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barstool
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8.40 Wolverhampton.

Babushka's Girl.

I cannot remember a horse running off such a low mark.
Tongue Tie and visor fitted for first time.
Hope it can improve them.
4 years old now. Has a very patient owner.
Good luck tonight Mr J Levenson.

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By:
Yoshi
When: 20 Sep 13 18:44
n/r
By:
DEVFISH
When: 20 Sep 13 18:45
withdrawn 10 hours ago.
By:
broadsword
When: 20 Sep 13 18:46
poor thing......id like to buy it
By:
Yoshi
When: 20 Sep 13 18:46
though i have never seen a rating of 12 too
By:
DEVFISH
When: 20 Sep 13 18:49
feel sorry for the horse he beat home in july!!!!
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 18:49
Sure there was a horse rated 3 - about ten days ago...

- or it was maybe in the 4-Day Decs.
By:
coffeedodger
When: 20 Sep 13 18:49
bluddy hell. I reckon I'd get a higher rating than that with me wellies on!Silly
By:
barstool
When: 20 Sep 13 18:52
Sorry, did not know it had been pulled out.

Spoiled my yankee.Love
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 18:56
onlooker, do you know which horse has won with the lowest known rating?
By:
mange
When: 20 Sep 13 18:56
waiting for the ground Cool
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 19:45
That depends on how you are asking the question - sparrow..

Lowest Rating that any horse can 'run of' in a Handicap is now SET at 45 - .... If a horse can actually get a run in a race off a 'true 45' that is.
However a horse Rated, say, 33 - but running off 45 - 'could' win such a race.

As happened last week, at Brighton .....

When - BESTFOOTFORWRD - Rated 37 at the time - WON -

But had to race off 47 (not including the apprentice jockey's claim) - appearing in the RESULTS as 'OH2' = 2 lbs 'out of the Handicap' - because of the Minimum 45 Rule ... But, actually, was 10 lbs 'out of the Handicap', without the Apprentice's Claim.

Flat Turf 3  1     0 0 £1,941 £1,941     37

1 Bestfootforward 12/1 4-8-2OH2 Julia Feilden 47 Shelley Birkett7
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However - a Horse Rated, say, 30 could, also, feasibly - or more probably, theoretically, but unlikely - win a Conditions race - such as a Seller or Claimer.... Were that to happen - then it would have, obviously, run well above it's Rating of 30, though.
By:
mange
When: 20 Sep 13 19:52
dont remind me Cry
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 20:11
oops - sorry, mange CryHappy

I won't bring your thread back.Happy
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 20:45
onlooker, I was thinking of the actual rating of the horse at the time, rather than the rating he ran off. I thought that about 10-20 years ago a horse whose rating was less than 20 actually managed to win a race.
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 20:48
The horse in question may have been called "White" something or other.
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 22:06
sparrow - You are CORRECT.

There have been horseS Rated below 45 who have won -
However - I do not have any written records as such - so we are in the same boat.

"White" does ring something of a bell - and has got me thinking of those big-field Amateur Riders' races at Redcar.

I haven't the time to start wading through all those, though SadHappy

Amateur Riders' races would be a good - and somewhat logical, if you think of it - arena to look in.
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 22:12
onlooker, I have found this horse called Quakeress who won in 2000 rated 16 at the time and followed up rated 22.



26Mar02       Sth 16St C6Hc 2K     7-7     13/14 (66L Broughtons Flush 8-9) 50/1     Jamie Mackay     24     *     *
No Video     21Mar02       Sth 12St C6Sl 2K     8-1     13/15 (34L Al's Alibi 9-5) 50/1     Ryan Moore     22     *     *
No Video     15Feb02       Wol 12St C6Cl 2K     8-4     7/7 (47+L Weet-A-Minute 9-0) 100/1     K Dalgleish     25     *     *
No Video     13Jul00       Wol 16St C6Hc 2K     7-10     PU/13 (Vincent 8-9) 6/1     Matthew Henry     33     *     *
No Video     05Jul00       Eps 12GS C5Hc 4K     7-3     10/12 (19½L Chater Flair 8-0) 33/1     K Dalgleish     38     *     *
No Video     09May00       Bri 12Fm C5Hc 2K     7-3     9/17 (17½L Two Socks 8-10) 10/1     Jamie Mackay     38     *     *
No Video     15Apr00       Wol 16St C6Hc 2K     7-3     2/9 (2L Pleasant Mount 9-13) 9/2     Jamie Mackay     28     *     *
No Video     07Apr00       Lin 13St C5Hc 2K     7-3     3/13 (8½L Another Monk 8-1) 20/1     Jamie Mackay     33     *     *
No Video     27Mar00       Sth 16St C6Hc 2K     7-3     5/16 (13L Time Can Tell 8-5) 6/1     Jamie Mackay     28     *     *
No Video     06Mar00       Sth 16St C6Hc 2K     7-12     4/14 (12½L Hetra Heights 8-12) 12/1     Franny Norton     30     *     *
No Video     24Feb00       Wol 16St C6Hc 1K     7-12     3/10 (3¼L Fearsome Factor 9-8) 6/1     Franny Norton     28     *     *
No Video     10Feb00       Wol 16St C6SlHc 1K     8-10     1/9 (hd Grooms Gold 9-1) 3/1     Franny Norton     22     *     *
No Video     05Feb00       Wol 15St C6Sl 1K     8-13     1/9 (2½L Neptune 8-13) et 25/1     Jamie Spencer     16     *     *
No Video     26Jan00       Lin 16St C6Sl 1K     8-6     4/10 (20L Another Monk 9-4) et 66/1     D Williamson     20     *     *
No Video     17Jan00       Sth
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 22:34
Well done - sparrow.

