1

Postponed 1pt 7/1 (Boiled Sweets, 13/2 one other place, 6/1 elsewhere)
WON 5/2f, BSP 2.51/1
6/4f Kingston Hill withdrawn a few minutes before the race, rule 4 40p in the £ early prices

Telescope 1pt 11/2
3rd 5/1

Totals
Loss 15.745 points
Staked 332 points
% loss on the year so far 4.74%
328 bets. 30 won, 298 lost.
Current losing streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

21st August

Mubtaghaa 1pt 18/1 (Fred, 16/1 general), Fast Act 1pt 11/2
WON 12/1 (BSP 11.42/1), 12th 8/1 (BSP Fast Act 10.79/1 )
Markaz withdrawn at the start at 8/1, rule 4 10p in the £ all bets.

Passing Star 1pt 14/1
17th 12/1 

Totals
Loss 1.545 points
Staked 335 points
% loss on the year so far 0.46%
331 bets. 31 won, 300 lost.
Current losing streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

P/Wise has picked 5 tomorrow (2 in the 1.55, 1 in the 3.05, 2 in the 3.40) - 1 winner would put the column in credit for the year.
DON'T put them up here please - don't want to give BF an excuse to pull this thread.

(Post claimed an 18/1 winner on the front page, with no mention of the rule 4 after a horse played up in the stalls. Poor).

22nd August

Stomachion 1pt 8/1, Chancery 1pt 12/1
5th 15/2, 8th 8/1

Gabriel's Lad
4th 15/2

Rangali 1pt 28/1, Astaire 1pt 16/1
7th 8/1, 10th 12/1

Totals
Loss 6.545 points
Staked 340 points
% loss on the year so far 1.93%
336 bets. 31 won, 305 lost.
Current losing streak 6. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

23rd August

Adventure Seeker 1pt 20/1 (Boiled Sweets, nobody else over 14/1 ), Connecticut 1pt 7/1
2nd 8/1 (hit 1.34 in-running), 3rd 4/1f (hit 1.35 in-running)

Accepted 1pt 8/1
5th 13/2

Chil The Kite 1pt 7/1
6th 9/2

Ebor Ante-post: Mighty Yar 1pt 16/1, Wadi Al Hattawi 1pt 16/1
13th 6/1, 15th 9/1

24th August - he who is last can also be first

Ribbons 1pt 25/1 (Cora, 20/1 Fred), Polyana 1pt 6/1
WON Pari-Mutuel 24.5/1 (BSP 12.9/1), 11th (last) 5.6/1

Totals
Profit 11.455 points
Staked 348 points
% profit on the year so far 3.29%
344 bets. 32 won, 312 lost.
Current winning streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Ribbons SP in British shops was 11/1. I assume if you didn't write a price down, you get PMU.

no,if u don'y ask for pmu , you get industry sp..

Paid 24-1 on tote.

30th August

Line Of Reason 1pt 16/1
3rd 6/1

Russian Realm 1pt 8/1
6th 13/2

Diamond Dove 1pt 10/1
6th 7/1

Ajmany 1pt 10/1, Rydan 1pt 16/1
8th 10/1, 11th 12/1

Hasanour 1pt 7/1
3rd 4/1f

Totals
Profit 5.455 points
Staked 354 points
% profit on the year so far 1.54%
350 bets. 32 won, 318 lost.
Current losing streak 6. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

318 losers from 350 bets.....thousands lost by sheep followers and probably never get advertised 'price' either

Big_Issue, did Tom Segal sleep with your Missus ?

6th September

Redvers 1pt 14/1
2nd 7/1 (£18,580 matched at 1.01 in-running )

Gwafa 1pt 14/1
2nd 8/1

Music Master 1pt 8/1, Baccarat 1pt 20/1
3rd 15/2, 8th 9/1

Totals
Profit 1.455 points
Staked 358 points
% profit on the year so far 0.41%
354 bets. 32 won, 322 lost.
Current losing streak 10. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

(If it was just Tom, it would be in credit (if you got the prices of course.
Total includes foreign P/Wise too during the year (such as Dubai World Cup meeting)).

