LAY= Big Casino 3.15 Carlisle

thanks easygold..you seem to know your coconuts so for that reason..I AM IN!

I've backed it. I agree it was slightly flattered on debut, but 109 is a very handy mark irregardless and you can guarantee NTD will have him ready to roll.

it's a lay for me

Hi Thunder, he only has him 7 days not sure what he has done with him in a week?? and yes I respect T.Davies and rarely sends on to Carlisle, but at the price there is no way I would back him at those odds at what he has done so far. Best of luck.

How do you know he's only had him for the week?

Research, mate, but to be honest if he had him 7 months I would still be advising the same. Could be wrong with my bet but at 5/2 happy to stick what I think. Like you should too, if you feel he is well-in off 109 that`s fine. Cheers

If you're right (and I'm sure you probably are), then that is a big concern. Just have to wait and see. GL

According to racing post NTD took charge on 23rd October.

Collapsed! Lay 2.68 now.

Yeah, a lot fancy it, I have to go in again at those odds, I would say it will drift back out come race time.

2.68>3.1 now mmmmm

gl easygold..hope its a donk!

will knock 7k out the placepot hopefully
good luck.

ffs 

Easygold....NOT.

Unfortunate Easygold, but at least you gave your own valid reasons as to why you opposed the horse.

Sick of seeing guessers on here who give no reason (justforthecraic).

Unfortunate pal, but over time I'm sure you will turn it around.

justforthecraic! you´re back!

Mmmmmmm got it wrong, the handicappers ran well below par. Ah well. There is always another day.

Well done Thunder fair play.

Funny how all these threads go tits up.

ThunderRoad 30 Oct 13 12:34
How do you know he's only had him for the week?
easygold 30 Oct 13 12:42
Research, mate, 

thunder, hover the cursor over trainers/owners name when looking at the horses form.....its there for all to see...no research needed.

If easygold hadn`t posted this, he probably would have won. Don`t know how this works, but it always does. That`s why I bet the winner.

Yeah, Shiekh, I cud never put sumtin up without valid opinions of my own. If you want to put my judgement in the same league as Justforthecraic feel free.

Save yourself the flak, m8, little upside and big downside for threads at these odds. At least you didn't come on after the race to say you'd backed it. GL.

Themightymac if you go over my selections or advised in the Lay area, very rare go tits up, that`s for sure

Always tricky with this sort of handicap mark, imo not quite enough to go on to oppose and will probably win again.

Alright Saddo, I`m sure there are decent guys on here I can take it when it goes wrong, sure I give it out a lot when I have A strong opinion on any subject about racing.

It`s a marathon not a sprint, there will be more threads like that.

I wasn`t referring to you in particular easygold, I`m sure you know your onions and win overall, I was merely saying that on the rare occasions when I see these threads I always oppose them and most go tits up. Horses make a fool of us. It`s happened to me. If I fancied something strongly and posted it on here, I can guarantee you it would go tits up.

Themightymac, Superstitious??? not for me I`m afraid

so what's the moral of the story?

That those who return to discuss it gain far more respect than those who disappear.

Call it superstition if you want mate, but from personal experience it`s fact. One can beat the bookie but one will never beat the Eggman.

Don't be laying lightly-raced horses you haven't seen in 174 days.

@least u gave your reason

hope it wasn't to painful

Maybe so Roger,

are you sure twiston davies had that horse for only one week.i doubt that is correct.at least you had other reasons for taking it on.

No xmoney it wasn`t I do the a points system to every selection, can never do too much damage to the account with 1 selection.

Hope others guys didn`t, cos I`ve been do this a while now, and if they just dipped their toe in.?? apologies

So it seems, wasn`t mentioned in his Home Page in his list of horses either??

Rog30 Oct 13 16:54 Perhaps 1 of the minor morals is it doesn't attract so much flak or resentment if you dont exaggerate your OP with descriptions like Huge Lay etc ( NWK ).

Easygold - This is too funny. You think NTD only had that horse a week? You do realise that the RP only 'changes' the stable/owners once they get the entries for that horse. He has had the horse for months. If that's your reasoning for laying horses then you're in big trouble kid. Do a bit of research. Also why would you lay a NTD horse first time out for the stable after a break, crazy.

A GOOD IDEA WOULD BE TO PHONE THE TRAINER UP IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHEN HE AQUIRED A HORSE ,BUT LEAVE IT UNTILL AFTER 10 0 CLOCK JUST INCASE HE WANTED A LIE IN

do wah

STATE THAT YOUR NOT TRYING TO SELL ANYTHING STRAIGHTAWAY ON THE TELEPHONE IN CASE THE TRAINER THINKS YOUR TRYING TO SELL DOUBLE GLAZING ,OR WANTING TO INSTALL CAVITY WALL INSULATION

STATE THAT YOUR NOT TRYING TO SELL ANYTHING STRAIGHTAWAY ON THE TELEPHONE IN CASE THE TRAINER THINKS YOUR TRYING TO SELL DOUBLE GLAZING ,OR WANTING TO INSTALL CAVITY WALL INSULATION

I tried ringing Charlie Brooks but he was out moving some rubbish.