I gave Quakeress a rating of 33 - for winning that race CONDITIONS race

It fitted in perfectly with the runner-up on 31, and the over 9 lengths 3rd - which was a 19 rated horse.

Quakeress then carried a 6lb penalty - and thus WON off a 'TRUE' 22 - the 'Minimum 45' Rule was NOT in place then - in a Selling Handicap.

She beat the third by 2 lengths - who ran off 30 - and then that 3rd won off 30, and again off 33 - and was 2nd, albeit beaten 4 lengths, of 38 - so, somewhat retrospectively - you could just get the 33 for the Selling Handicap win - at a squeeze. Happy

I am sure there are others, though.
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 22:50
I completely forgot that horses were rated differently then, but a much better system for people like me that prefer low grade racing. I used to like the selling handicaps but not that banded stuff.
As you say, there must have been others.
By:
onlooker
When: 20 Sep 13 22:58
Perhaps the question, and answers,  should be in TWO categories.

Well - I am sure, for comparison purposes, it should.

1. 'Lowest ever' - as you originally posted.

2. 'Lowest since the Minimum 45 Rule was brought in'.
By:
sparrow
When: 20 Sep 13 23:09
Agreed onlooker, will have another look at this tomorrow.
By:
ekbalko
When: 20 Sep 13 23:38
Most of mine run like they have a rating of 12.
By:
kabcast
When: 20 Sep 13 23:49
About 7 years ago,both Ronnies Girl and Deer Park Lord both ran off rating of ONE.
By:
floozy
When: 21 Sep 13 07:17
MOJO was rated 1 as well. Have a look on RP.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 21 Sep 13 10:18
The other division of that selling handicap won by Quakeress at Wolves went to an 8-y-old maiden called The Cottonwool Kid, who ran off 20 that day - he was actually rated 15, but was 3lbs out of the handicap and the rider put up 2lbs overweight.

Regardless of ratings, those two races must qualify as the lowest quality divided race ever staged!
By:
mange
When: 21 Sep 13 10:23
The old "timeform" form book usted to make me smile where theyd tell you abt the family..........describe the horse ........& a 1 word summery..........."USELESS"


.....
By:
sparrow
When: 21 Sep 13 10:24
Maybe TheAnorak, but Quakeress did follow up by winning off a mark of 22 just 5 days later!
By:
onlooker
When: 21 Sep 13 19:36
mange     21 Sep 13 10:23 

The old "timeform" form book usted to make me smile where theyd tell you abt the family..........describe the horse ........& a 1 word summery..........."USELESS
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Yes, mange - the early 1950s Annuals

Got them all - and seen that more than a few times

Phil Bull, himself would write up many, or most, of those Thumbnails ...

My personal favourite is the, slightly more subtle ... 'of no account' Happy

They are too 'politically correct', nowadays  - to go anywhere near down that road -

- and some deluded owner would probably try and sue them, too.SadGrin
By:
onlooker
When: 25 Sep 13 12:56
We have a '15' running at Redcar this afternoon

No Prizes for guessing who trains it, though.
By:
Lairy Mary
When: 25 Sep 13 13:01
Rather higher rated I remember Madame Jones who was rated 32 when she started winning and won 12 races subsequently although to be fair she had won 3 races prior to her lowest mark.  Does it say something about the trainer who got her to 32 or the one who improved her to win 12?
By:
jollie
When: 25 Sep 13 13:25
We have a '15' running at Redcar this afternoon

No Prizes for guessing who trains it, though.


Jamie Oliver ?
By:
onlooker
When: 25 Sep 13 18:59
^ It beat three home Grin -

But was beaten 18 and a half lengths. Grin

I have it running to '20' today - without, whatever you may feel about the Apprentice 7lb claim, though.
By:
Dav_vin03
When: 29 Jan 14 22:40
It has just finished.
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 29 Jan 14 23:29
dav Laugh
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 30 Jan 14 00:17
Send em to one of Curley's pals.
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