Steps 1pt 8/1
3rd 6/1

Totals
Profit 0.455 points
Staked 359 points
% profit on the year so far 0.13%
355 bets. 32 won, 323 lost.
Current losing streak 11. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

11th September

Token Of Love 1pt 8/1
11th 9/1

Arabian Comet 1pt 9/2, Energia Fox 1pt 18/1
5th 9/2, 13th (last) 14/1

The Great War 1pt 9/1
11th 6/1

Totals
Loss 3.545 points
Staked 363 points
% profit on the year so far 0.98%
359 bets. 32 won, 327 lost.
Current losing streak 15. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

12th September

Accepted 1pt 14/1
3rd 15/2

Adventure Seeker 1pt 13/2, Sir Walter Scott 1pt 11/1
6th 4/1f, 9th 7/1

Whiplash Willie 1pt 8/1
2nd 13/2

Totals
Loss 7.545 points
Staked 367 points
% profit on the year so far 2.06%
363 bets. 32 won, 331 lost.
Current losing streak 19. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Totals
Loss 7.545 points
Staked 367 points
% loss on the year so far 2.06%
363 bets. 32 won, 331 lost.
Current losing streak 19. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Off to bed getting bored

"...(Muthmir) has lots in his favour. The drop in trip will suit too, and I can see him starting at 3/1..."
(Muthmir did indeed win (easily, despite stumbling from the stalls, and later getting blocked) at 3/1 from 6/1. He didn't tip it).

13th September

Out Do 1pt 12/1, Compton Park 1pt 14/1
9th 10/1, 15th 12/1

St Leger
Ante-post: Streetcar To Stars 1pt non-runner, Granddukeoftuscany 1pt 25/1
On the day: Kings Fete 1pt 12/1
N/R, 11th 20/1, 9th 12/1

Totals
Loss 12.545 points
Staked 372 points
% loss on the year so far 3.37%
368 bets. 32 won, 336 lost.
Current losing streak 24. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

huw taylor went for kingston hill today,sometimes you have to pick the obvious one.

Seems illogical to put most of the **** up this week most have ran like absolute drains.

sometimes you just have to back winners and not look past the obvious because they are not sexy prices. Backing Kings Edge today was a case in point

joe39
     13 Sep 14 17:38   


"...(Muthmir) has lots in his favour. The drop in trip will suit too, and I can see him starting at 3/1..."
(Muthmir did indeed win (easily, despite stumbling from the stalls, and later getting blocked) at 3/1 from 6/1. He didn't tip it).

No he backed 2 others in the race exposed handicappers,actually think that race was poor for the grade was impossible to back against the two favs if you were betting.He also mentioned tapestry and also autralia as well so managed to ge them both beat as well..

And Aljamaaheer, although he did give Estidhkaar, lol!!!!!

He is moaning in the post this morning about seeing horses he has backed before winning at doncaster last week tut tut tom only one person to blame mate.

Ectot (tipped ante-post by Tom at 50/1 for the Arc) is now a single-figure price after winning the Prix Niel.

(The losing streak ends at 26)

14th September

Teletext 1pt 7/1
2nd 19/5 (2nd to ante-post tip Ectot)

Malabar 1pt 10/1
4th 5/1

Charm Spirit 1pt 6/1 (Koral, Lads)
WON 11/2 (Pari-Mutuel 6.1/1, BSP 5.57/1)

Totals
Loss 8.545 points
Staked 375 points
% loss on the year so far 2.28%
371 bets. 33 won, 338 lost.
Current winning streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

17th September

Klepht 1pt 16/1, Heaney 1pt 14/1
11th 11/1, pulled up 11/1

19th September (2nd fav Polski Max withdrawn at the start, but all hell would have broken loose if the other one had won - tipped with Boiled Sweets)

Mishaal 1pt 20/1
5th 4/1f

Totals
Loss 11.545 points
Staked 378 points
% loss on the year so far 3.05%
374 bets. 33 won, 341 lost.
Current losing streak 3. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

20th September

Santefision 1pt 33/1
9th 20/1

Energia Davos 1pt 20/1
11th 11/1

Louis The Pious 1pt 22/1 (b365, Kora, 20 general, Lads knew 14/1), Highland Acclaim 1pt 14/1
WON 10/1 (BSP 14.35/1), 9th 10/1

Totals
Profit 7.455 points
Staked 382 points
% loss on the year so far 1.95%
378 bets. 34 won, 344 lost.
Current winning streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