The fact that this lad laid a horse that was smashed up because he thought the trainer only had it 7 days (the very day he was entered for the race) is comical. If only there were more layers like him

FJC, no mentioning of trainer in my thread about reasoning.????

HE DID HIS BEST AND GAVE A CONSTRUCTIVE CASE THAT WILL DO FOR ME .

IT WAS THE OTHER HORSES THAT LET HIM DOWN

HE DID HIS BEST AND GAVE A CONSTRUCTIVE CASE THAT WILL DO FOR ME .

IT WAS THE OTHER HORSES THAT LET HIM DOWN

easygold - you said "he only has him 7 days not sure what he has done with him in a week??" then when Thunder called your bluff you said "Research, mate" Good research there pal. Amateur stuff.

Like I said, there's little glory to be had in 4/11 freds.

Listen mug punter FJC if I put a thread up and it fails move on, I answer Thunder ? and said 7 days. Where do you see in my thread anything about the trainer the reason for taken this on.

Do you remember Big Bucks 2012 yeah.......

Humorous you call me a mug punter. You've taken a view (do you want a medal for that, all of us take a view everyday, we don't go on an ego trip on this forum looking for lemmings to give us praise if it's right and "move on" if it fails). I'm trying to help you out here, you clearly have a lot to learn. You presumed that the date the RP website changed the ownership/trainer meant that the horse only arrived in the yard on that day, that's beyond laughable Let me explain it again, the RP only give the change of trainer/owner when the horse gets an entry. You were then brazen enough to keep laying when the market support came for him. You will never be a winning punter if that's your angle.

Again you are harping on about my reasoning to Lay the horse, was nothing to do with the trainer just the horse. Are you with me now.........Mug

Would you like me to pick holes in that too then? Ok, if you insist. You've laid a fairly unexposed sort, a winner of his bumper, a solid 2nd to the high class Shutthefrontdoor when he was far too keen early and saw it out well, he then ran on Gd-Fm ground on the back of a mini break, ground which he clearly didn't act on (needs ease) yet was still 3rd, albeit well beaten. He's turned up today off a mark of 109 on his first run for NTD (a trainer renowned for readying one, if you haven't heard of him previously) on suitable ground and in the company he was in today was absolutely justified market leader. You've said you'd be happy to lay all the way to 4.4, utter tripe. The market came for him very strongly. It's a learning curve for you pal, take the advice when you get it.

A learning curve??? my god......... I have gone over a few threads you posted.......em I thing you need a bit of help.

Regards to my opinion about the race win or lose and put up a thread so what. And you come on with this.

An ego trip. not that type.

And yes I learn things everyday about this sport. Mr Big Bucks (2012)

Why have you gone back through my previous posts on this forum from nearly 2 years ago? Also if you are going to do that then please don't misquote me, I believe that was a thread where I said Big Bucks and Sizing Europe were beatable at Cheltenham by Oscar Whiskey and Finians Rainbow, the latter did indeed get the job done. Anyway I'm not here to dig up threads from 18 months ago. You've put up a shocking lay call here. Of course you're attention seeking, you've named a thread "LAY=BIG CASINO 3.15 Carlisle" you're looking for high fives if it goes right and sweep it under the carpet if it dots up like it did. Can I ask your reasoning for laying from 3.7 to 4.4, why exactly 4.4 but no higher? It's just sh1t talk. Serious punters don't post on the forum frequently, when I do, listen and learn.

The mere fact that somebody decides to post as the OP did should tell you all you need to know.
They post like this because they do not have the Bank to bet to what they think their "Opinion" is worth.
If today's fiasco was an example of deductive power it was little wonder.
At least he/she posted what they thought was valid reasoning to incite others to "cremate".
Ego the size of Nelson's Column.
Bank of a Homeless Peasant.

FYC, Regards to my opinion going south, and then say listen and learn ??? . As I said I learn new things every day about this sport, but reading your opinion about the reason Big Bucks or Sizing Europe would get beaten back in 2012 a thread started by you, I found out a bit more what ur about and others guy`s replies to the thread and other thread`s say`s enough.

It`s the first time I saw ur Forum name that`s why I looked it up and had a big laugh why you didn`t like Big Bucks, and why you fancied a horse that never raced over 3m would suddenly be able to beat Big Buck`s. There is a bit of learning needed somewhere else I feel. Mr Big Bucks (2012)

You

the market got it right this time.
put your LAY record, posted on here already, up easygold, and let the forum see how you get on with future LAYS.

you do know you're the worst aftertimimg troll on here Roger

well if it comes from you judge you must be right. cheers.