Totals
Profit 7.455 points
Staked 382 points
% profit on the year so far 1.95%
378 bets. 34 won, 344 lost.
Current winning streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

26th September

Jordan Princess 1pt 13/2
2nd 9/2

Wannabe Yours 1pt 11/2
11th 7/2

27th September

Anthem Alexander 1pt 5/1
2nd 5/1

Cambridgeshire
Ante-post: Zarwaan, Niceofyoutotellme 1pt 25/1
On the day: Maverick Wave 1pt each-way (total 2pts) 25/1, Extremity 1pt 14/1
Non-runner, dead-heat 2nd 10/1, 23rd 16/1, 26th 9/1

Totals
Loss 0.545 points
Staked 390 points
% loss on the year so far 0.14%
385 bets. 34 won, 351 lost.
Current losing streak 7. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

(Big day for the column today with 50/1 ante-post Ectot making the Arc)
Couldn't find Fractional's BSP

4th October

All At Sea 1pt 8/1
5th 13/2

Fractional 1pt 6/1 (Fred, Boiled, Hill)
WON (Cirrus Des Aigles disqualified) 11/5. 3rd fav Smoking Sun N/R at around 6/1 and 7/1, Rule 4 10p in the £

Lightning Moon 1pt 10/1 general (PP's 12/1 was irrelevant as no guarantee)
WON 13/2 (BSP 7.88/1). Lucky Kristale N/R was between 10/1 and 16/1, so Rule 4 5p in the £ is fair.

Sky Lantern 1pt 9/1
6th 8/1

Chil The Kite 1pt 18/1
12th 8/1

Totals
Profit 11.355 points
Staked 390 points
% profit on the year so far 2.91%
390 bets. 36 won, 354 lost.
Current losing streak 2. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

5th October

Moviesta 1pt 14/1, Cotai Glory 1pt 12/1
3rd 12/1, 16th 10/1

Lavender Lane 1pt 22/1
6th 14/1

Arc
On the day: Flintshire 1pt 25/1. Ante-post Ectot 1pt 50/1
2nd 16/1, 17th 6/1

Fiesolana 1pt 10/1
6th 7/1

Totals
Profit 5.355 points
Staked 401 points
% profit on the year so far 1.34%
396 bets. 36 won, 360 lost.
Current losing streak 8. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

12th October

Clondaw Warrior 1pt 13/2
18th 3/1f

Bose Ikard 1pt 6/1
3rd 11/4f

Totals
Profit 7.355 points
Staked 411 points
% profit on the year so far 1.79%
405 bets. 37 won, 368 lost.
Current losing streak 8. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

17th October

Kodi Bear 1pt 11/1
2nd 7/1 (matched at 1.41 in-running)

Here Comes When 1pt 14/1 (H, 365), Highland Colori 1pt 33/1
WON 8/1 (BSP 9.55/1), 7th 14/1
Non-runner Thawaary (between 9/4f and 5/2f), rule 4 about 25p in the £

Totals
Profit 15.855 points
Staked 414 points
% profit on the year so far 3.83%
408 bets. 38 won, 370 lost.
Current winning streak 1. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

("Pricewise strikes again 14/1". Zero mention of the 9/4f withdrawn rule 4).

18th October

Eton Forever 1pt 20/1
6th 10/1

Madame Chiang 1pt 12/1 (Boiled Sweets, 11/1 others)
WON 12/1 (BSP 17.72/1 )

Tullius 1pt 10/1
4th 9/1

Levitate 1pt 12/1, Gabrial's Kaka 1pt 33/1
4th 10/1, 7th 10/1

Totals
Profit 23.855 points
Staked 419 points
% profit on the year so far 5.69%
413 bets. 39 won, 374 lost.
Current losing streak 3. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

well done on a fantastic thread joe39.

I know the prices are impossible to get and that it's really a loss-making exercise however.........................

A strike-rate of less than 10% (9.44% to be exact), just three winning consecutive winners and an gut-busting losing streak of 50(!!!) (and probably others) and yet he manages to lose no money, so far.

It gives anyone who bets horses methodically and consistently the hope that one can make a profit by being faithful to the selection process. If you are mostly following your own selection process the prices, presumably "value" iyo, are (obviously) available and can be rewarding. If you can't find a selection process that gives a one-in-ten success rate you may be at the wrong game.

Just leave a counter-intuitive thought: of all Pricewise horses that shorten, are there equal examples of drifters on the basis they are simply not fashionable on the day (and nothing more sinister). If one-in-ten of these can win do we have another route to profit?

Was Gentleman Duke a PW or a Tom on Sunday, please? Done very well to be 23 points up after a 50 losers on the trot.

No worries.
Had it just been a Tom S thread he'd be well up (although that opens a can of worms about not having your Boiled Sweets and b375 account shut down). Dubai World Cup Pricewise (another tipster that day) lost a dozen points in one afternoon.

I don't think (I stand to be corrected) Pricewise happened yesterday.

24th October (Cox Plate, Moonee Valley, Australia)

Side Glance 1pt 33/1, Almalad 1pt 40/1
4th 20/1, 13th (last) 30/1

25th October

Battalion 1pt 13/2
3rd 11/2 (matched at 1.36 in-running)

Oasis Fantasy 1pt 16/1
3rd 6/1

Module 1pt 6/1
7th 10/1 (BSP 14/1 )

Kickboxer 1pt 16/1
9th 8/1

Totals
Profit 17.855 points
Staked 425 points
% profit on the year so far 4.2%
419 bets. 39 won, 380 lost.
Current losing streak 9. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

(I see my criticism of the Post throwing points like confetti got deleted, so I won't bother typing up the whole thing again.
Anyway, Mel C (not Sporty Spice) had a 9/1 winner at Ascot (SP 9/2), Nicholas had umpteen losers at the Breeders Cup).

Totals
Profit 8.855 points
Staked 444 points
% profit on the year so far 1.99%
437 bets. 40 won, 397 lost.
Current losing streak 12. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

After paying for the paper & other costs it would appear to be a big waste of time.

2nd November

Sword Fish 1pt 7/1, Kashline 1pt 16/1
4th 15/2, 7th 9/1

3rd November (Melbourne Cup)
Ante-post: Red Cadeaux 1pt e/w 40/1. On the day: Willing Foe 1pt 25/1
2nd 20/1, 5th 30/1

4th November
Hinterland 1pt 9/2
Pulled-up 100/30

Totals
Profit 14.855 points
Staked 450 points
% profit on the year so far 3.3%
442 bets. 40 won, 402 lost.
Current losing streak 17. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

wheres the mels winner in here
he was a price wise tip

Included in the 02.11 14:22 post. Mel + whatever , Breeders Cup -a lot more

(Perhaps I'm being extremely harsh to put Red Cadeaux (e/w 2nd 40/1) in the losing streak, but I'll leave it for the moment).

8th November (Mel C)

Standing Ovation 1pt 7/1
Pulled-up 9/2f

Forgotten Voice 1pt 8/1
4th 7/1

Headline News 1pt 16/1
10th 11/1

Totals
Profit 11.855 points
Staked 453 points
% profit on the year so far 2.62%
445 bets. 40 won, 405 lost.
Current losing streak 20. Longest winning streak 3. Longest losing streak 50.

I think that the Friday winner was about 14/1 and Saturdays winner balanced Saturdays and Sunday's losers

So. Even when there are countless bets included which no proper Pricewise punter would even look at Sir Tom is in profit this year as he is every year.

so you only back the winners ?

I thought that Joe39 had updated this but the post seems to have gone.
Anyway I think that Sat 22/23 was breakeven and this weekend was breakeven apart from the Ante post winner. Don't know how many would have got the 12/1.

He broke even apart from a 12-1 winner in the Hennessy which was easy to secure.

Desperate stuff.

Windsor boy -I don't understand your comment of "desperate stuff" -are you implying that I'm belittling his winner. I'm merely trying to keep this thread going to the end of the year. He broke even on the Saturday/Sunday daily bets . He had an ante post  winner that was recommended at 12/1. Usually if a PW horse is put up ante post , getting the advertised price is hard. If it was freely available to money , so be it.

My apologies - you sound very reasonable; it`s unusual on here.

windsor boy has form on here.................bad form

Don't know what has happened to Joe39 -anyway down 5 on Saturday. Roughly 11 +12 -5 =18 points up for the year. Remember this is pricewise not just tom

Six down for Friday, Sat and Sunday (Tom on Sunday has never been included) so about 12 points up for the year.
Did Joe39 get banned for doing this?

Well done for keeping it going Manoleeds

There are other tipsters that Joe Soap could also follow in the Racing Post, its just that if you miss a big winner, which is bound to happen, you're up the junction.

Just include PW winners and ignore the losers, that's what most of his followers do anyways!

Oh and all get the mythical prices too I believe.

I also believe in Father Christmas.

3 losers and a winner yesterday. I think Joe39 settled winners at the morning price and not the SP if that was bigger -so counting the winner at 12/1 makes about 21 points up on the year .

I have the figures for price wise when done for just Tom segal selections - they are as follows

Jan +1
Feb +12
March -14.5
April -10
May +1
June +15
July -14.5
Aug +37.5
Sept -5
Oct +11
Nov +18
Dec so far -1

Total +50.5

His worst total in 15 years.

Including ante post, I think 3 losers on boxing day , 6 yesterday and 3 today. That said very unlucky yesterday and today.
Overall about 9 points up for the year.
Sir Alex's figures indicate that for Tom only up 38.5 pts. for the year-I don't know if they assume best price.

Mind you- one of the races seemed to take ages .....

Football: -£51.96 | Horse Racing: £117.93  Total P&L:  £65.97

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets
Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Catt 28th Dec : 2m3f Hcap Chs    28-Dec-14 15:30    28-Dec-14 15:39    11.87
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Dec : 7f Hcap    28-Dec-14 15:20    28-Dec-14 15:23    5.34
Horse Racing / Catt 28th Dec : 2m Nov Hcap Chs    28-Dec-14 15:00    28-Dec-14 15:07    5.66
Horse Racing / Catt 28th Dec : 2m Mdn Hrd    28-Dec-14 14:30    28-Dec-14 14:41    16.87
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Dec : 1m Hcap    28-Dec-14 13:15    28-Dec-14 13:19    38.27
Horse Racing / Catt 28th Dec : 2m Hcap Hrd    28-Dec-14 13:00    28-Dec-14 13:06    16.97
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Dec : 1m Mdn    28-Dec-14 12:45    28-Dec-14 12:50    16.87
Horse Racing / Catt 28th Dec : 38m1f Hcap Hrd    28-Dec-14 12:30    28-Dec-14 12:39    0.25
Horse Racing / Leop 28th Dec : 2m4f Mdn Hrd    28-Dec-14 12:20    28-Dec-14 12:27    5.24
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Dec : 7f Nursery    28-Dec-14 12:15    28-Dec-14 12:18    0.59
Profit and Loss is shown net of commission.
All times are UKT    
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     unless otherwise stated.

Keep it up,Wankstain.
You may soon have ponced enough to buy a decent suit

9 Points updon't spend it all at once might cover some of the rp subscription!

Two down today and I suspect that is it for the year. So overall 7 points up for the year for all pricewise and 36.5 per Sir Alex's figures for Tom.
If you could get £100 a point at the prices that is £3650 up-not to be sneezed at -though I wonder how many persisted in what turned out to be a 50 losing streak.
Thanks to Joe39 for doing this for most of the year.

A fair effort considering there must be some races he wouldn't touch with a bargepole, and the races are the ones selected by the bookies.

Yep, final total for the year for Tom segal selections at advertised prices was +36.5. His worst total for 15  years. Take into account that only approx 75% of the prices are available and it works out at about 2 points profit per month hence the reason I stopped following him.
My best tipsters are up approx 250 points this year.

sadly there cant be a punter anywhere that would have secured all the BPs. Taking into ac Boyles NON Availanle price and many restrictions out there..And the very short window to get all these bets on. I think in reality we have to consider 2014 a losing year for win only points. Personally i have a few quid ew on the longer prices so might have made a small profit. But its not that important..Hope TS bounces back next year..Very frustrating end to the year . i suppose you cant be brilliaint year in year out.

How many points did he stake siralex ?

Dont quote me but approx 300 of his own china. Usually makes approx 150 points per year which was worth the effort getting on but gradually gettimg worse and the prices arnt even that different now to bsp.

453 points on November 9th according to joe 39..

I have never known him have more than 400 in a year but i havent counted so happy to stand corrected. Normally has around 20 per month and then a load more when the big meetings are on.
I used to try and have 100 on each which worked out at around a 12k profit per year.